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fonzz41 03-31-2016 08:40 AM

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Bit slow at work, so I started thinking about some of the trades Edmonton could make to shore up that defense, like we were talking about yesterday. They have need for anyone who can slot in at 1-4. Swordo and Mike D, feel free to forward this list on to Chiarelli.

Blockbuster-type deals. You'll probably scoff at these, and rightfully so, but these are the types of deals Chiarelli could potentially LOOK FOR if he decided to trade Austin Matthews (I don't even need to call it the #1 pick, let's be honest). He'd be stupid to not at least try.
Cam Fowler
Mike Giordano
Brent Seabrook
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Alex Goligoski
Roman Josi
Brent Burns
Alex Pietrangelo
John Carlson
Karl Alzner

Other defensemen that may not be bona fide #1 guys, but could easily play top minutes. They could be the return in a Yakupov/Nuge deal, or part of a package for Matthews. These aren't guys that should be relied on to fix the problem (as the Oilers mistakenly tried with Andrew Ference), but will help them get there (as the Oilers should have treated Ference).
Sami Vatanen
Kevin Bieksa
Torey Krug
TJ Brodie
Zach Bogosian
Tyson Barrie
Brendan Smith
Erik Gudbranson
Dmitri Kulikov
Jake Muzzin
Jared Spurgeon
Keith Yandle
Dan Girardi
Travis Hamonic
Kevin Shattenkirk
Dan Hamhuis
Marc Staal
Johnny Boychuk

hailtopitt 03-31-2016 08:42 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
noooooo not Keith Yandle :lorraine

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 08:56 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 16354260)
Maybe not, Flyers playing into a higher seed at this point

Yeah, they sure are on fire. Killing that OT penalty was big time hockey. My only real concern is their remaining schedule - they have 3 sets of back to back games and only 2 of them are against teams that have been eliminated, Toronto and Ottawa are the only 'should win' games that could end up being traps since neither team has anything to lose at this point. Two games against Pittsburgh, an away game against the Islanders and another road game against Detroit will all be battles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16354430)
The Caps did play pretty well last night. Brohan's not wrong about that. Holtby seems to be finding his game again. Thank god

Let's also keep in mind every single line last night had played 0 games together this season

Not sure why they did that with the lines. Seems a bit late in the season to try and find new combo's that gel - though maybe they are just testing the waters so to speak to avoid an early exit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16354553)
Not trying to overshadow the point of your post (since I agree with it), but Tim Thomas was the goalie for the Bruins that playoffs. Rask only played a limited role.

Was going to point this out as well.

Couple other things.

Wow - first time in over 45 years that no Canadian team will be the playoffs.

Be nice to see the Caps win a few more to both break their franchise win record and if they win 3 with Holtby in net he breaks Martin Brodeur's single season win total. It will be a footnote if they don't make some noise in the playoffs but would still be a regular season to remember because they have been the most consistent team in the league all season.

EDIT: Anyone want to place a wager on where Drouin will be playing next season?

~Crashintome89~ 03-31-2016 09:03 AM

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you trade matthews and nuge/yak for two bon a fide defensemen and you're looking at a dangerous Oilers team.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 09:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16354762)
Bit slow at work, so I started thinking about some of the trades Edmonton could make to shore up that defense, like we were talking about yesterday. They have need for anyone who can slot in at 1-4. Swordo and Mike D, feel free to forward this list on to Chiarelli.

Blockbuster-type deals. You'll probably scoff at these, and rightfully so, but these are the types of deals Chiarelli could potentially LOOK FOR if he decided to trade Austin Matthews (I don't even need to call it the #1 pick, let's be honest). He'd be stupid to not at least try.
Cam Fowler
Mike Giordano
Brent Seabrook
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Alex Goligoski
Roman Josi
Brent Burns
Alex Pietrangelo
John Carlson
Karl Alzner

Other defensemen that may not be bona fide #1 guys, but could easily play top minutes. They could be the return in a Yakupov/Nuge deal, or part of a package for Matthews. These aren't guys that should be relied on to fix the problem (as the Oilers mistakenly tried with Andrew Ference), but will help them get there (as the Oilers should have treated Ference).
Sami Vatanen
Kevin Bieksa
Torey Krug
TJ Brodie
Zach Bogosian
Tyson Barrie
Brendan Smith
Erik Gudbranson
Dmitri Kulikov
Jake Muzzin
Jared Spurgeon
Keith Yandle
Dan Girardi
Travis Hamonic
Kevin Shattenkirk
Dan Hamhuis
Marc Staal
Johnny Boychuk

I doubt the Hawks are going to give up Seabrook or Hjalmarsson but they are more than welcome to waste a trade or sign Rozsivall! :lol

Seriously though Rozi's not going to be in the league much longer since he is already 37 years old but a veteran presence with plenty of postseason experience. Maybe a one or two year cheap contract would be a good thing to help out the younger players.

fonzz41 03-31-2016 09:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16354817)
I doubt the Hawks are going to give up Seabrook or Hjalmarsson but they are more than welcome to waste a trade or sign Rozsivall! :lol

Seriously though Rozi's not going to be in the league much longer since he is already 37 years old but a veteran presence with plenty of postseason experience. Maybe a one or two year cheap contract would be a good thing to help out the younger players.

Yeah, like I said it would be a long shot. But if I've got Austin Matthews and I'm willing to peddle him for some defensive help, you better believe I'm going to at least give Stan Bowman a call to test the waters!

Roszival might be a signing they make shortly before or after training camp if they want a depth #7 guy for a year. But my list above has the guys they should be pursuing right out of the gate.

~Crashintome89~ 03-31-2016 09:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16354817)
I doubt the Hawks are going to give up Seabrook or Hjalmarsson but they are more than welcome to waste a trade or sign Rozsivall! :lol

For Matthews?

If stan bowman was offered that deal he would take it in a second. Not even a thought given.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16354851)
Roszival might be a signing they make shortly before or after training camp if they want a depth #7 guy for a year. But my list above has the guys they should be pursuing right out of the gate.

I think he would be a decent addition if they can sign him cheap since he is nearing the end of his career. He has won 2 Stanley Cups and played in 102 playoff games during his career. Adding that veteran presence as a number 7 may help an up and coming team with a lot of talent, as long as they don't botch it up with bad trades, signing guys for too long and too much or fail to retain their talented guys with bright futures - you know the things they generally do! :lol

salrx95 03-31-2016 10:20 AM

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Sorry Fonz. Hamonic may need to go due to his trade demands but Boychuk not going anywhere. They can't trade both and the islanders record without Boychuk is indicative of what he means to this team.

Plus, Johnny Rockets is my 7 year old's favorite player. In fact, last week, he said he wants a Boychuk jersey for his birthday. He can't go.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16354889)
For Matthews?

If stan bowman was offered that deal he would take it in a second. Not even a thought given.

Maybe but I would not wager on it. Seabrook is locked up for another 7 seasons, an assistant captain and 3 time Cup winner. Edmonton would have to offer up more than Matthews and eat a ton of Seabrook's salary to pull that one off.

Almost the same situation with Hjalmarsson - he is another 3 time Cup winner, he is not even 30 years old, he is great at blocking shots and killing penalties plus he is also locked up for a few more years.

I doubt Chicago would part with Hjalmarsson but if Edmonton was willing to take on all of Seabrook's salary Bownamn might just move him to get some cap space.

Also worth noting is that both Hjalmarsson and Seabrook are members of that core 7 who has won 3 Cups with Chicago, plus they have Shaw who won 2 Cups with Chicago, Crawford who has won 2 with the Hawks and Ladd who also has 2 Cups - one with Chicago and one with Carolina. Not sure you want to break up all that experience but I doubt Ladd will be back in Chicago next season unless they can dump a few guys that can allow Ladd to stay with the Hawks while Chicago barely stays under the salary cap.

Edit: I think Edmonton would also have to throw in some first round picks to get Seabrook or Hjalmarsson.

Roose13 03-31-2016 10:29 AM

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I've enjoyed this Flyers season since they're pretty much playing with house money. This team is playing better than it should while that future youth has gotten a year older/better at their respective levels. We all know what Ghost has done at the NHL level, Morin has done well in Lehigh and Sanheim and Provorov killed it this season in juniors.

As for forwards, man am I pleased with Schenn this season. He's finally showing some sustainability in regards to what the Flyers expected out of him.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 10:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 16354991)
I've enjoyed this Flyers season since they're pretty much playing with house money. This team is playing better than it should while that future youth has gotten a year older/better at their respective levels. We all know what Ghost has done at the NHL level, Morin has done well in Lehigh and Sanheim and Provorov killed it this season in juniors.

As for forwards, man am I pleased with Schenn this season. He's finally showing some sustainability in regards to what the Flyers expected out of him.

Yeah, what they have accomplished is pretty amazing. Truthfully, before the all star break I figured both them and Anaheim would miss the playoffs but they both turned it around in dramatic fashion.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 10:52 AM

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One other thing about the Oilers, if the NHL decides to expand they will likely be the team who is least effected by it!

fonzz41 03-31-2016 10:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 16354974)
Sorry Fonz. Hamonic may need to go due to his trade demands but Boychuk not going anywhere. They can't trade both and the islanders record without Boychuk is indicative of what he means to this team.

Plus, Johnny Rockets is my 7 year old's favorite player. In fact, last week, he said he wants a Boychuk jersey for his birthday. He can't go.

No need to apologize. Like I said, these are just calls Chiarelli would be stupid not to make. I think any GM would at least listen if Pete called saying there was a shot at Matthews. Even for Boychuk.

EDIT: Like I said, many of you will balk. But the fact of the matter is, Austin Matthews is a generational player. This ain't no Nail Yakupov. This is potential future superstar.

fonzz41 03-31-2016 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16354982)
Maybe but I would not wager on it. Seabrook is locked up for another 7 seasons, an assistant captain and 3 time Cup winner. Edmonton would have to offer up more than Matthews and eat a ton of Seabrook's salary to pull that one off.

Almost the same situation with Hjalmarsson - he is another 3 time Cup winner, he is not even 30 years old, he is great at blocking shots and killing penalties plus he is also locked up for a few more years.

I doubt Chicago would part with Hjalmarsson but if Edmonton was willing to take on all of Seabrook's salary Bownamn might just move him to get some cap space.

Also worth noting is that both Hjalmarsson and Seabrook are members of that core 7 who has won 3 Cups with Chicago, plus they have Shaw who won 2 Cups with Chicago, Crawford who has won 2 with the Hawks and Ladd who also has 2 Cups - one with Chicago and one with Carolina. Not sure you want to break up all that experience but I doubt Ladd will be back in Chicago next season unless they can dump a few guys that can allow Ladd to stay with the Hawks while Chicago barely stays under the salary cap.

Edit: I think Edmonton would also have to throw in some first round picks to get Seabrook or Hjalmarsson.

Considering his talent, Austin Matthews straight up for Hjalmarsson is not an impossible deal. He's that good. We all realize the history these guys have with the Hawks and no one is saying they should be cast off. But Austin Matthews is a big get.

I can see the Hawks considering it, but eventually turning it down. They can say they're comfortable going forward with Panarin. Plus, they've got those other two superstars who they're paying $10 mil each per season. Could get awfully tight financially (even more than it is now) if they acquired Matthews as well, then had to sign him once his entry-level was up, not to mention Panarin's.

Bron Yr Aur 03-31-2016 11:04 AM

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Lol. Seabrook is not in his prime and already seems to be declining. There is no way anyone is giving up the #1 pick in return for Seabrook and his expensive salary.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 11:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16355053)
Considering his talent, Austin Matthews straight up for Hjalmarsson is not an impossible deal. He's that good. We all realize the history these guys have with the Hawks and no one is saying they should be cast off. But Austin Matthews is a big get.

I can see the Hawks considering it, but eventually turning it down. They can say they're comfortable going forward with Panarin. Plus, they've got those other two superstars who they're paying $10 mil each per season. Could get awfully tight financially (even more than it is now) if they acquired Matthews as well, then had to sign him once his entry-level was up, not to mention Panarin's.

Personally if I was Edmonton I'd keep Matthews and put him on the same line as McDavid. That would be a lot of firepower on a single line to build around for a long time to come.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 11:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 16355059)
Lol. Seabrook is not in his prime and already seems to be declining. There is no way anyone is giving up the #1 pick in return for Seabrook and his expensive salary.

He is only 30 years old and is playing some of the best hockey of his career at this point. Also, he is a shut down D man who has a cannon from the blue line when he lines it up and slaps it occasionally scoring and creating a lot of rebounds in front of the net!

JRS1386 03-31-2016 11:34 AM

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Holy fuck the Blackhawks getting Matthews on their team would be insane. They are already set up as a team that is set for the foreseeable future and having Matthews helps lengthen their future

UCFish 03-31-2016 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 16355059)
Lol. Seabrook is not in his prime and already seems to be declining. There is no way anyone is giving up the #1 pick in return for Seabrook and his expensive salary.

:thumbsup

He is the only long deal that is already looking a little rough.

He has not had the best year.

lockman21 03-31-2016 12:17 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16354889)
For Matthews?

If stan bowman was offered that deal he would take it in a second. Not even a thought given.

I wouldn't trade either for Matthews straight up.

lockman21 03-31-2016 12:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 16355107)
:thumbsup

He is the only long deal that is already looking a little rough.

He has not had the best year.

oh my god my head is going to explode.

UCFish 03-31-2016 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16355167)
oh my god my head is going to explode.

Sorry hockey master of the universe.

And god of all things Blackhawks to have an opinion that does not match yours.

Lcsulla 03-31-2016 12:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 16355174)
Sorry hockey master of the universe.

And god of all things Blackhawks to have an opinion that does not match yours.

I think we just have a different perspective since we have been watching all their games.

lockman21 03-31-2016 12:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 16355174)
Sorry hockey master of the universe.

And god of all things Blackhawks to have an opinion that does not match yours.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140604164553

UCFish 03-31-2016 12:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16355234)
I think we just have a different perspective since we have been watching all their games.

Just because I do not comment on every game does not mean I do not have the NHL package and follow.

UCFish 03-31-2016 12:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16355239)

You were the one who said your head was going to explode...

Perfectly calm over here.

No panic going into the playoffs.

lockman21 03-31-2016 12:52 PM

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:lol holy shit take it easy bro.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/52339346.jpg

UCFish 03-31-2016 12:55 PM

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:lol:lol:lol

lockman21 03-31-2016 12:56 PM

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On a serious note, I could see someone like Shattenkirk going for their pick. Obviously there would be more to it than that, but that would be the building blocks of that trade. Maybe Shattenkirk and the Blues 1st rounder for the #1 overall and Yakupov? Just spit-balling here.


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