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hailtopitt 04-12-2017 12:14 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 16765662)
I understand that there's a shit ton to replace with Letang's injury and not one person is going to be able to bring what he has to the table.

I'm saying that they've had plenty of time to adjust, and frankly I think they have a better record this year with him off the ice.

Penguins this year are 26-10-5 without Letang and 24-11-6 with Letang. So they obviously have found a way to fill the void and keep the same production. Some of that will change going forward into the playoffs as their a different beast, but Penns have proven they can play just as well without Letang

regular season record doesn't mean much right now but either way

per the hockey news:

goals per game with Letang: 3.44
goals per game w/o Letang: 3.29

"In terms of puck possession at 5-on-5, the Penguins have had a Corsi for percentage slightly below 50 percent without Letang in the lineup. In the 41 games he has dressed, though, Pittsburgh has averaged a Corsi for percentage of 51.5. Also, in terms of producing legitimate scoring opportunities at 5-on-5, it's clear Letang's presence has helped tip the scales in the Penguins' favor. In the 38 games he hasn't played, Pittsburgh boasted 50 percent of the scoring chances. When Letang has been in the lineup, though, that percentage has leapt all the way up to 56.2."

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 12:17 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16765666)
It still reminds me of Tampa Bay without Stammer last year.

and if they had a healthy Stamkos against the Pens, a series where they lead 3-2 and went 7 games, it's more than possible that they eliminate the Pens

TB is a completely different offense, especially on the PP, without Stamkos

Pens are a completely different offense, especially 5-on-5, without Letang

fonzz41 04-12-2017 12:19 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765643)
Matty gets it



Brohan doesn't get it

this is like saying if Ovie got hurt 2 months ago: "Caps can't blame an Ovechkin injury for any failures in the playoffs, they had time to adjust!!"

just doesn't work that way. wouldn't expect you to understand though

The thing that makes the playoffs different is you're not just playing a team once and moving on to the next game against the next team, like in the regular season. Any team can beat another team once.

But in the playoffs, you are playing that team again and again, with adjustments being made between each game. You better believe that the Blue Jackets are going to evaluate the hell outta the Pens defense during game one and do everything they can to exploit weaknesses in game 2.

It's not just about winning. It's adjusting to win against the same team over a period of at least four games. While that other team is throwing the best they have at you. And if you happen to get past THAT team, you've got another, probably better one waiting for you. Can the Pens defense adjust to the adjustments?

Team USA beat Russia in 1980 for one game. But do you think they could beat them in a best-of-seven series? That's the playoffs, baby.

It totally sounds like I'm gloom-and-dooming the Pens, sorry. They are a great team and I do think they have a chance. Just pointing out how crazy the playoffs can be.

TheLastPig 04-12-2017 12:20 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765676)
and if they had a healthy Stamkos against the Pens, a series where they lead 3-2 and went 7 games, it's more than possible that they eliminate the Pens

TB is a completely different offense, especially on the PP, without Stamkos

Pens are a completely different offense, especially 5-on-5, without Letang

Youre kind of making an argument against yourself here.

Noone is saying it will be easy. It will be extremely hard for the pens to pull it off, but its not impossible, TB made a run without Stammer, Pens can still do the same without 58.

I dont think anywhere here expects the Pens to win the cup.

aeroshady 04-12-2017 12:24 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16765681)
Youre kind of making an argument against yourself here.

Noone is saying it will be easy. It will be extremely hard for the pens to pull it off, but its not impossible, TB made a run without Stammer, Pens can still do the same without 58.

I dont think anywhere here expects the Pens to win the cup.

:thumbsup

This post sums up my argument!

-Pens can repeat
-Will be harder without Letang
-If they get past the 2nd round they are a favorite again
-I just have a feeling (not the same as saying I expect them to win)

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 12:24 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16765679)
The thing that makes the playoffs different is you're not just playing a team once and moving on to the next game against the next team, like in the regular season. Any team can beat another team once.

But in the playoffs, you are playing that team again and again, with adjustments being made between each game. You better believe that the Blue Jackets are going to evaluate the hell outta the Pens defense during game one and do everything they can to exploit weaknesses in game 2.

It's not just about winning. It's adjusting to win against the same team over a period of at least four games. While that other team is throwing the best they have at you. And if you happen to get past THAT team, you've got another, probably better one waiting for you. Can the Pens defense adjust to the adjustments?

Team USA beat Russia in 1980 for one game. But do you think they could beat them in a best-of-seven series? That's the playoffs, baby.

It totally sounds like I'm gloom-and-dooming the Pens, sorry. They are a great team and I do think they have a chance. Just pointing out how crazy the playoffs can be.

i'm right there with you

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16765681)
Youre kind of making an argument against yourself here.

Noone is saying it will be easy. It will be extremely hard for the pens to pull it off, but its not impossible, TB made a run without Stammer, Pens can still do the same without 58.

I dont think anywhere here expects the Pens to win the cup.

yes, TB made a run. but they didn't win the Cup. and no Stamkos was the main reason

so again, my point was no Letang=no repeat

doesn't mean they can't make a run

~Crashintome89~ 04-12-2017 12:25 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
If I'm the Jackets, I'm hitting everything that moves on the Pens blue line in Game 1.

TheLastPig 04-12-2017 12:25 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765687)
i'm right there with you



yes, TB made a run. but they didn't win the Cup. and no Stamkos was the main reason

so again, my point was no Letang=no repeat

doesn't mean they can't make a run

I just think its silly to totally discount it. If they get through CBJ and the Caps, they will be looked at as a favorite. Never saying never with 87 and 71 on the ice, and a goalie who got super hot last spring.

Brohan_Santana 04-12-2017 12:25 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
Are we all at least in agreeance that the Hawks should WCF without little resistance? The Wild, Preds, Blues are all inconsistent. The Flames, Oilers are inexperienced. The Sharks are getting older and backed into the playoffs with a very rough stretch. Ducks are the one team that should meet the Hawks in the WCF and they don't match up well vs the Hawks

TheLastPig 04-12-2017 12:27 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16765688)
If I'm the Jackets, I'm hitting everything that moves on the Pens blue line in Game 1.

They tried that last week, didnt work. They should focus on winning one of these first two games. But hey, it is Torts.

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 12:28 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16765688)
If I'm the Jackets, I'm hitting everything that moves on the Pens blue line in Game 1.

yea that's their plan

lots of teams triesd that last year and it didn't work. hopefully history repeats itself

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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16765689)
I just think its silly to totally discount it. If they get through CBJ and the Caps, they will be looked at as a favorite. Never saying never with 87 and 71 on the ice, and a goalie who got super hot last spring.

i mean, anyone who "gets through" CBJ and WSH will be looked at as a favorite though

you'd be a final four team at that point

aeroshady 04-12-2017 12:42 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765695)
yea that's their plan

lots of teams triesd that last year and it didn't work. hopefully history repeats itself



i mean, anyone who "gets through" CBJ and WSH will be looked at as a favorite though

you'd be a final four team at that point

I don't really agree with this. The Rangers were definitely the underdogs in 2014 and 2015. I think that the Pens would be given a favorite tag if they are one of the final 4 though. Especially if the Hawks are out by then.

TheLastPig 04-12-2017 12:44 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16765721)
I don't really agree with this. The Rangers were definitely the underdogs in 2014 and 2015. I think that the Pens would be given a favorite tag if they are one of the final 4 though. Especially if the Hawks are out by then.

:thumbsup

Pens would be favored over whoever they would play in the ECF, and yeah if the Hawks are out, Pens will be SCF favorite of the final four.

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 12:47 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16765721)
I don't really agree with this. The Rangers were definitely the underdogs in 2014 and 2015. I think that the Pens would be given a favorite tag if they are one of the final 4 though. Especially if the Hawks are out by then.

this isn't 2014 or 2015 though

if you beat the 2 best teams in the east, and 2 of the 3 best teams overall points-wise, you're going to get attention.

that's besides the point though. i never said the Pens couldn't make a run. just no way they repeat without Letang unless some unbelievable upsets happen elsewhere around the league.

JRS1386 04-12-2017 12:53 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 16765662)
I understand that there's a shit ton to replace with Letang's injury and not one person is going to be able to bring what he has to the table.

I'm saying that they've had plenty of time to adjust, and frankly I think they have a better record this year with him off the ice.

Penguins this year are 26-10-5 without Letang and 24-11-6 with Letang. So they obviously have found a way to fill the void and keep the same production. Some of that will change going forward into the playoffs as their a different beast, but Penns have proven they can play just as well without Letang

You should (by now) realize that regular season success and postseason success are not the same thing.

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 12:56 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16765736)
You should (by now) realize that regular season success and postseason success are not the same thing.

:lol:lol

unccrombie 04-12-2017 12:57 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
:: checks clock ::

still isn't 7pm, huh?

:: checks out ::

~Crashintome89~ 04-12-2017 01:08 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
what are all the games tonight?

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 01:08 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16765751)
what are all the games tonight?

https://www.google.com/#q=nhl+playoff+schedule

Brohan_Santana 04-12-2017 01:16 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 16765662)
. Some of that will change going forward into the playoffs as they're a different beast, but Penns have proven they can play just as well without Letang

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16765736)
You should (by now) realize that regular season success and postseason success are not the same thing.

Reading is hard

aeroshady 04-12-2017 01:17 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
Just sinking in that we are not playing the Penguins first round. Nice to have a change!

Anyway, I am going to make my game 1 picks for tonight!

Boston at Ottawa: Senators-3 Bruins-1

Columbus at Pittsburgh: Penguins-4 Blue Jackets-1

St. Louis at Minnesota: Blues-2 Wild-1 OT

San Jose at Edmonton: Sharks-6 Oilers-3

And finally,

New York at Montreal: Rangers-4 Canadiens-2

~Crashintome89~ 04-12-2017 01:21 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765752)

don't get smart with me.

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 01:23 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16765768)
don't get smart with me.

:lol just answering your question

the appropriate response would've been "thank you"

Alazais 04-12-2017 01:26 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
Leafs news:

Zaitsev out for game 1 (he's been their best D-man this year)

Andersen is a go for Game 1 (He's been their best goalie this year).

~Crashintome89~ 04-12-2017 01:28 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765771)
:lol just answering your question

the appropriate response would've been "thank you"

:lol:lol:lol:lol

hailtopitt 04-12-2017 01:30 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
i know it's painful to google "playoffs" and "flyers" and get zero hits but you gotta push through

Climb2safety 04-12-2017 01:34 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by Alazais (Post 16765774)
Leafs news:

Zaitsev out for game 1 (he's been their best D-man this year)

Andersen is a go for Game 1 (He's been their best goalie this year).

In your news feed, are you seeing any injuries yet in the Pittsburgh v. Columbus series?

kev87lads 04-12-2017 01:42 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16765780)
i know it's painful to google "playoffs" and "flyers" and get zero hits but you gotta push through

I lol'ed :lol

unccrombie 04-12-2017 01:42 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
ya know what just started bothering me about philly sports?
every color scheme for each franchise is different.

at least the fine folks in p-burg keep things similar

JRS1386 04-12-2017 01:51 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters!)
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 16765792)
ya know what just started bothering me about philly sports?
every color scheme for each franchise is different.

at least the fine folks in p-burg keep things similar

We believe in diversity. Is that still ok in Trumps America?


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