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JRS1386 09-02-2013 08:49 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I've seen worse

bonzo48280 09-02-2013 08:50 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Toews and Kane are going to cost the GDP of Europe

HallowBillies7 09-02-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14806654)
6-year $36 million extension for Crawford starting next season

goddamn it. Dumb.

Honestly I wish the Bruins could've signed Tuukka for something more like that. Not a fan of 8 year contracts on goalies but I also think when all is said and done Rask will be better than Crawford. Only time will tell though

lockman21 09-03-2013 06:03 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Fucking. Awful.

~Crashintome89~ 09-03-2013 06:32 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
blackhawks fans always gonna blackhawk.

Guy gets you a cup, cry a river over a contract extension.

lockman21 09-03-2013 06:36 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14807555)
blackhawks fans always gonna blackhawk.

Guy gets you a cup, cry a river over a contract extension.

See: Marc-André Fleury

~Crashintome89~ 09-03-2013 06:47 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14807561)
See: Marc-André Fleury

Except Crawford is better than Marc Andre Fleury.

Crawford is going to end up taking Canada to the gold medal game where they will promptly lose to America.

unccrombie 09-03-2013 07:00 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
America, fuck yeah.

Caps pre-season tickets went up on our company ticket lottery. it's almost time!

UCFish 09-03-2013 02:02 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14806654)
6-year $36 million extension for Crawford starting next season

goddamn it. Dumb.

Yeah hate it.

Bron Yr Aur 09-03-2013 04:37 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14807570)
Except Crawford is better than Marc Andre Fleury.

Crawford is going to end up taking Canada to the gold medal game where they will promptly lose to America.

Nobody really knows this, though.

To me it looks like an overpayment for a guy a year away from UFA, whose numbers can only get worse. But I'm kind of torn, because if you look at the UFA class at goalie next year.....it's pretty mediocre. Crawford would only have to play decently behind a really good team and he'd be by far the best goalie on the market. And the Hawks would have been priced out.

Personally, I would have preferred they extend Hjalmarsson because he was their most important defenseman last season IMO. I think this says the Hawks do not have any confidence that Raanta or any of their other AHL goalies could replace Crawford. I don't love it but when you look at the deals these players are getting I think it's clear the cap is going to rise quickly over the next few years.

TMoore4075 09-04-2013 06:42 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I've been missing in action lately. Busy at work and in life. When Crawford signed thought immdiately of Chris. Thought goalies shouldn't sign long deals and the Hawks do it. Although I don't know what else they were going to do. When you are a team at the top it's hard to say "oh we'll just get some average guy to fill in." Remember when they said no to Niemi and his what $2.75mil?

Now reading Hjalmarsson signs a 5 year deal. Interested to see what that price will be.

bonzo48280 09-04-2013 06:45 AM

I remember when they said no to Niemi. I think it worked out in our favor.

All I care about is Kane and Toews

Bron Yr Aur 09-04-2013 06:47 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Where is all of this money coming from? Hawks better not be fucking themselves when they will need to re-sign Toews and Kane next offseason....

TMoore4075 09-04-2013 06:48 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14808842)
I remember when they said no to Niemi. I think it worked out in our favor.

All I care about is Kane and Toews

yeah it worked out. I'm not arguing that. My point is they said no to 2.75mil and now yes to 6mil.

lockman21 09-04-2013 06:54 AM

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Resigning Hjalmarsson is the first move they've made this offseason that I love. Fucking YES. Dude is as underrated as it gets in the NHL.

To quote the wise Teddy KGB..."Pay him...pay that man his money."

Bron Yr Aur 09-04-2013 06:56 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14808851)
Resigning Hjalmarsson is the first move they've made this offseason that I love. Fucking YES. Dude is as underrated as it gets in the NHL.

To quote the wise Teddy KGB..."Pay him...pay that man his money."

What do you think he's getting? $4.5m - 5m/yr?

Bron Yr Aur 09-04-2013 07:00 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14808847)
yeah it worked out. I'm not arguing that. My point is they said no to 2.75mil and now yes to 6mil.

Entirely different situations.

Hawks had serious cap issues and had to choose between Hammer and Niemi. Crawford will be the premier UFA goalie next year and would have gotten more on the open market if he puts in another solid year.

lockman21 09-04-2013 07:01 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14808854)
What do you think he's getting? $4.5m - 5m/yr?

5 sounds about right, maybe a little under. $24 mil/5 years. Something like that.

lockman21 09-04-2013 07:06 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14808847)
yeah it worked out. I'm not arguing that. My point is they said no to 2.75mil and now yes to 6mil.

It wasn't that simple though, Tim.

Saying "yes" to that 2.75 million means they were going to lose the defenseman they just signed to a 5 year deal. Hammer signed an offer sheet with San Jose which forced the Hawks hand. It was Hjalmar or Niemi. Hawks picked Hammer.

Remember, the Hawks were literally counting their pennies to stay under the cap for the 2010-2011 season. They were sending guys back and forth to Rockford on a daily basis to save $$$. They'd call up someone for game day, then send him back the next day just to save money against the cap.

Niemi wanted a short-term deal too. If I remember correctly, it was only 3 years he wanted, and ended up having to take just a 1 year deal with the Sharks after the Hawks said "thanks for everything, but it's time to move on". The Hawks had more faith in Crawford than any fans really understood. It was the right move.

lockman21 09-04-2013 07:07 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
$4.1 million per for Hjalmarsson.

FUUUUCK yes. Awesome. Could have easily commanded $5+ million on the open market.

Bron Yr Aur 09-04-2013 07:13 AM

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Yeah that's a great deal. Defensemen who don't score much just don't get paid. Good for the Hawks though....Hammer was their best d-man last year in my opinion.

~Crashintome89~ 09-04-2013 07:16 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14808845)
Where is all of this money coming from? Hawks better not be fucking themselves when they will need to re-sign Toews and Kane next offseason....

In two off-seasons, which means the cap will go up substantially by then to get deals done.

bonzo48280 09-04-2013 07:18 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
yessssss this signing rocks

lockman21 09-04-2013 07:28 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14808830)
I've been missing in action lately. Busy at work and in life. When Crawford signed thought immdiately of Chris. Thought goalies shouldn't sign long deals and the Hawks do it. Although I don't know what else they were going to do. When you are a team at the top it's hard to say "oh we'll just get some average guy to fill in." Remember when they said no to Niemi and his what $2.75mil?

Now reading Hjalmarsson signs a 5 year deal. Interested to see what that price will be.

And yeah, Tim, not a huge fan of the Craw deal just because of the number of years. I would have loved a 4 year deal at that price, but 6 years just puts them on the hook with him for longer than I like. The only goalies that should be 5+ years are your Quick/Miller/Lundqvist/etc. type guys. Crawford is not on their level.

Also, the cap is going to be ridiculous for the 2015-2016 season, so Hawk fans worried about Kane and Toews need to take a deep breath and just relax. If numbers keep increasing like they have been for revenue, don't be surprised to see the cap at $75 million-ish. Right now they have about $33 million to spend that season AFTER Hjalmarsson's deal. So even if it's around $70 million, they'll have almost $40 million in cap space. Kane and Toews will be fine. There's no way in fuck Stan Bowman is just signing deals all willy nilly while ignoring 19 and 88's upcoming free agency. They're still on the hook for 2 seasons. Keep in mind, Datsyuk just resigned for a $7.5 million cap hit. That's the best contract to think of for these two. They'll take a discount just like Pavel did, and I would guess it will be in the $8-$9 range. So figure $8.5 million for each, and the Hawks are at a hypothetical $22.5 million of free cap space for that season with both those guys locked up for (what is sure to be) 8 year deals.

Bron Yr Aur 09-04-2013 07:33 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14808907)
And yeah, Tim, not a huge fan of the Craw deal just because of the number of years. I would have loved a 4 year deal at that price, but 6 years just puts them on the hook with him for longer than I like. The only goalies that should be 5+ years are your Quick/Miller/Lundqvist/etc. type guys. Crawford is not on their level.

Also, the cap is going to be ridiculous for the 2015-2016 season, so Hawk fans worried about Kane and Toews need to take a deep breath and just relax. If numbers keep increasing like they have been for revenue, don't be surprised to see the cap at $75 million-ish. Right now they have about $33 million to spend that season AFTER Hjalmarsson's deal. So even if it's around $70 million, they'll have almost $40 million in cap space. Kane and Toews will be fine. There's no way in fuck Stan Bowman is just signing deals all willy nilly while ignoring 19 and 88's upcoming free agency. They're still on the hook for 2 seasons. Keep in mind, Datsyuk just resigned for a $7.5 million cap hit. That's the best contract to think of for these two. They'll take a discount just like Pavel did, and I would guess it will be in the $8-$9 range. So figure $8.5 million for each, and the Hawks are at a hypothetical $22.5 million of free cap space for that season with both those guys locked up for (what is sure to be) 8 year deals.

Chris, that's $22.5m of free space, but they will only have 9 guys signed. That $22.5m of space doesn't look quite as nice when you realize they need to sign 13 more players. Saad/Leddy/Pirri/Morin/Shaw/Kruger will need raises between now and then as well.

I figure they may try to trade Seabrook or Sharp if possible to free up a bit more space...

lockman21 09-04-2013 07:45 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14808913)
Chris, that's $22.5m of free space, but they will only have 9 guys signed. That $22.5m of space doesn't look quite as nice when you realize they need to sign 13 more players. Saad/Leddy/Pirri/Morin/Shaw/Kruger will need raises between now and then as well.

I figure they may try to trade Seabrook or Sharp if possible to free up a bit more space...

Highly unlikely. Bowman has made his mission clear. Keep those types of guys around, build around them with entry level guys.

Teravainen and McNeill will almost certainly be in the lineup at that time, so mark that down to $20.5 million and 11 more skaters. Danault will probably have a roster spot as well, Pirri will likely get an extension for a cheap price and a couple years this offseason depending on how he plays (if he has a decent season, I could see 3 years, $5.5 million or so), Clendening and Stephen Johns (Johns will still be on his entry level deal since he's playing at ND again this year) will most likely be on the back end, leaving 7 roster spots. Those guys will likely all be around $1 million ($2 million at the most). Who knows who the Hawks draft between now and then that make noise as well.

Saad is the biggest wildcard as to what kind of contract he's going to command based on his play. Shaw as well. Shaw is a lot more disposable though after drafting Hartman, who might be in the 3C role by then (hopefully). Hartman will also be on his entry level deal then, along with Dahlstrom on the backend or Hayden at another center position. Lots of options.

Roose13 09-04-2013 08:03 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14808870)
$4.1 million per for Hjalmarsson.

FUUUUCK yes. Awesome. Could have easily commanded $5+ million on the open market.

That is a fantastic deal. I've loved Hammer the past couple years. He's a such a valuable and underrated d'man in the NHL.

lockman21 09-04-2013 08:20 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
BTW, not to overload everyone with Blackhawk news, but I'm reading reports that Brandon Saad is a sleeper pick to make the USA squad in Sochi.

fonzz41 09-04-2013 08:47 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Love seeing my beloved stay-at-home d-men getting paid.

fonzz41 09-04-2013 08:52 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Here's my current USA roster that I shared after the camp rosters were announced:

David Backes
Dustin Brown
Ryan Callahan
Alex Galchenyuk
Patrick Kane
Ryan Kesler
Phil Kessel
TJ Oshie
Zach Parise
Bobby Ryan
Paul Stastny
James van Riemsdyk
Justin Abdelkader (replacing Legwand, the only guy on my initial roster who wasn't invited to camp)

Zach Bogosian
Erik Johnson
Jack Johnson
Ryan McDonagh
Kevin Shattenkirk
Ryan Suter
Keith Yandle

Craig Anderson
Ryan Miller
Jonathan Quick

As we talked about before, Chris, I can totally see Saad cracking this lineup. if he does, I'm guessing it will be at the expense of Galchenyuk or JVR. Probably more like Galchenyuk.


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