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Rebecca De Mornay 12-16-2014 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722005)
Wings should just give the Jackets the SO win.

:lol they kind of did.

I still don't know how Wiz missed the open net in OT anyways so it evened out.

TMoore4075 12-16-2014 11:21 PM

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A shutout and a loss for Jimmy Howard. Thats so much better than a tie.

dmbetc 12-16-2014 11:36 PM

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Kings just CAN NOT win on the road. Had an early 2-0 lead. 2-1 going into the 3rd and they gave up 3 goals in 2 1/2 minutes. Tarasenko with the EN for a hat trick to make it 5-2. Embarrassing.

Rematch Thursday at Staples.

barbogast 12-16-2014 11:44 PM

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20 round shootout between the Caps and Panthers just now. Not sure if that's the longest ever but both teams used two players twice.

dmbetc 12-16-2014 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15722062)
20 round shootout between the Caps and Panthers just now. Not sure if that's the longest ever but both teams used two players twice.

Saw a tweet that it was a record.

dmbetc 12-16-2014 11:46 PM

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Not sure if it's a record for rounds or for goals scored in a shootout though or both!

barbogast 12-16-2014 11:47 PM

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That Kimgs uniform is cringe worthy. As if the jersey wasn't bad enough, then they put white pants under it. Yikes.

barbogast 12-16-2014 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15722068)
Not sure if it's a record for rounds or for goals scored in a shootout though or both!

They scored 11 goals between the teams, honestly they might both be records

dmbetc 12-17-2014 02:36 AM

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This is cute.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...om-penalty-box

thechad90000 12-17-2014 04:54 AM

Rinne is just unbelievable.

barbogast 12-17-2014 09:20 AM

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That shootout from last night was just incredible. Just rewatched it again, never have I had so much fun watching a shootout. Matty Niskanen came oh so close to ending it in round 15, just barely clipped the crossbar. Both goalies did outstanding, though Luongo made a more impressive set of saves overall. Awesome to see guys like Karl Alzner and Willie Mitchell take a turn in a shootout. If you've got 10-15 minutes I suggest watching it, it was truly amazing.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 10:24 AM

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i think watching Brooks Orpik score in a shootout is about as close as we're going to come to seeing pigs fly

barbogast 12-17-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722358)
i think watching Brooks Orpik score in a shootout is about as close as we're going to come to seeing pigs fly

It was a sweet deke move as well. Where the hell did that come from.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15722375)
It was a sweet deke move as well. Where the hell did that come from.

<333 Brooks <333

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722358)
i think watching Brooks Orpik score in a shootout is about as close as we're going to come to seeing pigs fly

well, what about swine flu (flew)?







i'll show myself out.

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722019)
A shutout and a loss for Jimmy Howard. Thats so much better than a tie.

the main problem i had with it is it seemed like both teams really stepped off the gas pedal at the end of regulation and at the end of OT.

of course the wings got a little bit of a break by not having to take one last defensive zone faceoff in OT because the refs just let the clock expire.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722389)
the main problem i had with it is it seemed like both teams really stepped off the gas pedal at the end of regulation and at the end of OT.

of course the wings got a little bit of a break by not having to take one last defensive zone faceoff in OT because the refs just let the clock expire.

Wings just suck at SO. I think a lot of it is mental and then when you get bad breaks (Nyquist hitting the crossbar) it just creeps in that much more. Add in the fact that two of the games were against divisional opponents and the other (CBJ) in conference. Howard was fantastic, both goalies were really, and he gets a loss on his record because of the shootout. I still can't accept the argument that this is better than ties. I can't imagine any Wings fans who have left the last 3 games at JLA high-fiving saying "that's much better than a tie!"

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 11:21 AM

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i mean they would have left feeling that way if they had won.

i personally hate ties, i agree with what lockman said yesterday in that they just need to limit how often we get to a SO by changing OT rules.

I know it will never happen but I'd also much rather see an extra point awarded for a regulation or OT win, then there would be some urgency from the players not to go to a SO either.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 11:24 AM

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the thing that screws up the points system is that every game isn't worth the same amount of points (regulation=2pts; OT/SO=3pts)

i don't mind the system the way it is now, but my suggestion would be making every game equal in value

regulation win: 2 points
OT/SO win: 2 points
regulation loss: 0 points
OT/SO loss: 0 points

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722439)
the thing that screws up the points system is that every game isn't worth the same amount of points (regulation=2pts; OT/SO=3pts)

i don't mind the system the way it is now, but my suggestion would be making every game equal in value

regulation win: 2 points
OT/SO win: 2 points
regulation loss: 0 points
OT/SO loss: 0 points

why not...

regulation/OT win: 3 points
SO WIN: 2 points
regulation/OT loss: 0 points
SO loss: 1 point

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722445)
why not...

regulation/OT win: 3 points
SO WIN: 2 points
regulation/OT loss: 0 points
SO loss: 1 point

1. because i don't think you can separate OT from SO (more so that the NHL never will)

2. because i don't think teams should be rewarded at all for losing

your way is not a horrible way to do it though, just my .02

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 11:36 AM

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there's a pretty clear difference between losing playing actual hockey and losing in a SO.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722453)
there's a pretty clear difference between losing playing actual hockey and losing in a SO.

edit: nvm read it wrong


yea, maybe...

barbogast 12-17-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722445)
why not...

regulation/OT win: 3 points
SO WIN: 2 points
regulation/OT loss: 0 points
SO loss: 1 point

If they did this, we'd have to go back to teams having records like 43-28-6-5. I never liked the four column system.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722435)
i mean they would have left feeling that way if they had won.

i personally hate ties, i agree with what lockman said yesterday in that they just need to limit how often we get to a SO by changing OT rules.

I know it will never happen but I'd also much rather see an extra point awarded for a regulation or OT win, then there would be some urgency from the players not to go to a SO either.

yeah they would have been but I don't like games, meaning points in the standings, being decided that way and that's where you are right. yes they need to change something, and I have a feeling 3on3 will be coming. I mean based off the stats earlier when almost half the games that went to OT went to a shootout, and assuming that's still close, they have to do something.

All for the point system for 3 for OT and regulation, 2 for SO win, 1 for an OT or SO loss. The one that was being proposed at one time was 3 for regulation and 2 for OT or shootout and I didn't like that. Sorry an OT win should be worth more than a SO. Can't imagine watching the standings on like the last day and my teams wins in OT only to be leap frogged by a team won won a shootout. But you're right, they won't do it. They like it close.
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722439)
the thing that screws up the points system is that every game isn't worth the same amount of points (regulation=2pts; OT/SO=3pts)

i don't mind the system the way it is now, but my suggestion would be making every game equal in value

regulation win: 2 points
OT/SO win: 2 points
regulation loss: 0 points
OT/SO loss: 0 points

I still don't like that because you are taking points away from a team because they lost a skills competition. If we got rid of the SO I'd be more willing to go back to this. I mean this is what we had pre the 1999-2000. Back then though, teams would sit back so much worried about losing the point so we had ties a lot. Which lead us to where we are now.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722460)
I still don't like that because you are taking points away from a team because they lost a skills competition. If we got rid of the SO I'd be more willing to go back to this. I mean this is what we had pre the 1999-2000. Back then though, teams would sit back so much worried about losing the point so we had ties a lot. Which lead us to where we are now.

the bolded is happening already, though

might as well make every game worth the same amount of points if we're going to do that anyway

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722469)
the bolded is happening already, though

might as well make every game worth the same amount of points if we're going to do that anyway

Yes but you are taking 1 instead of 2, which can make a difference later in the year. Wings dominated the Leafs last week and at least got a point out of it. Leafs didn't deserve that extra point, let alone to get 2 while the Wings would have gotten 0 because they won a shootout. Again, get rid of the shootout and I would be ok with 0 points for a loss, but you shouldn't be gaining 2 points on your opponent because of a skills competition.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722484)
Yes but you are taking 1 instead of 2, which can make a difference later in the year. Wings dominated the Leafs last week and at least got a point out of it. Leafs didn't deserve that extra point, let alone to get 2 while the Wings would have gotten 0 because they won a shootout. Again, get rid of the shootout and I would be ok with 0 points for a loss, but you shouldn't be gaining 2 points on your opponent because of a skills competition.

but you aren't....there are 65 minutes of hockey before the shootout

win the game there if you want your points!

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722484)
Yes but you are taking 1 instead of 2, which can make a difference later in the year. Wings dominated the Leafs last week and at least got a point out of it. Leafs didn't deserve that extra point, let alone to get 2 while the Wings would have gotten 0 because they won a shootout. Again, get rid of the shootout and I would be ok with 0 points for a loss, but you shouldn't be gaining 2 points on your opponent because of a skills competition.

this is a little bit too picky IMO.
you can't create a system that always rewards the team that "deserves" it most, that's the beauty of sports.
If you follow that logic we should just look at Corsi numbers at the end of the game and reward points based on that.

Bron, you in here bro?

bradshaw06 12-17-2014 12:04 PM

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this mumps thing is getting bad for the pens. they're testing fleury, bortuzzo, and maatta now. the worst part? a bunch of these players went to a childrens hospital a week or so ago and may have infected these kids.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722486)
but you aren't....there are 65 minutes of hockey before the shootout

win the game there if you want your points!

Yeah that's it. I'm sure the Wings, Caps and Bruins just didn't want it enough last night.
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722487)
this is a little bit too picky IMO.
you can't create a system that always rewards the team that "deserves" it most, that's the beauty of sports.
If you follow that logic we should just look at Corsi numbers at the end of the game and reward points based on that.

Bron, you in here bro?

Yes but you know what I mean. But you and I are in agreement with how you TRULY fix it and that's the 3 points for ROW and 2 for a SO win and 1 for an OT/SO loss. That's how you fix it.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15722497)
this mumps thing is getting bad for the pens. they're testing fleury, bortuzzo, and maatta now. the worst part? a bunch of these players went to a childrens hospital a week or so ago and may have infected these kids.

It's getting pretty scary.

Rebecca De Mornay 12-17-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15722497)
this mumps thing is getting bad for the pens. they're testing fleury, bortuzzo, and maatta now. the worst part? a bunch of these players went to a childrens hospital a week or so ago and may have infected these kids.

jesus that would be horrible.

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722501)
Yes but you know what I mean. But you and I are in agreement with how you TRULY fix it and that's the 3 points for ROW and 2 for a SO win and 1 for an OT/SO loss. That's how you fix it.

ya totally agree with that.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15722504)
ya totally agree with that.

Sadly we'll have to deal with (most likely) 3on3, which is better than nothing because they'll never do the point system. Even if it only creates moderate separation of those last few playoff contenders, the NHL doesn't want that. They want the Las Vegas Black Nights to have a shot on the last day....ugh can't believe I said that.

bradshaw06 12-17-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722503)
It's getting pretty scary.

How the staff thought it was a good idea to let crosby be around after seeing his face, i'll never know. totally foolish.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15722515)
How the staff thought it was a good idea to let crosby be around after seeing his face, i'll never know. totally foolish.

The medical staff was getting shit last year too weren't they? And yeah totally agree. I mean he looked like a cartoon character after they get punched.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722501)
Yeah that's it. I'm sure the Wings, Caps and Bruins just didn't want it enough last night.

no, i'm just saying the shootout has been around for what, a decade now? same rules for every team. penguins practice the shootout after every practice for the last 6-7 years or so. once it's part of the game you have to adjust. i'm sure if the wings were dominant in the shootouts you might feel differently

i get that it's not "real hockey" and that a skills competition awards extra points. it sucks that it has to be that way, but honestly its a measure that limits injuries, is exciting for fans and eliminates ties. it's really not a bad system in place

bradshaw06 12-17-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722518)
The medical staff was getting shit last year too weren't they? And yeah totally agree. I mean he looked like a cartoon character after they get punched.

i think after sid had the broken neck/concussion the whole medical staff was let go. this staff doesnt seem much better.

TMoore4075 12-17-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722524)
no, i'm just saying the shootout has been around for what, a decade now? same rules for every team. penguins practice the shootout after every practice for the last 6-7 years or so. once it's part of the game you have to adjust. i'm sure if the wings were dominant in the shootouts you might feel differently

i get that it's not "real hockey" and that a skills competition awards extra points. it sucks that it has to be that way, but honestly its a measure that limits injuries, is exciting for fans and eliminates ties. it's really not a bad system in place

If the Wings dominated would I feel differently? I wouldn't be as pissy as I am now, but still wouldn't want shootouts. I've never wanted shootouts. Ties never bothered me. Last nights game between the Wings and Jackets was exactly where a tie is where it should have ended. Both teams over the entire game were pretty even and both goalies were amazing. Your argument about everyone has to deal with it and it's been around, can go the other way too. Ties were around forever so why get rid of them? Everyone had to deal with the foot in the crease rule but they realized it's faults, sadly not quick enough, and fixed it. I was at one of the first 4on4 OT games for the Wings and it was against the Stars. Was exciting, an amazing game, and I didn't leave upset that someone didn't win. I loved the game I was just at. Would I have rather the Wings lose in a SO or walk away with a tie that was exiting to watch against a conference opponent and the defending Cup champs? No. Shootouts have become more common placed than I think even the NHL originally had intended. Maybe they thought what you thought and thought the teams would go harder in regulation or OT to avoid it. The thing is, with 3 minutes to go, most teams will play it amazingly safe to salvage the point. That's where no matter what you do, teams will do the best for self preservation. Even if you got rid of points for an ot loss, I think teams would play it safe in the hopes they'd get lucky in a shootout rather than get cause in an odd-man rush late in OT.

They NHL could make it better overall with a different point system. It would be more equitable and maybe get teams to try and avoid the shootout. Doesn't hurt teams for trying to go for it either as they'd still get something out of it. Doesn't get rid of the shootouts for the fans that like that or think it's necessary.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 01:02 PM

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i guess where we really differ is that i hate ties, i'm glad they're gone

i guess i wouldn't hate 3v3 but adding more than an extra 5 mins on top of the 60 in regulation is where injuries start creeping up and fatigue starts bleeding into upcoming games for teams that have a long stretch of OTs

dmbetc 12-17-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722570)
i guess where we really differ is that i hate ties, i'm glad they're gone

i guess i wouldn't hate 3v3 but adding more than an extra 5 mins on top of the 60 in regulation is where injuries start creeping up and fatigue starts bleeding into upcoming games for teams that have a long stretch of OTs

Then find a way to win it in regulation. It's done in the playoffs, where fatigue and injuries are more detrimental to the team. I don't like ties and I don't mind shootouts, but would rather a 4v4, then a 5 min 3v3 type deal.

It could make for some long games..but (and I know comparing different sports to hockey is silly) baseball does it. They have long ass games and turn around and play the next day.

salrx95 12-17-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15722497)
this mumps thing is getting bad for the pens. they're testing fleury, bortuzzo, and maatta now. the worst part? a bunch of these players went to a childrens hospital a week or so ago and may have infected these kids.

That's the scary part. The kids who didn't get vaccinated were put into isolation.

The Islanders and 2 other teams cancelled their upcoming Christmas hospital visits as a precaution even though no islander even has a symptom.

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15722651)
Then find a way to win it in regulation. It's done in the playoffs, where fatigue and injuries are more detrimental to the team. I don't like ties and I don't mind shootouts, but would rather a 4v4, then a 5 min 3v3 type deal.

It could make for some long games..but (and I know comparing different sports to hockey is silly) baseball does it. They have long ass games and turn around and play the next day.

in principle, i agree, find a way to win in regulation

i'm just saying that i don't mind the shootout, i only wish all games were worth the same amount of points. that skews the point totals more than the shootout itself IMO

and sure, baseball does it, but the wear & tear of baseball is basically nothing compared to hockey games (except for maybe catcher)

jrkarger 12-17-2014 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15722562)
They NHL could make it better overall with a different point system.

How would you change the point system?

unccrombie 12-17-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722703)
in principle, i agree, find a way to win in regulation

i'm just saying that i don't mind the shootout, i only wish all games were worth the same amount of points. that skews the point totals more than the shootout itself IMO

and sure, baseball does it, but the wear & tear of baseball is basically nothing compared to hockey games (except for maybe catcher)

so you're saying to get rid of the 1pt system?

hailtopitt 12-17-2014 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 15722842)
so you're saying to get rid of the 1pt system?

in basic terms, yes

unccrombie 12-17-2014 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722853)
in basic terms, yes

I think the mentality of "all or nothing" when a shootout determination is in play kind of sucks. if you were to lose in the 3v3/4v4 section of OT then I'm in agreement you should get 0 pts.

jrkarger 12-17-2014 04:43 PM

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The point for an OTL was introduced in order to eliminate any incentive to play for a tie. The old points system was 2 points for a win and one point for a tie. Teams would just skate around in OT and not do anything and play for the point rather risk losing a point.

Now, the criticism is too many SOs. Eliminating the OTL point would in a similar way eliminate the incentive to play through OT and get to the SO. IMO, if, as you said, teams wouldn't want to risk losing two points in a SO, they'd play not to get to the SO; i.e. win in OT or regulation.

~Crashintome89~ 12-17-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15722497)
this mumps thing is getting bad for the pens. they're testing fleury, bortuzzo, and maatta now. the worst part? a bunch of these players went to a childrens hospital a week or so ago and may have infected these kids.

what a bunch of assholes

TMoore4075 12-18-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15722570)
i guess where we really differ is that i hate ties, i'm glad they're gone

i guess i wouldn't hate 3v3 but adding more than an extra 5 mins on top of the 60 in regulation is where injuries start creeping up and fatigue starts bleeding into upcoming games for teams that have a long stretch of OTs

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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15722651)
Then find a way to win it in regulation. It's done in the playoffs, where fatigue and injuries are more detrimental to the team. I don't like ties and I don't mind shootouts, but would rather a 4v4, then a 5 min 3v3 type deal.

It could make for some long games..but (and I know comparing different sports to hockey is silly) baseball does it. They have long ass games and turn around and play the next day.

When went into the 04-05 lockout, we all knew the shootout was coming after it and I remember thinking just try for a few years 10 minutes of 4on4. It wouldn't add much more time than a shootout, especially that fucking 20 rounder the other night, and we could see how it goes. I never felt 5 minutes was long enough. Was better 4on4 than 5on5 but with the time between period 3 and OT it felt like they the start of a period and at 4 minutes just started to get their legs moving again.

They won't go indefinite and I don't blame them. Injuries aside, it could go forever and fans won't want to stay for game 15 of 82 until 1am. A lot of fans don't stay for the baseball games that go late.
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Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 15722789)
How would you change the point system?

We talked about it earlier yesterday. 3 points for a regulation or OT win. 2 points for a SO win and 1 point for an OT or SO loss. It should push you to win playing real hockey and it also makes winning a hockey, game playing hockey, worth more. Now it only matters if you are tied in points, if you have more ROW's. League won't do this, because the current way helps to keep teams closer in the standings for those late game in Apirl. BUT I remember reading an article somewhere that it really woudln't separate them that much, so you'd still have the close standings later in the year. Maybe not quite as close but late games would still mean something. But at least winning a game without a shootout would be worth more.
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Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 15722878)
The point for an OTL was introduced in order to eliminate any incentive to play for a tie. The old points system was 2 points for a win and one point for a tie. Teams would just skate around in OT and not do anything and play for the point rather risk losing a point.

Now, the criticism is too many SOs. Eliminating the OTL point would in a similar way eliminate the incentive to play through OT and get to the SO. IMO, if, as you said, teams wouldn't want to risk losing two points in a SO, they'd play not to get to the SO; i.e. win in OT or regulation.

To your first part, yes. OT used to suck real bad. I don't fault the teams for this, you didn't want to lose those points.

To your second part, in theory it might but when it didn't, you are making a SO worth as much as a regulation win. That's my biggest problem. I hate the shootouts and didn't mind ties, but I understand shootouts are here to stay. So if that's the case, make ROW's worth more.

BUT as we all know, that won't happen and getting rid of the 1 point for OT/SO loss, won't either. We'll have probably 4 minutes of 4on4 and 4 minutes of 3on3 I think is what they've said. I think it should be 5 and 5 but that's neither here nor there.

jrkarger 12-18-2014 10:47 AM

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The 3-2-1 system is a fair compromise. I still don't like it because you are giving points to a loser. That's worse than premiere league or world cup soccer IMO; and I like EPL, UCL, and WC. Yes, it makes a regulation worth more but it will still skew the OT games in the same way it is now.

Say you are in a points race and with another team. You win in OT or SO and get two points. The other team on the same night loses in OT or SO and closes the gap on you by a point. That's a problem IMO. The incentive to "get to the SO" is still there.

I guess no system aside from the playoff system of OT is perfect. But, we all agree that can't work over an 82 game season. I don't like ties from a fan's perspective unless your team gets the tying goal in the closing moments; then it's ok and feels like a win (sort of). Anyway, I totally understand why the NHL instituted the SO and I still think its a tool to enhance appeal rather than not.

For the record, I think 3v3 hockey is absolute circus like lunacy. Would actually prefer ties.

hailtopitt 12-18-2014 10:49 AM

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yea 3v3 is sooooo gimmicky

but so is the shootout so who knows

Rebecca De Mornay 12-18-2014 11:20 AM

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anyone want to go to the CBJ/Caps game with me tonight? have 2 extra tickets.

~Crashintome89~ 12-18-2014 11:38 AM

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three on three would be amazing. I'm pretty sure they would end within three minutes at the NHL level.

TMoore4075 12-18-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 15723850)
The 3-2-1 system is a fair compromise. I still don't like it because you are giving points to a loser. That's worse than premiere league or world cup soccer IMO; and I like EPL, UCL, and WC. Yes, it makes a regulation worth more but it will still skew the OT games in the same way it is now.

Say you are in a points race and with another team. You win in OT or SO and get two points. The other team on the same night loses in OT or SO and closes the gap on you by a point. That's a problem IMO. The incentive to "get to the SO" is still there.

I guess no system aside from the playoff system of OT is perfect. But, we all agree that can't work over an 82 game season. I don't like ties from a fan's perspective unless your team gets the tying goal in the closing moments; then it's ok and feels like a win (sort of). Anyway, I totally understand why the NHL instituted the SO and I still think its a tool to enhance appeal rather than not.

For the record, I think 3v3 hockey is absolute circus like lunacy. Would actually prefer ties.

You are right, it still sort of gives you an incentive to get to a shootout. The one idea, not from here, was 3 points for regulation but 2 for OT/SO win and I didn't like that at all. Sorry, OT win should not be worth as much as a SO. So it still does incentify SO but you can argue it pushes to win in OT if you are playing a team that you are fighting for positioning with. There is no perfect system except for endless OT which doesn't work in the season. Plus I like the fact we have to wait for the awesomeness that is continuous OT in the playoffs.

As stated, was never against ties. I looked at it as part of the game and didn't like the idea of shootouts, it's not a damn tournament, so I didn't care. Would rather leave with a tie rather than a SO loss.

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15724024)
three on three would be amazing. I'm pretty sure they would end within three minutes at the NHL level.

I'm for 3on3 if it helps end shootouts. If the AHL trial is still the same % as early in the season, it had cut them down quite a bit. Gimmicky? Yes but yes so is the SO.

It could be fun and crazy but it's still hockey...well more-so then a SO. Plus there would be strategy to it. Do you put out two D and a forward? Or do you go 2 forwards and one D to try and get more offense?
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15723955)
anyone want to go to the CBJ/Caps game with me tonight? have 2 extra tickets.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow, I'd consider it. Could be there in 3 hours.

TMoore4075 12-18-2014 02:22 PM

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With the Wings sucking so bad in the shootouts there was actually an article about the 3on3 and what the stats are in games.

"14.66 percent of all games through Wednesday have been decided in a shootout, compared to 14.47 percent in 2013-14.

In the AHL, only 5.6 percent of all games have been decided in a shootout. That's because the league expanded OT to seven minutes, including up to four minutes of three-on-three play. They play four-on-four until the first stoppage after three minutes and then go to three-on-three."

The article doesn't give stats for how many games that went to OT are decided in OT compared to going to a SO but does give the AHL stats for this year compared to last. 75% of the games that go to OT have been decided in OT compared to 35% last year. Sounds positive to me.

fonzz41 12-18-2014 03:46 PM

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I love that Neal got fined for diving. $2k is nothing for him, but the publicity around it probably makes him feel a bit bashful.

hailtopitt 12-18-2014 03:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15724503)
I love that Neal got fined for diving. $2k is nothing for him, but the publicity around it probably makes him feel a bit bashful.

pens v avs tonight dude!

can't wait to see Mckinnon in person

fonzz41 12-18-2014 03:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15724509)
pens v avs tonight dude!

can't wait to see Mckinnon in person

If you could slap him upside the head for me, that would be great.

Not too hard. Just jar him a little.

hailtopitt 12-18-2014 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15724518)
If you could slap him upside the head for me, that would be great.

Not too hard. Just jar him a little.

no way i'm getting that close to the ice

don't want the mumps

TMoore4075 12-18-2014 05:18 PM

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Saw this and just wanted to post it:

@NHLhistorygirl
On this date in 1983, #Oilers Wayne Gretzky scored his 100th point of the #NHL season.

Amazing.

lockman21 12-18-2014 05:26 PM

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Viktor Stahlberg placed on waivers today by the Preds.

Remember when a certain someone in this thread was trashing Q because Stalberg was a healthy scratch in the playoffs?

TMoore4075 12-18-2014 05:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15724749)
Viktor Stahlberg placed on waivers today by the Preds.

Remember when a certain someone in this thread was trashing Q because Stalberg was a healthy scratch in the playoffs?

Fucking Matty. :D

fonzz41 12-18-2014 11:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15724781)
Fucking Matty. :D

Yes please.

dmbetc 12-19-2014 04:00 AM

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What a game tonight. I'll never get tired of watching Blues vs Kings. Was 3-0 Blues. Kings won 6-4. 11th straight home win against the Blues (including playoffs) AND (this ones the best) in the last two games at Staples, Brodeur has let in TWELEVE goals. What a fun game. These teams hate each other.

Watch the highlights from the game, you won't be disappointed!

aeroshady 12-19-2014 11:33 AM

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^ I'm disappointed every time the Kings win :p

Home and home with Carolina could really put the Rangers in good shape!

Hope they keep it going.

Rebecca De Mornay 12-19-2014 11:34 AM

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crazy game last night.

washington dominated in the 1st.
cbj dominated in the 2nd which was a blood bath with at least 4 fights.
cbj blew two leads in the 3rd and then lost in OT.

fun game to be at tho.

i really hope they don't end up moving CBJ back to the west, they are really starting to get some good rivalries with NYR, Washington, PIT, Boston etc. the atmosphere around the club is totally different.

aeroshady 12-19-2014 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15725340)
crazy game last night.

washington dominated in the 1st.
cbj dominated in the 2nd which was a blood bath with at least 4 fights.
cbj blew two leads in the 3rd and then lost in OT.

fun game to be at tho.

i really hope they don't end up moving CBJ back to the west, they are really starting to get some good rivalries with NYR, Washington, PIT, Boston etc. the atmosphere around the club is totally different.

We have a rivalry with Columbus?? News to us!

That said, I convinced a friend of mine to become a Blue Jackets fan last night! He bought a hat on Amazon right after lol.

Rebecca De Mornay 12-19-2014 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15725349)
We have a rivalry with Columbus?? News to us!

That said, I convinced a friend of mine to become a Blue Jackets fan last night! He bought a hat on Amazon right after lol.

:lol nice!

you don't think there's a rivalry? with all of the guys that have been traded between the two teams? nash punching Bob last year?

hailtopitt 12-19-2014 11:40 AM

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CBJ & rivalry in the same sentence :lol

i've seen it all!

Rebecca De Mornay 12-19-2014 11:50 AM

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when did penguins fans start acting like they're from boston?

hailtopitt 12-19-2014 11:56 AM

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don't be rattled dude, it's not attractive AT ALL

TMoore4075 12-19-2014 12:00 PM

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Sometimes fans of one team see a rivalry where the other side doesn't. Hawks fans used to think Detroit and Chicago was still a huge rivalry pre-2009, while Wings fans were like "where did the Hawks finish last year? Oh 50 points behind the Wings? Oh ok."

fonzz41 12-19-2014 12:37 PM

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Well, according to NBC Sports, if two teams have ever even taken a penalty against one another they qualify as a rivalry.

TMoore4075 12-19-2014 08:46 PM

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Waiting for a shootout loss tonight.

salrx95 12-19-2014 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15725919)
Waiting for a shootout loss tonight.

Nah, we saved you time and won it in regulation. Hope Howard is ok. He is my #1 G in fantasy.

Dats and Zetterberg are still amazing with the puck. They still gots the skillz. It's amazing we kept them off the scoresheet.

Big win!!

Then again. It was expected as we have now won 5 straight in Detroit.

kev87lads 12-20-2014 10:08 AM

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Did anyone else see this shenanigans!?!?!?! I don't know ifthis makes me like the Pens a tiny bit or hate them more?!?!?!?!?!?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...holiday-video/

Roose13 12-20-2014 03:10 PM

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OMG :lol:lol

lockman21 12-20-2014 04:00 PM

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Well Calgary is sure as hell is redefining "crash and burn".

salrx95 12-20-2014 10:28 PM

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God, I love this team.

fonzz41 12-21-2014 03:50 AM

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Willie Mitchell takes a swing at Letang with Letang's own helmet. :lol

Whoops, sorry for laughing, Bron.

barbogast 12-21-2014 09:49 AM

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Caps played their best game of the year last night. Made the Devils look like a pee wee team. And Ovie's goal. Wow.

aeroshady 12-21-2014 11:13 AM

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NY Rangers are the hottest team in east with 5 straight win and tied for the hottest team in hockey! Finding ways to win games! Hope they keep it going and sweep this home and home with Carolina at MSG tonight!!

JRS1386 12-21-2014 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15726630)
NY Rangers are the hottest team in east with 5 straight win and tied for the hottest team in hockey! Finding ways to win games! Hope they keep it going and sweep this home and home with Carolina at MSG tonight!!

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/H...FscSaBdcAm.jpg

aeroshady 12-21-2014 12:48 PM

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He is so handsome.

kev87lads 12-21-2014 09:13 PM

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Anyone watch the road to winter classic episode one? I just started it. Hoping not a complete waste.

lockman21 12-21-2014 10:05 PM

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I did, I loved it. Obviously I'm biased, but the on ice talk made it worth it alone. Looking forward to watching it develop. I think both teams are more interesting than the past couple years teams.

lockman21 12-21-2014 10:53 PM

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Sad day for the Blackhawks organization. Good showing the team and organization put on for Clint Reif.

kev87lads 12-22-2014 12:50 AM

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Flyers win two in a row. Hell of a comeback in Peg tonight.

fonzz41 12-22-2014 01:07 AM

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MacKinnon's mitts... gotta go change my pants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_joSy2oaBEM

Also Timmy, was it Tatar that blocked that shot in OT? Huge boner after that one.

dmbetc 12-22-2014 01:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15727243)
MacKinnon's mitts... gotta go change my pants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_joSy2oaBEM

Also Timmy, was it Tatar that blocked that shot in OT? Huge boner after that one.

Just saw that and came to post about it. :hump

lockman21 12-22-2014 01:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15727243)
MacKinnon's mitts... gotta go change my pants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_joSy2oaBEM

Also Timmy, was it Tatar that blocked that shot in OT? Huge boner after that one.

Clearly he saw my moves on my penalty shot attempt last week. It was a decent attempt to copy me, I guess. Maybe with more practice he'll get it right next time.

lockman21 12-22-2014 01:49 AM

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So just a brief moment here to talk about the Hawks assistant equipment manager, Clint. I only had brief interactions with him a couple times at Johnny's Ice House, but from guys that worked there that I talked to, he was a really great guy.

For those that don't know, he shockingly passed away last night. The organization isn't releasing details as to how, but it definitely caught everyone by surprise. He was with the team in Columbus and on the plane back to Chicago with them after that game.

Here's a little clip on Clint that was on the news in Indiana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gT2Z_OpAY0

Here's a picture of him with the Cup after the 2013 win:

https://twitter.com/keeperofthecup/s...19530086817792

And yes, those are his 4 kids and his wife.

If you guys have the chance, check out some of the highlights from tonight. The UC held a moment of silence for him that was hauntingly quiet. Like all hockey families, the Hawks are an extremely tight knit group, and you could see it in their faces during the pre and post game interviews (especially Q) that this hit them really hard. I can't imagine going out and playing a game after someone you were close to had just died. WGN showed the head equipment manager as the game had just ended, and he was already crying.

Tough, tough day for those guys, for sure. Just goes to show you how hockey really just brings people together.

salrx95 12-22-2014 07:14 AM

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Sad news about that Hawks equipment guy. His family is so young. :(

Guess I can't complain as it is small beans that I had the 2nd most points in my fantasy league, had a 1.49 gaa and 2 SO and Lost the week 7-4. Grrrr!!

Bron Yr Aur 12-22-2014 10:00 AM

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Awful awful news. Someone so young and with a family with young kids. Gutwrenching to hear about this news.

hailtopitt 12-22-2014 10:03 AM

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so willie mitchell....

aeroshady 12-22-2014 10:05 AM

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NY Rangers officially the hottest team in the NHL with their 6th in a row last night!! The boys in blue share third in the division with two games at hand over the Caps! Big game tomorrow night between the two!

fonzz41 12-22-2014 12:03 PM

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Thanks for sharing those links, Chris, so I could get some better context around just what kind of man he was. Terrible.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 15727340)
Awful awful news. Someone so young and with a family with young kids. Gutwrenching to hear about this news.

Well said. Absolutely broke my heart.

barbogast 12-22-2014 01:05 PM

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Wow, how sad about the Hawks equipment guy. Tough to click that link and see how young his family is. I wonder what happened. Not that it's any of my business, but it is strange there are no details as to what exactly happened.

lockman21 12-23-2014 03:07 AM

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It's amazing to me that Columbus is 8-1-1 in their last 10, and yet they still find themselves behind 3 very average teams and 1 good/not great but vastly underachieving team.


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