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lockman21 06-23-2016 05:44 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 16482818)
This would be true if Jamie Benn were actually a freaking center idiot

:lol :lol

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16482846)
Second:
"The Oilers would love to move Nail Yakupov. The problem that they have is they can't get much more than a third-round draft pick."

Good job there Oilers.....

Interesting note. Guy I work with is good friends with one of the top scouts for Detroit. Apparently said that when the Oil drafted Yak, everyone was shocked for the simple reason that he'd likely still be there around pick 5 or 6. No one else wanted Yak until MAYBE Toronto at 5.

TMoore4075 06-23-2016 06:36 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16482914)
:lol :lol



Interesting note. Guy I work with is good friends with one of the top scouts for Detroit. Apparently said that when the Oil drafted Yak, everyone was shocked for the simple reason that he'd likely still be there around pick 5 or 6. No one else wanted Yak until MAYBE Toronto at 5.

That doesn't surprise me. Even that not withstanding, he was a stupid pick for them. Now it's like trading away the #1 pick for a future 3rd rounder. lol Come on Toronto, do it. Now that would be entertaining.

JRS1386 06-23-2016 11:36 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Flyers extend Gudas for four years. I dig it. He played solidly for the most part last year and the cap hit isn't too bad

barbogast 06-23-2016 11:57 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16483480)
Flyers extend Gudas for four years. I dig it. He played solidly for the most part last year and the cap hit isn't too bad

Nothing like locking up your goons long term

I kid, I actually think Gudas is very solid. However I learned I don't much care for him during the playoffs

kev87lads 06-24-2016 12:12 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16483513)
Nothing like locking up your goons long term

I kid, I actually think Gudas is very solid. However I learned I don't much care for him during the playoffs

You shut your mouth! Oh, wait. I mean. Barbs is clutch and knows his pucks.

A little long on term for me. But I think the dollars are about right for the market based on other mid to low bottom 3 d men.

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 07:18 AM

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Fowler rumors picking up along with Subban stuff but I'd be shocked if he gets moved. Also sounds like Stamkos will at least check out the market and Bishop is being shopped, not that it means he's gone but like Subban, you gotta listen.

Roose13 06-24-2016 10:11 AM

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Good deal on Gudas. He's not a goon, per se, but dude throws the body around and every team still needs that, especially in the corners and by the net on defense.

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 10:30 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Rumors of Ekblad getting a big deal worth $60mil for 8 years so 7.5 per. Can't sign until July 1st though.

Also TBL latest, and probably best/last, offer is 8 years at 8.5mil for Stamkos. That's $68mil. If Sabres are really willing to go 12mil...over 7 years that is $84mil. I would think Wings could go to 10.5 for 7 which is $73.5. Would be hard to turn down the Buffal offer if they are willing to go there.

~Crashintome89~ 06-24-2016 10:43 AM

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If Gudas fails miserably next season, he'll just be unprotected for the expansion draft.

barbogast 06-24-2016 10:43 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
If any of you morans end up in Camden this weekend, give your favorite Caps fan a shout

Lcsulla 06-24-2016 10:50 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 16483844)
Good deal on Gudas. He's not a goon, per se, but dude throws the body around and every team still needs that, especially in the corners and by the net on defense.

Was going to say almost the same thing about him not really being a goon, just a guy who will stick up for his teammates and is willing to block shots. Think they overpaid him a bit (he is a career minus guy who averages a point every 4+ games - sort of odd since he played on some solid TB teams that made the playoffs and a Cinderella Flyers team that made the playoffs) but in fairness the FA market is not exactly swimming with defensemen so I would be OK with this if I was a Flyer fan. He is young so I am guessing that Phillie is guessing he will mature a bit and take less penalties - which the Flyers really need because if they were not killing penalties almost the whole series against the Caps who knows what happens in the end.

Lcsulla 06-24-2016 11:03 AM

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I thought Bettman's statements regarding gambling in the NHL and how a Vegas team will effect it were absolutely disjointed and out of touch with the real world. He claims fans will not be gambling before and after games when out there ("we're not going to make it all that easy for you to pick up a ticket, a gambling ticket, on your way into the arena."), he claims that he is looking to come to an agreement outlawing betting on NHL games in casino's out there (even if he does their will be a black market for bookies) which will never fly in Vegas. The NHL is going to have to adapt for a team there because Vegas is not going to change it's culture on Bettman's say so - I think the man needs a reality check.

aeroshady 06-24-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16483900)
If any of you morans end up in Camden this weekend, give your favorite Caps fan a shout

I am debating heading down tonight. Depends on what time I can get out of work though. My buddy is in the Pit so I will probably just do lawn if I make it down there.

barbogast 06-24-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16483952)
I am debating heading down tonight. Depends on what time I can get out of work though. My buddy is in the Pit so I will probably just do lawn if I make it down there.

I'll be on the lawn too!

aeroshady 06-24-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16483960)
I'll be on the lawn too!

I will PM you if I am headed down. I should know in a few hours!

Lcsulla 06-24-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16483952)
I am debating heading down tonight. Depends on what time I can get out of work though. My buddy is in the Pit so I will probably just do lawn if I make it down there.

If you go just have your buddy stub you down. The DMB ticketing system was born to be exploited going way back to their first big tours in 1995 when you could just hand a guard ten bucks and he'd walk you down to the best unoccupied seats in the arena.

lockman21 06-24-2016 11:35 AM

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1) This is awesome - https://twitter.com/penguins/status/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw Why they ever went away from this look is beyond me. Those are so sexy.

2) Where are all the trades?! Let's go people! I wanna see some big names move!

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16484034)
1) This is awesome - https://twitter.com/penguins/status/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw Why they ever went away from this look is beyond me. Those are so sexy.

2) Where are all the trades?! Let's go people! I wanna see some big names move!

It'll happen closer to the draft tonight. Fowler, Bishop and Shattenkirk are big ones I keep reading about. Hope the Wings find some help on D tonight through a trade.

hailtopitt 06-24-2016 11:39 AM

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so does MAF get moved tonight? let's take bets

either tonight, before FA starts on July 1st, before the season starts, or on/before the deadline during the season

i don't think it's a matter of "if" anymore, but rather "when".

lockman21 06-24-2016 11:39 AM

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Looks like Vanek gonna get bought out, too.

lockman21 06-24-2016 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16484043)
so does MAF get moved tonight? let's take bets

either tonight, before FA starts on July 1st, before the season starts, or on/before the deadline during the season

i don't think it's a matter of "if" anymore, but rather "when".

I'm guessing it'll be sooner than later. If still on the roster, the closer they get to trade deadline day, the more desperate they'll be to move him for just about anything.

Negotiating power slowly slips away the longer they wait.

hailtopitt 06-24-2016 11:45 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16484048)
I'm guessing it'll be sooner than later. If still on the roster, the closer they get to trade deadline day, the more desperate they'll be to move him for just about anything.

Negotiating power slowly slips away the longer they wait.

i agree in principle, but honestly i feel like the league already knows the Penguins have to move him

GMJR said he wanted the 6th overall pick from Calgary should they move him and from what i hear, Calgary basically laughed at him

this feels weird after winning the Cup. just a weird situation...fuck i'm gonna miss Fleury

lockman21 06-24-2016 11:48 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Also - I don't have my finger on the pulse quite as much as I used to so I'm not sure if this is the popular opinion or not...

But I think having a team in Vegas was a brilliant move by the NHL.

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 11:49 AM

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If he's not moved by July 1, he's in PIT at the start of the season. Not too many teams need a starting goalie and there are plenty available. MAF, Bishop, Howard and maybe Elliott. I think it is a when but it's either in the next week or not until after next season. Goalies just aren't typically moved in season and if get all the way to the deadline with two, might as well hold onto both because you saw what happened this year. Insurance is nice. They'll get screwed the longer it takes but...it happens. There is also the possibility that if they can't move him by the expansion draft, they make a deal with Vegas to not take Murray in the draft and they protect MAF instead. Wings did it with Atlanta in 99.

fonzz41 06-24-2016 11:50 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16484034)
2) Where are all the trades?! Let's go people! I wanna see some big names move!

Yeah, c'mon GMs! I busted my ass this week at work just so I could take it easy, sitting and refreshing my Twitter feed all day.

hailtopitt 06-24-2016 11:51 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16484068)
If he's not moved by July 1, he's in PIT at the start of the season. Not too many teams need a starting goalie and there are plenty available. MAF, Bishop, Howard and maybe Elliott. I think it is a when but it's either in the next week or not until after next season. Goalies just aren't typically moved in season and if get all the way to the deadline with two, might as well hold onto both because you saw what happened this year. Insurance is nice. They'll get screwed the longer it takes but...it happens. There is also the possibility that if they can't move him by the expansion draft, they make a deal with Vegas to not take Murray in the draft and they protect MAF instead. Wings did it with Atlanta in 99.

i don't see anyway they could make that kind of a deal with Vegas

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 11:56 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16484075)
i don't see anyway they could make that kind of a deal with Vegas

why not? as I said, Wings did it in 99. You trade someone, or something, to them so they don't take Murray. Back in 99 certain UFA's would still get you a draft pick back if they signed elsewhere. Wings traded Ulf Samuelsson's rights to Atlanta so they wouldn't take someone the Wings left unprotected (I forget who). So Thrashers got an extra pick out of it and then took the Wings backup goalie. Not saying it happens but it is a possibility if it comes to that.

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 12:02 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16484067)
Also - I don't have my finger on the pulse quite as much as I used to so I'm not sure if this is the popular opinion or not...

But I think having a team in Vegas was a brilliant move by the NHL.

I'm with you on this. Does it work long term? We'll see. But I think both sides have really done a good job to try their best to make this work. Would prefer the Coyotes moving there instead of having a 31st team (as I've said before) but it is what it is. We knew it was coming.

TMoore4075 06-24-2016 12:05 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Reading the reports of Buffalo giving a huge deal, I wonder if that's where Stamkos ends up if he doesn't end up back in TBL. If they offer 12mil...how can you say no to that?

~Crashintome89~ 06-24-2016 12:10 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16484037)
Hope the Wings find some help on D tonight through a trade.

I also hope the Wings find help for their D too.


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