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UCFish 04-14-2014 03:11 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Yeah getting excited

Rebecca De Mornay 04-14-2014 03:16 PM

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2 years is a long time to wait between playoff appearances?

Tiduwho 04-14-2014 03:17 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Blues were JK'ing up til now.

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 03:17 PM

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While I was disappointed having to wait until Friday, also gives me two days of just watching everyone else.

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 03:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15257251)
2 years is a long time to wait between playoff appearances?

5 years is a long time to wait between...Finals appearances.

kev87lads 04-14-2014 03:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
^ You shut your mouth Timmy.

aeroshady 04-14-2014 03:37 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Getting very excited for these playoffs!! Rangers Flyers! Can't ask for more than that!

lockman21 04-14-2014 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15257193)
Best time of year. LOVE the first round because you never have any idea what's gonna happen. Plus, hockey on every freaking night (a few times a night) for 2 weeks. Fuck the NBA. The unpredictability is what helps make this great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15257180)
guys, I am so so so excited. This is my favorite time of year

Seriously. Even teams I hate have exciting games that I love watching, just as a hockey fan. I mean, fuck the Blues, but remember this gem?

http://video.blues.nhl.com/videocent...12030181-825-h

Or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA60SNNfws

Playoff hockey is the absolute greatest thing ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15257170)
Forgot how good Howard was in that series, especially in game 4. He'll need to do that again if they want any chance at beating the Bruins.

He was unreal. That's all it takes sometimes. The inability to figure out a goaltender and boom, all the sudden you're eliminated.

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 04:01 PM

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I remember being up for the Steen goal and was flipping between the Wings/Ducks and that one, thinking the Blues were gonna lose cause of that penalty, and as soon as I come back, bam it's over...to the team I didn't think. I mean how many times are OT winners shorthanded?

berman1125 04-14-2014 04:05 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Heading into Boston on Friday with my wings jersey on

thechad90000 04-14-2014 04:21 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Gonna miss Trotz but it was time for a change. Wish him luck wherever he goes.

fonzz41 04-14-2014 04:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thechad90000 (Post 15257434)
Gonna miss Trotz but it was time for a change. Wish him luck wherever he goes.

:thumbsup As our resident Preds insider, is the Nashville fan base generally of this opinion?

HallowBillies7 04-14-2014 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15257257)
While I was disappointed having to wait until Friday, also gives me two days of just watching everyone else.


That's my plan. Plus the wait helps with some of the injured. Bruins haven't met with the Red Wings since 1957. This series is going to be a beauty.

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 04:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HallowBillies7 (Post 15257493)
That's my plan. Plus the wait helps with some of the injured. Bruins haven't met with the Red Wings since 1957. This series is going to be a beauty.

I'm all about guys getting healthy. Zetterberg going to practice tomorrow. Still no time table on his return though.

HallowBillies7 04-14-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15257499)
I'm all about guys getting healthy. Zetterberg going to practice tomorrow. Still no time table on his return though.


I really want both teams to be healthy. I was hoping we'd meet later in the playoffs because I respect the hell out of the Wings. This might come down to which goalie will crack first, I just can't wait!

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HallowBillies7 (Post 15257517)
I really want both teams to be healthy. I was hoping we'd meet later in the playoffs because I respect the hell out of the Wings. This might come down to which goalie will crack first, I just can't wait!

Absolutely. These should be 2-1 or 3-2 games. One fluke goal could flip the series from a Wings win to a Bruins win or the other way around. If it's anything like that game a few weeks ago, it should be fun. Also could put me in the hospital for what it would do to my heart, but whatever.

lockman21 04-14-2014 05:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thechad90000 (Post 15257434)
Gonna miss Trotz but it was time for a change. Wish him luck wherever he goes.

http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=714641

Isn't he staying in the organization?

fonzz41 04-14-2014 05:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15257580)
http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=714641

Isn't he staying in the organization?

Sounds like a great fit for both parties... until he gets the gig in Toronto or Vancouver.

bonzo48280 04-14-2014 05:02 PM

I'm sure he's staying with them for now, until another team offers him a job

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 05:14 PM

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Yeah I can't imagine him actually staying there too long.

jackisback24 04-14-2014 05:18 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Will be there Easter Sunday. I have my Original 6 sweatshirt that I'll be sporting. Pretty classy for Easter Sunday.

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 05:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackisback24 (Post 15257653)
Will be there Easter Sunday. I have my Original 6 sweatshirt that I'll be sporting. Pretty classy for Easter Sunday.

Forgot it was Easter. Hope I don't have to go up to my wife's family thing. They might have the game on but no one there knows hockey like me and I hate when people chime in with shit.

fonzz41 04-14-2014 05:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15257708)
Forgot it was Easter. Hope I don't have to go up to my wife's family thing. They might have the game on but no one there knows hockey like me and I hate when people chime in with shit.

Like I told someone else in this thread not long ago, divorce is always an option.

thechad90000 04-14-2014 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15257489)
:thumbsup As our resident Preds insider, is the Nashville fan base generally of this opinion?

Pretty much. Most people respect the hell out of him but realized that it's time for a change. I'm sensing very little ill will towards him, but a few people are upset that it was him and not Poile that got the ax.

thechad90000 04-14-2014 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15257580)
http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=714641

Isn't he staying in the organization?

He's received an offer to stay with the organization but I'd say he'll probably go somewhere else.

lockman21 04-14-2014 06:56 PM

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I'm trying to think of where Trotz might succeed...Winnipeg maybe?

TMoore4075 04-14-2014 07:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15257837)
I'm trying to think of where Trotz might succeed...Winnipeg maybe?

I don't know if Maurice is going anywhere. He got the team to be competitive. Trotz would be a good fit there however.

barbogast 04-15-2014 07:42 AM

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In non playoff news, Torts managed to pull one more good one during his time as Canucks head coach. This time he called a reporter an asshole

http://extramustard.si.com/2014/04/1...-so-nice-name/

barbogast 04-15-2014 07:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15257837)
I'm trying to think of where Trotz might succeed...Winnipeg maybe?

I actually think Washington might be an interesting fit. Not sure if anyone will really WANT to coach there though

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15258728)
I actually think Washington might be an interesting fit. Not sure if anyone will really WANT to coach there though

Ovie would HATE playing in Trotz-ville... it would be awesome. :lol

Rebecca De Mornay 04-15-2014 11:05 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
is there any chance Ovechkin gets moved this offseason?

who takes him? someone desperate to put fans in the seats? Florida?

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 11:09 AM

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It would cost a fortune (in assets) to get him. With the possible lure of the KHL, I can't imagine anyone risking it.

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15258960)
is there any chance Ovechkin gets moved this offseason?

who takes him? someone desperate to put fans in the seats? Florida?

I think it would take an awful lot to get Caps management to even consider trading him. With his electrifying offense and goofy demeanor, he's every owner and markerter's dream. It's unfortunate, because from a hockey sense he's becoming more of a cancer than anything.

I bet just about every team would at least kick the tires on him if he became available. Ideally, he would go to a team that wouldn't rely on him for leadership.

I will throw this out there, knowing it will cause our Pens fans to gag probably... but can you imagine Crosby and Ovie playing on the same team? I know they are two alpha males and chances are just as good they will butt heads... but imagine if they found some chemistry playing together... JUST A THOUGHT.

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15258969)
It would cost a fortune (in assets) to get him. With the possible lure of the KHL, I can't imagine anyone risking it.

Yeah. McPhee could basically ask for anything he wanted, knowing he could use the "I've got 28 other teams on hold right now waiting for me to get off this call" line with every team.

Rebecca De Mornay 04-15-2014 11:18 AM

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McPhee could trade him to Nashville for Flip Forsberg. That guy is a can't miss prospect.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 11:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15258973)
I think it would take an awful lot to get Caps management to even consider trading him. With his electrifying offense and goofy demeanor, he's every owner and markerter's dream. It's unfortunate, because from a hockey sense he's becoming more of a cancer than anything.

I bet just about every team would at least kick the tires on him if he became available. Ideally, he would go to a team that wouldn't rely on him for leadership.

I will throw this out there, knowing it will cause our Pens fans to gag probably... but can you imagine Crosby and Ovie playing on the same team? I know they are two alpha males and chances are just as good they will butt heads... but imagine if they found some chemistry playing together... JUST A THOUGHT.

it would be more likely that ovie would play with malkin

of course this will never happen, but thinking out loud, that would make the most sense

also, imagine a top powerplay of:

Crosby below the goal line
Malkin right side half-wall
Ovie left side half wall
James Neal in the slot
Paul Martin/Kris Letang at the point

would be frightening

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 11:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15258973)
I think it would take an awful lot to get Caps management to even consider trading him. With his electrifying offense and goofy demeanor, he's every owner and markerter's dream. It's unfortunate, because from a hockey sense he's becoming more of a cancer than anything.

I bet just about every team would at least kick the tires on him if he became available. Ideally, he would go to a team that wouldn't rely on him for leadership.

I will throw this out there, knowing it will cause our Pens fans to gag probably... but can you imagine Crosby and Ovie playing on the same team? I know they are two alpha males and chances are just as good they will butt heads... but imagine if they found some chemistry playing together... JUST A THOUGHT.

Yeah for how much we dog him, most teams would still want him. He's still a 50+ goal scorer. He'd need the right environment. Pens maybe, could also see the Wings because of the structure and leadership. Him with Babs and Dastyuk might work. There are only a few teams where I could see him being able to be a better player. Like you said you'd need strong leadership with the team both from the coach and the players.

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15258996)
it would be more likely that ovie would play with malkin

of course this will never happen, but thinking out loud, that would make the most sense

also, imagine a top powerplay of:

Crosby below the goal line
Malkin right side half-wall
Ovie left side half wall
James Neal in the slot
Paul Martin/Kris Letang at the point

would be frightening

I considered the Malkin/Ovie duo as well. Makes sense from a couple perspectives, not the least of which is the communication. They could be telepathically brilliant and perfect together, no doubt. But I don't know, I can just see Crosby and Ovie really hitting it off. They play with a lot of fire (well, Ovie does in the offensive zone:lol), and I can just see that working out.

Hell, someone like Malkin would probably have to be part of the deal going back to Washington. :lol

rustysurf83 04-15-2014 11:29 AM

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Going to be a lot of Hawks fans in StL, 35% of ticket sales are originating from the Chicago area.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259011)
I considered the Malkin/Ovie duo as well. Makes sense from a couple perspectives, not the least of which is the communication. They could be telepathically brilliant and perfect together, no doubt. But I don't know, I can just see Crosby and Ovie really hitting it off. They play with a lot of fire (well, Ovie does in the offensive zone:lol), and I can just see that working out.

Hell, someone like Malkin would probably have to be part of the deal going back to Washington. :lol

yea definitely

maybe the pens could get some bottom 6 players in return, that's what they really need :lol

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15259004)
Yeah for how much we dog him, most teams would still want him. He's still a 50+ goal scorer. He'd need the right environment. Pens maybe, could also see the Wings because of the structure and leadership. Him with Babs and Dastyuk might work. There are only a few teams where I could see him being able to be a better player. Like you said you'd need strong leadership with the team both from the coach and the players.

If anyone could straighten him out, it would be Mike effing Babcock. I agree that playing with disciplined, willing-to-do-whatever stars like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall would be beneficial. The idea of Dats and Ovie on a 2-on-1 scares me shitless.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 11:34 AM

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babcock is good, but not that good

sometimes, and i know this is a sterotype, those russian players just do their own thing, no matter the coach

sure, you have guys like datsyuk that are model players, but they are few and far between

malkin and ovie are more the norm, great talent but hot headed

wampa3 04-15-2014 11:39 AM

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Flyers sign MacDonald for 6 years, $30 mil. Jesus

And in other news, Matt Niskanen is going to be very rich in the coming months.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 11:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15259040)
Flyers sign MacDonald for 6 years, $30 mil. Jesus

And in other news, Matt Niskanen is going to be very rich in the coming months.

yep, and good for him

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15259025)
babcock is good, but not that good

sometimes, and i know this is a sterotype, those russian players just do their own thing, no matter the coach

sure, you have guys like datsyuk that are model players, but they are few and far between

malkin and ovie are more the norm, great talent but hot headed

:lol Very true, my friend. Very true. And yes, the stigma on Russian players is just as you described.

But after what I've seen Babcock do (going clear back to Anaheim), I can't deny the wonders that guy can work. That was only reinforced to me by the way he handled the offensive-heavy Canadian olympic team. Canadians are not Russians (thankfully), but the point was well taken that he can sell the system to the biggest of stars.

fonzz41 04-15-2014 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15259040)
Flyers sign MacDonald for 6 years, $30 mil. Jesus

And in other news, Matt Niskanen is going to be very rich in the coming months.

WOW. I like the kid, but I would never have guessed that. Seems like the ol' 3 years, $9 million is the going rate for a guy in his situation.

Good for him, though. This was the argument I made a few years ago with the Kovy/Devils signing, but if teams are throwing crazy money and term at you, take it while you can.

EDIT: Agree with hailtopitt, re: Niskanen. Really flew under the radar this year. Was great for my fantasy squad.

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259048)
:lol Very true, my friend. Very true. And yes, the stigma on Russian players is just as you described.

But after what I've seen Babcock do (going clear back to Anaheim), I can't deny the wonders that guy can work. That was only reinforced to me by the way he handled the offensive-heavy Canadian olympic team. Canadians are not Russians (thankfully), but the point was well taken that he can sell the system to the biggest of stars.

Yeah I don't know if anyone could get him on the right path but Babcock is one of the few that could. Would it work? I honestly don't think so but ya never know.

I think part of why Datsyuk is the model citizen is because he wasn't the can't miss super star so he had to work for what he got. Plus he got to come in and take a backseat with guys like Yzerman, Hull, Fedorov, Shanny and Larionov. You grow up in a team first environment, it helps out.

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15259040)
Flyers sign MacDonald for 6 years, $30 mil. Jesus

And in other news, Matt Niskanen is going to be very rich in the coming months.

What's that, a 1000% raise? He's a nice defensman but....damn.

Rebecca De Mornay 04-15-2014 11:48 AM

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i really don't understand how the flyers have any cap space.

wampa3 04-15-2014 11:52 AM

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In regards to Niskanen, after the past two seasons (especially this one), he was due for a big pay day. The unknown factor that had yet to be determined was what the going market price was going to be for dmen this season. This MacDonald deal has set a bar that might result in him testing the FA waters to get paid, and I wouldn't blame him.

With that said, if I were Shero I'd do whatever I could to hold onto him even if that means trading Scuderi and letting Orpik go. Those ships have sailed. Having a core D of Martin, Letang, Niskanen, and Maatta would be terrific

HallowBillies7 04-15-2014 12:10 PM

A 9 year old girl named Maddie who is battling cancer was able to get new goalie gear with Tuukka at a local store, and try out all her gear with the Bruins after a practice a few weeks ago. Tuukka went to the next level for her and had this mask custom made. A lot of this story has been covered on the Bruins show Behind the B, but I just thought I'd share it because it's an awesome story.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/15/udy9u4ys.jpg

barbogast 04-15-2014 12:14 PM

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I think that maybe after next season when the team is still bad and Leonsis can't sell seats with the lure of an upcoming Winter Classic, and he realizes just how quickly the DC sports fanbase will give up on a losing team that isn't the named the Redskins...that's when he'll seriously consider doing something like trading Ovechkin

For now, he's not going anywhere

Roose13 04-15-2014 12:23 PM

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Six years, $30 million for Andrew MacDonald. Good job, Homer :lol:lol

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 12:41 PM

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I was hoping the Wings could improve their D in the offseason, but if MacDonald is any indication of the market, they'll be better with the kids and what they have now.

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 12:49 PM

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And ugh, I want the playoffs to start. One more day still....feels like an eternity.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15259074)
In regards to Niskanen, after the past two seasons (especially this one), he was due for a big pay day. The unknown factor that had yet to be determined was what the going market price was going to be for dmen this season. This MacDonald deal has set a bar that might result in him testing the FA waters to get paid, and I wouldn't blame him.

With that said, if I were Shero I'd do whatever I could to hold onto him even if that means trading Scuderi and letting Orpik go. Those ships have sailed. Having a core D of Martin, Letang, Niskanen, and Maatta would be terrific

completely agree

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15259245)
And ugh, I want the playoffs to start. One more day still....feels like an eternity.

yes :thumbsup

~Crashintome89~ 04-15-2014 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 15259171)
Six years, $30 million for Andrew MacDonald. Good job, Homer :lol:lol

I'm confused. Isn't this what everyone expected anyway? Why are people mad about this?

kev87lads 04-15-2014 01:10 PM

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HgH. As per usual. Awful deal. Oh well....

kev87lads 04-15-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15259295)
I'm confused. Isn't this what everyone expected anyway? Why are people mad about this?

I'm just mad about the years, not the dollars.

~Crashintome89~ 04-15-2014 01:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 15259306)
I'm just mad about the years, not the dollars.

He'll be 32 when the deal is up. He's not an old man. I think Flyers fans just bitch about anything that comes to mind.

EDIT: Obviously not you guys, well maybe you guys, maybe just Kev, yeah--Kev.

kev87lads 04-15-2014 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15259313)
He'll be 32 when the deal is up. He's not an old man. I think Flyers fans just bitch about anything that comes to mind.

EDIT: Obviously not you guys, well maybe you guys, maybe just Kev, yeah--Kev.

You shut your mouth you softball legend!

I don't just bitch to bitch. I bitch at deals that exceed 4-5 years. Don't care about the age. There's too much that can happen to a player, mentally, physically, whatever and can hurt your cap. The Flyers know about this all to well.

~Crashintome89~ 04-15-2014 01:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 15259329)
You shut your mouth you softball legend!

I don't just bitch to bitch. I bitch at deals that exceed 4-5 years. Don't care about the age. There's too much that can happen to a player, mentally, physically, whatever and can hurt your cap. The Flyers know about this all to well.

Yeah, but MacDonald's contract isn't 33+, which means if he has a catastrophic injury he can retire and the Flyers don't have to worry about it.

So suck it.

bradshaw06 04-15-2014 01:18 PM

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Macdonald has been pretty good since coming to phila.


I hope Orpik is not resigned. But i think i will disappointed there.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 01:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15259343)
Macdonald has been pretty good since coming to phila.


I hope Orpik is not resigned. But i think i will disappointed there.

unless he takes a paycut

fonzz41 04-15-2014 01:41 PM

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Like I said, good for MacDonald getting paid. Usually a d-man at his stage is making a little less, but I'm all about hard-working, selfless guys like him getting noticed and appreciated.

But I will say this: every other FA d-man is now dreaming of dollar signs going into the summer!

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 01:46 PM

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Guys.....my Q meter is....g-g-gonna....explode....

Morin is wearing a white jersey (5th line) with Peter Regin....Kane is on the third line....Versteeg is on the first...and Handzus and Bollig are skating, at all. Maybe after they lose game one they'll make some changes

lockman21 04-15-2014 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15259452)
Guys.....my Q meter is....g-g-gonna....explode....

Morin is wearing a white jersey (5th line) with Peter Regin....Kane is on the third line....Versteeg is on the first...and Handzus and Bollig are skating, at all. Maybe after they lose game one they'll make some changes

A lot of the practice lines pre-playoffs are just to not show your hand. A lot can change by Thursday.

Also, everyone, turn on NHL Network. Hawks/Flyers game 6 is on.

lockman21 04-15-2014 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15259452)
Guys.....my Q meter is....g-g-gonna....explode....

Morin is wearing a white jersey (5th line) with Peter Regin....Kane is on the third line....Versteeg is on the first...and Handzus and Bollig are skating, at all. Maybe after they lose game one they'll make some changes

That said...I think we're seeing who is going to skate. I thought it was a long shot for Morin to play. Really a shame, but I don't know who he replaces. Bollig is going to play, it's basically Handzus, and Q then has to decide who he would put at that 2C position. Who would that be?

~Crashintome89~ 04-15-2014 02:09 PM

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The Ghost has arrived.

Flyers Rule, Rangers drool.

TMoore4075 04-15-2014 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15259522)
Also, everyone, turn on NHL Network. Hawks/Flyers game 6 is on.

The worst Stanley Cup winning call ever, by every network that had it. Not their fault by any means but that's what I always look forward to. Guessing the broadcasters do too and were probably pissed that they were like "uhhhhh."

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 02:38 PM

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I would have no problem with Ben Smith centering Hossa and Sharp.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 02:39 PM

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pens skated with a top powerplay of

Crosby
Neal
Kunitz
Malkin--point
Letang

i'd like to see Martin instead, but i guess the right handed shot makes Letang the option

i'd even be in favor or taking of Neal or Kunitz in place of Martin

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 02:44 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I played as the Pens last night and recognized about 4 players below the top line.

hailtopitt 04-15-2014 02:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15259670)
I played as the Pens last night and recognized about 4 players below the top line.

sounds about right

Bron Yr Aur 04-15-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15259547)
That said...I think we're seeing who is going to skate. I thought it was a long shot for Morin to play. Really a shame, but I don't know who he replaces. Bollig is going to play, it's basically Handzus, and Q then has to decide who he would put at that 2C position. Who would that be?

Fact is, Bollig HAS to play against the Blues, at least in the first couple games (and Q seems to love Bollig so he will probably play in every game). It's obvious that STL will come out swinging. IMO their first goal will be to establish the physical game in that first period, scoring will just be a byproduct of that if they can neutralize Toews & Kane who may not be up to game speed.

That said, Handzus is terrible and needs to be out of the lineup. If Hawks go down a couple games I think we could see Morin.

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 03:23 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
It's amazing the Hawks got through LA and Boston last year without Bollig.

Bron Yr Aur 04-15-2014 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15259800)
It's amazing the Hawks got through LA and Boston last year without Bollig.

Completely different situation. Hawks didn't have injured Toews & Kane returning to the lineup and neither of those two teams hit like the Blues do, not even close.

Blues will be out to make a statement after losing their last 6 games. Toews & Kane (the latter in particular) not being 100% gives them some incentive to begin the series with an extra focus on finishing their hits and living on the edge physically.

HallowBillies7 04-15-2014 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 15259809)
Completely different situation. Hawks didn't have injured Toews & Kane returning to the lineup and neither of those two teams hit like the Blues do, not even close.



Blues will be out to make a statement after losing their last 6 games. Toews & Kane (the latter in particular) not being 100% gives them some incentive to begin the series with an extra focus on finishing their hits and living on the edge physically.


You don't think the Bruins hit like the Blues do? I went to the game earlier this year against the Blues and I thought it was quite the physical matchup.

fonzz41 04-15-2014 03:36 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
More demonstration of Ovechkin's fabulous attitude :rolleyes:

Quote:

Ovechkin, Washington's captain, led the NHL with 51 goals but also had a minus-35 rating, among the league's worst, and Oates said that's an aspect of the three-time MVP's game that needs to improve.

"I talked to him and it's one of the things that we have to address for sure," the coach said. "It's obviously counterproductive."

Said Ovechkin: "I get paid to score goals. I scored 50."

He also acknowledged "that kind of minus" is not good, while pointing out that he's not the only player with a negative rating on the Capitals.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10...middle-nowhere

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 15259809)
Completely different situation. Hawks didn't have injured Toews & Kane returning to the lineup and neither of those two teams hit like the Blues do, not even close.

Blues will be out to make a statement after losing their last 6 games. Toews & Kane (the latter in particular) not being 100% gives them some incentive to begin the series with an extra focus on finishing their hits and living on the edge physically.

then why is Bollig not skating on their line? The whole Bollig "presence" argument is the worst and dumbest argument to justify Bollig. He was on the ice with Hossa when Torres attempted murder on him.

I could get behind the whole "creates energy" "plays physical" argument, but Morin creates energy and plays physical too and he does it in a more beneficial way...by scoring goals.

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 03:43 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Ovechkin is the best

barbogast 04-15-2014 03:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259829)
More demonstration of Ovechkin's fabulous attitude :rolleyes:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10...middle-nowhere

The guy makes it so hard to be a fan

I'm so tired of hearing him say "it's my job to score goals. I did that". Actually, Alex, when you first got here I was told you were gonna score goals AND bring championships.

You hit the nail on the head earlier, at least I think it was you, when you said he'll thrive on a team where leadership isn't required from him. He's gotta be the worst captain currently in the NHL.

~Crashintome89~ 04-15-2014 03:52 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259829)
More demonstration of Ovechkin's fabulous attitude :rolleyes:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10...middle-nowhere

I saw this yesterday and wanted to scream. Thank God I will never ever be a Caps fan cause I don't know how they're taking all of this. Ovechkin just needs to shut the hell up, man up, and take responsibility for his team. Yeah, he's right that's it's not all about one guy--it never is. Every single player on that roster is responsible, from the guy who plays 82 games, to the healthy scratches. But there are different degrees of accountability, and as the captain, plus the leading scorer, you need to man the hell up.

EDIT: I know I'm preaching to the choir, I just hate this shit. Same thing happened with Mike Richards while he was here. It was annoying.

UCFish 04-15-2014 03:53 PM

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Bollig has been a lot more valuable this year than last year in my opinion.

Last year I NEVER wanted to see him in a playoff game however this year I do not have an issue with it.

lockman21 04-15-2014 03:55 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 15259754)
Fact is, Bollig HAS to play against the Blues, at least in the first couple games (and Q seems to love Bollig so he will probably play in every game). It's obvious that STL will come out swinging. IMO their first goal will be to establish the physical game in that first period, scoring will just be a byproduct of that if they can neutralize Toews & Kane who may not be up to game speed.

That said, Handzus is terrible and needs to be out of the lineup. If Hawks go down a couple games I think we could see Morin.

Bollig also should be in the lineup for game 1 of the playoffs because he's an experienced veteran. You want a guy that's been there before to be in game 1 instead of a guy you literally just called up a couple weeks ago.

No one is saying Morin doesn't have more skill than Bollig or Handzus, but the kid hasn't even played in 20 NHL games yet in his career, let alone the playoffs. That's a huge factor, ESPECIALLY against a physical team like St. Louis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15259648)
I would have no problem with Ben Smith centering Hossa and Sharp.

And what reason would that be for?

Look, I hate Handzus being our 2C too, but the guy does a lot that people just don't notice. Yes, he's slow and can't make plays offensively, but he gets to the gritty areas and keeps plays alive. He plays the game 200 ft and is responsible defensively. Despite his lack of speed, how often do you see a play going the other direction in an odd man rush when he's on the ice? Not very often. His role on that line isn't to make plays happen or be an offensive guy, but it's the hope that you let your stars be the stars while he just kind of allows them to do that.

It's a huge reason why I think Bowman hasn't done a "great" job as the GM. It's my one big criticism of his, and that's how he has ignored the 2C position. It's a huge reason why I think the signing of Bickell was so misguided. The entire team takes much better shape with a legit second line center. It doesn't have to be a Malkin or Kesler, but someone along the talent lines of Sam Gagner would make a world of difference.

Anyway, we're grasping at straws picking which one is better for the 2C slot between Smith, Kruger, and Handzus. None of them are second line centers. That was my point, that you really don't have someone that makes that much more of sense in that slot than Handzus.

barbogast 04-15-2014 03:58 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15259876)
I saw this yesterday and wanted to scream. Thank God I will never ever be a Caps fan cause I don't know how they're taking all of this. Ovechkin just needs to shut the hell up, man up, and take responsibility for his team. Yeah, he's right that's it's not all about one guy--it never is. Every single player on that roster is responsible, from the guy who plays 82 games, to the healthy scratches. But there are different degrees of accountability, and as the captain, plus the leading scorer, you need to man the hell up.

EDIT: I know I'm preaching to the choir, I just hate this shit. Same thing happened with Mike Richards while he was here. It was annoying.

It's been real tough to watch the whole Ovie thing unfold like this

Just been getting uglier and uglier ever since Bruce left

fonzz41 04-15-2014 03:59 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15259866)
The guy makes it so hard to be a fan

I'm so tired of hearing him say "it's my job to score goals. I did that". Actually, Alex, when you first got here I was told you were gonna score goals AND bring championships.

You hit the nail on the head earlier, at least I think it was you, when you said he'll thrive on a team where leadership isn't required from him. He's gotta be the worst captain currently in the NHL.

:thumbsup If he wants to just "do his job" and score goals, strip him of every other responsibility and let him do that. He'll probably keep scoring 50 PP goals a year. Meanwhile, The Toews's, Crosbys, Browns, and (hopefully someday) Landeskogs will be off leading their teams to championships.

A captain isn't content with filling just one role for his team.

A captain, when he's getting thrown under the bus for his irresponsible play, doesn't pull his teammates down with him.

lockman21 04-15-2014 04:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15259847)
then why is Bollig not skating on their line? The whole Bollig "presence" argument is the worst and dumbest argument to justify Bollig. He was on the ice with Hossa when Torres attempted murder on him.

I could get behind the whole "creates energy" "plays physical" argument, but Morin creates energy and plays physical too and he does it in a more beneficial way...by scoring goals.

If you're going to argue against Bollig, then the argument could be made against your boy Bickell being in the lineup as well. Based on an 82 game season, he would have had 20 points, and that's while averaging more ice time than Bollig. All while Bollig has nearly twice as many hits, less giveaways, and more shots on net than Bickell.

barbogast 04-15-2014 04:04 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259900)
:thumbsup If he wants to just "do his job" and score goals, strip him of every other responsibility and let him do that. He'll probably keep scoring 50 PP goals a year. Meanwhile, The Toews's, Crosbys, Browns, and (hopefully someday) Landeskogs will be off leading their teams to championships.

A captain isn't content with filling just one role for his team.

A captain, when he's getting thrown under the bus for his irresponsible play, doesn't pull his teammates down with him.

He also doesn't publicly beef with the head coach, which Ovie has done with EVERY SINGLE COACH HE'S HAD IN THE NHL

It's so frustrating

fonzz41 04-15-2014 04:13 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15259923)
He also doesn't publicly beef with the head coach, which Ovie has done with EVERY SINGLE COACH HE'S HAD IN THE NHL

It's so frustrating

Absolutely :thumbsup

You're more close to this than I ever even want to be, so let me ask you, do you feel management actually undermines whoever the Caps coach is by constantly putting Ovie up on a pedestal and sucking him off? By enabling Ovie to act the way he does, are they just setting up whoever the coach is for failure?

Rebecca De Mornay 04-15-2014 04:15 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259900)
:thumbsup If he wants to just "do his job" and score goals, strip him of every other responsibility and let him do that. He'll probably keep scoring 50 PP goals a year. Meanwhile, The Toews's, Crosbys, Browns, and (hopefully someday) Landeskogs will be off leading their teams to championships.

A captain isn't content with filling just one role for his team.

A captain, when he's getting thrown under the bus for his irresponsible play, doesn't pull his teammates down with him.

ahem, i believe you're missing representation from an important team here sir...

fonzz41 04-15-2014 04:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15259992)
ahem, i believe you're missing representation from an important team here sir...

My sincere apologies. My anger at Ovechkin caused me to partially lose my ability to reason.

Please see below for amended post

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259900)
:thumbsup If he wants to just "do his job" and score goals, strip him of every other responsibility and let him do that. He'll probably keep scoring 50 PP goals a year. Meanwhile, The Toews's, Crosbys, Browns, and (hopefully someday) Landeskogs and Murrays will be off leading their teams to championships.

#jacketsin5

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 04:17 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15259887)
Bollig also should be in the lineup for game 1 of the playoffs because he's an experienced veteran. You want a guy that's been there before to be in game 1 instead of a guy you literally just called up a couple weeks ago.

No one is saying Morin doesn't have more skill than Bollig or Handzus, but the kid hasn't even played in 20 NHL games yet in his career, let alone the playoffs. That's a huge factor, ESPECIALLY against a physical team like St. Louis.

Yeah, wouldn't want to throw people you just called up into the NHL playoffs....

Hjalmarsson's 08-09 regular season games played: 21
Hjalmarsson's 08-09 playoff games played: 17

but I'll be told how that's different.


Quote:

And what reason would that be for?

Look, I hate Handzus being our 2C too, but the guy does a lot that people just don't notice. Yes, he's slow and can't make plays offensively, but he gets to the gritty areas and keeps plays alive. He plays the game 200 ft and is responsible defensively. Despite his lack of speed, how often do you see a play going the other direction in an odd man rush when he's on the ice? Not very often. His role on that line isn't to make plays happen or be an offensive guy, but it's the hope that you let your stars be the stars while he just kind of allows them to do that.

It's a huge reason why I think Bowman hasn't done a "great" job as the GM. It's my one big criticism of his, and that's how he has ignored the 2C position. It's a huge reason why I think the signing of Bickell was so misguided. The entire team takes much better shape with a legit second line center. It doesn't have to be a Malkin or Kesler, but someone along the talent lines of Sam Gagner would make a world of difference.

Anyway, we're grasping at straws picking which one is better for the 2C slot between Smith, Kruger, and Handzus. None of them are second line centers. That was my point, that you really don't have someone that makes that much more of sense in that slot than Handzus.
Exactly. That is the entire thing right there. The Hawks are a fast paced team that thrive at moving as a 5-man unit down the ice quickly. Handzus has no place on the team ONLY because of his speed.

Zus is only on this team for the playoffs, so I'm more willing to go with that than Bollig.

And the Bollig-Bickell argument has no weight. It was very clear that his knee was still hurt to start the year and then he hurt his other knee so he was skating on no knee's all year. Once he rested himself and healed both his knees during the Olympic break, he has been one of the Hawks better forwards and was playing very well when Toews and Kane were out.

The microcosm of how useless Bollig is is when the Hawks beat the Blues and Morin went out there and scored a great goal and changed the momentum of the game and shifted the energy of the entire building and ON THE NEXT SHIFT Bollig drops the gloves with Ryan Reeves in what was ultimately a completely useless fight. There's no convincing me Bollig should be in the lineup over Morin...his contributions are minimal. Versteeg over Morin is a crime as well...but that's another discussion.

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 04:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Bickell-Regin-Morin was the Hawks best line while Toews and Kane were out. Morin's Corsi against STL was 85%...that's absurd.

Rebecca De Mornay 04-15-2014 04:23 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
:lol can you imagine the melt situation we'd be looking at from bonzo if the blues beat the hawks?

lockman21 04-15-2014 04:24 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259978)
Absolutely :thumbsup

You're more close to this than I ever even want to be, so let me ask you, do you feel management actually undermines whoever the Caps coach is by constantly putting Ovie up on a pedestal and sucking him off? By enabling Ovie to act the way he does, are they just setting up whoever the coach is for failure?

It's certainly a possibility, and the organization needs to ask itself some questions. Do we want to focus on being competitive or making money? Ovie will make you money every year. The NHL loves him, his jersey sells, etc. It allows for things like multiple winter classics, etc. etc.

So if you decide you'd rather build a competitive team, the next question is can you do that with Ovechkin on your squad? He's never proven he can win on any level, so what would it take to build a team with him to win at this level? Can you do it with Backstrom and Green? They have money to spend this offseason, do they try to trade for Kesler? If you think you can win with Ovie, do you keep him as the captain?

If the answer is no, that you don't think Ovie is the right answer to build a Cup contender, how low are you willing to sell Ovie in order to start your rebuild? Can you handle the backlash that is sure to come from trading away a huge star like Ovechkin? What if Ovie pulls a Kovalchuck and goes running for the KHL if you trade him? Are there potential cap implications that you can handle/are willing to deal with if that happens?

Lots of questions, not a lot of answers.

lockman21 04-15-2014 04:26 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15260003)
Yeah, wouldn't want to throw people you just called up into the NHL playoffs....

Hjalmarsson's 08-09 regular season games played: 21
Hjalmarsson's 08-09 playoff games played: 17

but I'll be told how that's different.

Um, it's completely different. Were you around for that time, as in, following the Hawks closely to actually remember what happened there?

bonzo48280 04-15-2014 04:27 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
oh man I'm gonna have a terrible summer if the Hawks lose to the Blues

barbogast 04-15-2014 04:27 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15259978)
Absolutely :thumbsup

You're more close to this than I ever even want to be, so let me ask you, do you feel management actually undermines whoever the Caps coach is by constantly putting Ovie up on a pedestal and sucking him off? By enabling Ovie to act the way he does, are they just setting up whoever the coach is for failure?

Yes, absolutely

Bruce Boudreau said publicly after he was let go that he wasn't allowed to coach the way he wanted. Called out McPhee in particular.

Say what you want about Dale Hunter, but the guy isn't stupid. His war with Ovie got very public very quickly, and McPhee once again sided with Ovie. I believe there's too much love betweens the Caps and Hunter to make why he left completely public, but I don't really buy that Dale "wanted to give it a shot, and once they were out he was planning on going back to London all along". I know he loves the London Knights, and he and his family have a truly amazing thing going there, but he knew he wasn't going to be able to keep Ovechkin on the bench forever. And he also knew the Caps were doomed without a more defensive structure, starting mostly with commitment from Ovie, and McPhee has never done anything to indicate dissatisfaction with Ovechkin. So Dale Hunter left. And good for him.

And now there's this with Adam Oates. If there's one thing we know about Alex, it's that he'll blame someone else, every time. Another report came out yesterday that said he wants Oates back. But Oates is a coddler, worse than Bruce ever was. Which is why I think he'll stay and so will McPhee. They'll coddle Ovie.

lockman21 04-15-2014 04:29 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15260042)
oh man I'm gonna have a terrible summer if the Hawks lose to the Blues

It'll probably be because of superstar Jeremy Morin and his ridiculous Corsi numbers why they lost.


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