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sgtpeppr 07-02-2011 06:43 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12742969)
that should say two of your top goal scorers, my bad

Richards was 4 goals away from being 7th on the team.

bonzo48280 07-02-2011 06:46 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtpeppr (Post 12742968)
He still averages over a point a game.

who said anything about Jagr and points? Carter and Richards were traded away because of "being bad in the locker room," and then the Flyers sign Jagr. Clearly that wasn't motivation if they signed Jagr to solve their locker room troubles. They chose to overpay Bryz over keeping Richards and Carter, that's what it comes down to.

~Crashintome89~ 07-02-2011 06:48 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12742964)
well Jagr should mentor JVR into a beast.

Yes, you're finally right about something.

bonzo48280 07-02-2011 06:48 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtpeppr (Post 12742974)
Richards was 4 goals away from being 7th on the team.

what are you talking about? he was 5th on the team last year, and 2 goals behind Giroux for 3rd

http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/stats/_/...delphia-flyers

bonzo48280 07-02-2011 06:51 PM

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:lol :lol :lol

The whole league thinks the Flyers are idiots, except Flyers fans. Hilarious.

~Crashintome89~ 07-02-2011 06:52 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12742999)
:lol :lol :lol

The whole league thinks the Flyers are idiots, except Flyers fans. Hilarious.

You just paid money to Dan Carcillo.

bradshaw06 07-02-2011 06:53 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
1 year at 1.5. great deal for the lollercaps.

sgtpeppr 07-02-2011 06:53 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12742989)
what are you talking about? he was 5th on the team last year, and 2 goals behind Giroux for 3rd

http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/stats/_/...delphia-flyers

yeah... and it only would have taken 2 goals from van Riemsdyk and 4 goals from Leino for him to be 7th. I'm sure next year both those guys will probably be producing 30 goals each. So Richards would have continued wasting away his time on the third line.

And as for Jagr's locker room conduct, I have no doubt that he will fit in fine and not be causing any issues. This man is playing for one reason, "to make people happy." Several articles have quoted him saying that.

sgtpeppr 07-02-2011 06:54 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12743000)
You just paid money to Dan Carcillo.

:lol:lol:lol


Oh... right, the Flyers are the idiots.

bradshaw06 07-02-2011 06:55 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
as for the pens, i would rather them pay 775k for asham than 1.5 for rupp, 2 for kennedy than 1.8 for talbot, and 1.5 for sullivan than 3 for jagr. shero did a good job keeping his cool and not giving in to the high market prices.

sgtpeppr 07-02-2011 07:02 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12743011)
as for the pens, i would rather them pay 775k for asham than 1.5 for rupp, 2 for kennedy than 1.8 for talbot, and 1.5 for sullivan than 3 for jagr. shero did a good job keeping his cool and not giving in to the high market prices.

I don't know about Talbot... I've always thought of him as a better than average player. Maybe not skill wise, but certainly in heart, passion and intensity. I'm more than happy to see him in a Flyers uniform.

...and 3 mil might be a little much for Jagr, but then again, if he can put up at least 75+ points, it may not be. Does Sullivan have that potential?? I don't really think I'm familiar with him.

bonzo48280 07-02-2011 07:02 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Hawks sign one guy to a cheap, one year contract and he may not even make the team = Idiots

Flyers trade away Captain and Alternate Captain, two of their highest point getters, and replace them with an overpaid goalie for 9 years, a 39-year old who hasn't played in the NHL for 3 years, and Max Talbot = Genius

sgtpeppr 07-02-2011 07:04 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12743016)
Hawks sign one guy to a cheap, one year contract and he may not even make the team = Idiots

Flyers trade away Captain and Alternate Captain, two of their highest point getters, and replace them with an overpaid goalie for 9 years, a 39-year old who hasn't played in the NHL for 3 years, and Max Talbot = Genius

That's being a bit generous.

JRS1386 07-02-2011 07:05 PM

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Bonzo you sound so hurt. Calm down chief

bradshaw06 07-02-2011 07:08 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtpeppr (Post 12743015)
I don't know about Talbot... I've always thought of him as a better than average player. Maybe not skill wise, but certainly in heart, passion and intensity. I'm more than happy to see him in a Flyers uniform.

...and 3 mil might be a little much for Jagr, but then again, if he can put up at least 75+ points, it may not be. Does Sullivan have that potential?? I don't really think I'm familiar with him.

im a talbot fan, but 1.8 is a pretty sizable price for the guy, 9 million is a lot for a 4th line player. on the market, a guy like kennedy could have easily gotten 3 million

sgtpeppr 07-02-2011 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12743027)
im a talbot fan, but 1.8 is a pretty sizable price for the guy, 9 million is a lot for a 4th line player. on the market, a guy like kennedy could have easily gotten 3 million

Considering they gave Carcillo 1.75 last year, this is seen as a much better deal :lol

TMoore4075 07-02-2011 08:15 PM

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George McPhee did a great job here. Got a 1st and a 2nd and then signs Vokoun for 1.5mil. People will say he's losing out but he's going to a good team which he's never been on. He made good money the last few years.

~Crashintome89~ 07-02-2011 11:22 PM

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Bonzo acting like Roberto Luongo took a shit in his cereal instead of on the ice. Jesus....

DmBand801 07-03-2011 01:32 AM

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Grand larceny by the Capitals.

Holy shit.

UCFish 07-03-2011 03:41 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12743000)
You just paid money to Dan Carcillo.

good call still can't wrap my head around that.....Fucking worst thing I have read the last 2 days.....do not want him AT ALL....

joepsu0985 07-03-2011 08:11 AM

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I could have gotten at least league minimum the past two days.

DMBCubs25 07-03-2011 11:32 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
You'd think the Hawks signed Carcillo for 5 years and $25 mill. It's a one year deal slightly above league minimum...

joepsu0985 07-03-2011 11:59 AM

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The Hawks are a dirty team because they employ a notoriously dirty player.

swordo84 07-03-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12743847)
The Hawks are a dirty team because they employ a notoriously dirty player.

By your logic, the Pens are the dirtiest team in the league.

JRS1386 07-03-2011 01:23 PM

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Can't tell if you are serious or your sarcasm meter is broken.

Also who cares how much they paid Carcillo they still are paying him. He adds nothing to the team

dduncan6er 07-03-2011 01:43 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Toronto with an absolute robbery on Nashville.

DMBCubs25 07-03-2011 01:51 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 12743988)
Can't tell if you are serious or your sarcasm meter is broken.

Also who cares how much they paid Carcillo they still are paying him. He adds nothing to the team

And if he adds nothing they'll just waive him, not a big deal at all. If they can reign him in it could turn out to be a great signing for this team. If he's out of control then he's gone, its not that big of an issue.

joepsu0985 07-03-2011 02:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 12743852)
By your logic, the Pens are the dirtiest team in the league.

That is exactly my logic.

MDrums54 07-03-2011 03:01 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12743016)
Hawks sign one guy to a cheap, one year contract and he may not even make the team = Idiots

Flyers trade away Captain and Alternate Captain, two of their highest point getters, and replace them with an overpaid goalie for 9 years, a 39-year old who hasn't played in the NHL for 3 years, and Max Talbot = Genius

actually, richards and carter will be replaced by schenn and (probably) couturier. you also seemed to have forgotten about voracek and simmonds, who between the two of them can make up for richards defensive play as well as his playmaking abilities. carcillo sucke, leino was inconsistent, and powe is no different than any other gritty 4th line center.

again, carter move was great, richards one not so much, but we've gotten a shit ton back in return.


the flyers FO is more comfortable with JVR and Giroux being the future of the team instead Carter and Richards. can't say i hate that decision.

bonzo48280 07-03-2011 03:07 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MDrums54 (Post 12744118)
actually, richards and carter will be replaced by schenn and (probably) couturier. you also seemed to have forgotten about voracek and simmonds, who between the two of them can make up for richards defensive play as well as his playmaking abilities. carcillo sucke, leino was inconsistent, and powe is no different than any other gritty 4th line center.

again, carter move was great, richards one not so much, but we've gotten a shit ton back in return.


the flyers FO is more comfortable with JVR and Giroux being the future of the team instead Carter and Richards. can't say i hate that decision.

Schenn still has some growing to go, but yeah he's nasty. Can't say I agree on Voracek or Simmonds, especially simmonds. Can totally agree on JVR and Giroux though, they made the right choice on that.

efraser77 07-03-2011 10:52 PM

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Wow. Goodbye Dany Heatley, hello Martin Havlat.

What will we do with the extra 1.3 mil in cap space?

efraser77 07-03-2011 11:41 PM

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Actually, we save $2.5 mil in cap space. Now have 20 players signed and just over $6 mil more available. Hmm...

UCFish 07-03-2011 11:51 PM

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Sharks got Havlat?....not too shabby

efraser77 07-03-2011 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 12744694)
Sharks got Havlat?....not too shabby

I like it. Last year Heater had 26 goals on the Sharks, Havlat had 22 on a team with no offense. And in his two years with SJ, Heater had only 5 goals in 32 playoff games. Nowhere near good enough for a $7.5 million player. And another significant thing is Havlat's locked up for four more years. As it was, Thornton, Marleau, Heatley, Pavelski and Boyle were all scheduled to be UFAs at the same time.

UCFish 07-04-2011 12:04 AM

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I like that trade for you....Enjoyed Havlat on the Hawks...

DMBCubs25 07-04-2011 03:00 AM

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Heatley has to be awful in the dressing room...

bradshaw06 07-04-2011 04:19 AM

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dunno if it was said, but talbots contract violates the cba, flyers are going to have to fix it

dmbetc 07-04-2011 07:52 AM

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Aside from Heatly being a DMB fan, I have no respect for him. Glad to see the sharks trade him off.

lockman21 07-04-2011 08:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 12744841)
Heatley has to be awful in the dressing room...

Havlat has been said to be awful as well.

TMoore4075 07-04-2011 08:36 AM

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I don't know who wins this trade. Minny gets some offense but SJ clears cap room. I'm not sure Havlat is going to help out that much. Heatley had a down year this year but the previous 2 had 39 each. Marty's never done that.

TMoore4075 07-04-2011 12:51 PM

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Biggest free agent buts:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.1.html

Rangers are on there 7 times I think.

JRS1386 07-04-2011 01:19 PM

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Is that link n/h?

~Crashintome89~ 07-05-2011 09:32 AM

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My man Chris Gratton taking the cake.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 09:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12746518)
My man Chris Gratton taking the cake.

Yeah that was a bad one. Flyers made some...interesting moves from 97-99.

For the Wings on there twice, Krupp would have been ok if healthy. Cujo I blame totally on Wings ownership/management. When you pushed him aside for Hasek after your entire team stunk it up against the Ducks. Forget that Hasek hadn't been on the ice since he won the Cup a year earlier and then Hasek couldn't stay healthy and they had to turn back to Cujo. Then he got hurt Legace got the chance and stunk in the first 4 games against the Preds and they had to go back to Cujo AGAIN an he bailed your ass out by giving up 1 goal in two games to win the series. That's why I was ok with getting a salary cap. Made the Wings have to make the right moves. They got greedy after their moves worked out in 02 and they tried stacking up which didn't work. Won more playoff games in 07 (not getting to the Finals) than they did in all of 03 and 04 playoffs combined.

joepsu0985 07-05-2011 11:09 AM

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Know what is crazy? No Stamkos news. No offer sheets. Nothing.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12746760)
Know what is crazy? No Stamkos news. No offer sheets. Nothing.

There was a report they were getting closer to a deal. 5 years and 37mil was the last offer supposedly. We'll see.

lockman21 07-05-2011 11:37 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12745177)
Biggest free agent buts:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.1.html

Rangers are on there 7 times I think.

Lots of Blackhawks too.

God, I hate reading about Huet.

joepsu0985 07-05-2011 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12746790)
There was a report they were getting closer to a deal. 5 years and 37mil was the last offer supposedly. We'll see.

I thought someone would put out an offer sheet with the Cap floor where it was at. A few years ago, it almost certainly happens.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 12746845)
Lots of Blackhawks too.

God, I hate reading about Huet.

Yeah. Campbell was bad but at least he provided something. Campbell it was more the length anyways, at least to me. Huet had never done anything to deserve that and I can't imagine there was a bidding war for the guy. And Campbell, at least with hockey fans, had name recognition. I bet even people who followed the game might not have known who the guy was. I'll scratch my head on that one for a while.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 02:30 PM

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Ladd signs a 4 year deal with the Jets and avoids arbitration. 4.4mil cap hit.

Rumors Conklin will be signing with the Wings. Totally fine if that's true.

fonzz41 07-05-2011 02:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12747389)
Ladd signs a 4 year deal with the Jets and avoids arbitration. 4.4mil cap hit.

Rumors Conklin will be signing with the Wings. Totally fine if that's true.

I love Conklin for what he does. A very capable and dependable backup. A little surprised, as I thought MacDonald did a pretty respectable job and they'd give him the backup job.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 12747477)
I love Conklin for what he does. A very capable and dependable backup. A little surprised, as I thought MacDonald did a pretty respectable job and they'd give him the backup job.

From what I've heard he wanted a one-way deal and the Wings wanted a two-way deal to add depth in the minors since most of their goalies are pretty young. I thought he did well too. Much better than I expected.

I like Conklin a lot too. He's Manny Legace. The perfect backup. Can come in, play strong but can't go right back to the bench. Legace proved in St. Louis he wasn't exactly starter material.

UCFish 07-05-2011 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12746863)
Yeah. Campbell was bad but at least he provided something. Campbell it was more the length anyways, at least to me. Huet had never done anything to deserve that and I can't imagine there was a bidding war for the guy. And Campbell, at least with hockey fans, had name recognition. I bet even people who followed the game might not have known who the guy was. I'll scratch my head on that one for a while.

Campbell helped win a cup....overpaid yes but if you win I think it is worth it.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 12747596)
Campbell helped win a cup....overpaid yes but if you win I think it is worth it.

Fact that you only had to pay him for 3 of the 8 years and won a Cup I think is the complete victory.

MacGuyver 07-05-2011 04:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12746760)
Know what is crazy? No Stamkos news. No offer sheets. Nothing.

Here is my rant from another forum:

I do not get, for the life of me, why this is not being talked about more. Yes, it is a kick in the balls to the GM who has to make a tough call between matching the offer sheet or taking the draft picks. But this is a chance to get a franchise player. I mean there are three of them out there. Stammer. Doughty. And you could probably argue Yandle as well. This isn't a freaking gentleman's club. This is competitive. You paint yourself into a corner with salaries (St Louis, lecav, malone, etc.), you are a low budget team, and now you can't afford Stammer, well too bad. These aren't on the cusp players. they are already stars to superstars.

If the rival GM chooses to pick on you five years down the road, so be it. but that shouldn't detract from offers being made. These offers are made all the time in the NBA and it's just accepted. Take care of your RFAs or else someone might swoop in and take them.

I am just appalled that not one offer has been made to any of the significant RFAs.

I heard Loiselle on the radio with Bobcat a few days ago. "we won't submit an offer sheet because the other team will just match". Then make a high offer sheet and make them commit, at least its strategic.

WTF???

wampa3 07-05-2011 04:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12747389)
Ladd signs a 4 year deal with the Jets and avoids arbitration. 4.4mil cap hit.

Rumors Conklin will be signing with the Wings. Totally fine if that's true.

Still kind of surreal to me to see these words written

lockman21 07-05-2011 04:19 PM

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Good deal on Ladd. Only guy I really still miss.















Besides Burish, obviously. Really miss Bur.

dduncan6er 07-05-2011 04:57 PM

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I heard on Boston radio that Kaberle is likely going to Carolina for 3 years/$12.75 mil.

dduncan6er 07-05-2011 05:00 PM

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And the Bruins picked up Joe Corvo for a 4th rounder.

dduncan6er 07-05-2011 05:04 PM

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I guess Corvo could help the power play. But I hate the fact that he's a woman beating POS.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 05:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 12747800)
Still kind of surreal to me to see these words written

It was weird typing it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGuyver (Post 12747787)
Here is my rant from another forum:

I do not get, for the life of me, why this is not being talked about more. Yes, it is a kick in the balls to the GM who has to make a tough call between matching the offer sheet or taking the draft picks. But this is a chance to get a franchise player. I mean there are three of them out there. Stammer. Doughty. And you could probably argue Yandle as well. This isn't a freaking gentleman's club. This is competitive. You paint yourself into a corner with salaries (St Louis, lecav, malone, etc.), you are a low budget team, and now you can't afford Stammer, well too bad. These aren't on the cusp players. they are already stars to superstars.

If the rival GM chooses to pick on you five years down the road, so be it. but that shouldn't detract from offers being made. These offers are made all the time in the NBA and it's just accepted. Take care of your RFAs or else someone might swoop in and take them.

I am just appalled that not one offer has been made to any of the significant RFAs.

I heard Loiselle on the radio with Bobcat a few days ago. "we won't submit an offer sheet because the other team will just match". Then make a high offer sheet and make them commit, at least its strategic.

WTF???

I don't know if it's they can't afford it, Vinick is a billionaire, or that they aren't going to just throw money at him. They want something that makes sense for both sides. If Yzerman learned anything from Holland it's you don't start bidding against yourself. You pay what's fair. He could get a deal for 9mil if he wanted to offer it but they want a competitive team.

As for just putting an offer sheet to kinda screw them, is that what you are getting at? Well there is a lot of work that goes into the contract so to do all that for nothing? Also you get into the risk that they don't match, the only way they don't is if it's a stupid contract, and the only ones who can afford an unmatchable stupid contract in terms of cap space probably can't afford it in terms of actual dollars.

fonzz41 07-05-2011 05:40 PM

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Getting Yandle signed must be a huge relief for PHX. He will be a premier d-man in this league for a long time, although we may not always notice because of where he plays.

TMoore4075 07-05-2011 07:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 12748050)
Getting Yandle signed must be a huge relief for PHX. He will be a premier d-man in this league for a long time, although we may not always notice because of where he plays.

Agreed. Although, maybe he/they will be somewhere else next year. Wonder if that was talked about during negotiations. Buff admitted it was talked about during his talks with the then Atlanta Thrashers.

bonzo48280 07-05-2011 11:51 PM

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Campoli says he wants $3 million and Frolik says he wants $2.5. I haven't stopped laughing at those numbers yet.

~Crashintome89~ 07-06-2011 12:03 AM

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Frolik should be lucky if he gets 1.5 mil

lockman21 07-06-2011 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12749230)
Campoli says he wants $3 million and Frolik says he wants $2.5. I haven't stopped laughing at those numbers yet.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol Yup.

bonzo48280 07-06-2011 12:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12749264)
Frolik should be lucky if he gets 1.5 mil

he's not even arbitration eligible either. Somebody is getting traded, I have no doubts.

MacGuyver 07-06-2011 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12747998)
It was weird typing it.


I don't know if it's they can't afford it, Vinick is a billionaire, or that they aren't going to just throw money at him. They want something that makes sense for both sides. If Yzerman learned anything from Holland it's you don't start bidding against yourself. You pay what's fair. He could get a deal for 9mil if he wanted to offer it but they want a competitive team.

As for just putting an offer sheet to kinda screw them, is that what you are getting at? Well there is a lot of work that goes into the contract so to do all that for nothing? Also you get into the risk that they don't match, the only way they don't is if it's a stupid contract, and the only ones who can afford an unmatchable stupid contract in terms of cap space probably can't afford it in terms of actual dollars.

Like I said, this isn't just for any player. we always talk about teh big 3. Stammer is probably the number 4 player in the league. Pittsburgh and Washington seem to do just fine with having one player making 20% of the salary cap (or did when they signed crosby and OV to those deals). Infact pitts won the cup having pretty much two superstars, a decent to good goalie, and a decent defense core. You can win in this league building around 1-2 max players and spreading the rest of the $$$ appropriately.

You're telling me it isn't worth offering stammer ten million over ten years? would you consider that a stupid contract? The kid is 21 after all.

For the life of me I just don't understand it. Why the hell hasn't a team at least offered anything out to him. :BANG:BANG

fonzz41 07-06-2011 10:30 AM

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Tweet from Buccigross (and others):

Quote:

Tampa has reportedly offered Steve Stamkos 5 -year deal for $37.5 million, cap hit of $7.5 million a season. If true, it's fair. He's 21.

MacGuyver 07-06-2011 10:37 AM

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It's fair but a team like the leafs, who have the financial wherewithal to max out their cap, bury salaries in the minors, etc. should be offering him over 10 per. 96 goals in two seasons and he's 21. so what if this jacks up salaries league wide. Isn't it about winning and being competitive??

TMoore4075 07-06-2011 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGuyver (Post 12749813)
Like I said, this isn't just for any player. we always talk about teh big 3. Stammer is probably the number 4 player in the league. Pittsburgh and Washington seem to do just fine with having one player making 20% of the salary cap (or did when they signed crosby and OV to those deals). Infact pitts won the cup having pretty much two superstars, a decent to good goalie, and a decent defense core. You can win in this league building around 1-2 max players and spreading the rest of the $$$ appropriately.

You're telling me it isn't worth offering stammer ten million over ten years? would you consider that a stupid contract? The kid is 21 after all.

For the life of me I just don't understand it. Why the hell hasn't a team at least offered anything out to him. :BANG:BANG

I was typing a long thought out response and of course closed the tab. Anyways so you later mention the Leafs. You really think Brian Burke will be offering that to Stammer? The guy who told his young players in Anaheim they couldn't pick their number as a rookie they had to earn that? You can bury guys all you want but you have to have players around you. The Pens are built around Malkin and Crosby but it wasn't them who won the Cup, at least not the Finals. They combined for 3 goals in that series I think against the Wings. Talbot alone had 4. Staal and Kennedy both had 2 each. Crosby was invisible for the most part. The Sedins this year did nothing in the Finals. You can have as many superstars as you want but it's the other guys who make a difference.

Edit: Burke JUST NOW said "Burke: "I do not believe players are going to play nine or 10 years on some of these contracts that have been signed."

Same goes for the Flyers. They would have to trade away stuff to be able to afford Stamkos. Most likely would have to work a deal with TB (can't imagine anyone would want to help them get Stamkos) and there is nothing the Flyers have that would be enough to get a return for Stamkos. Plus even if you did that, it's tough to fill out your roster with good enough talent. Ask the Hawks.

Yzerman is taking his time. He's learned from the best. He's trying to come up with a deal that works for both sides and still let him to put a team together. Downie, Purcell and Bergenheim were all right there with Stamkos in scoring in the playoffs. He's going to try and create a culture like the Red Wings have. Take a little less, you'll still get paid well, and we'll put a team around you and give you the best chance to win. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Franzen, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Stuart and Howard are all signed and have 7mil in cap space.

The teams that have the cap space and a roster spot for him are the Stars, Canes, Preds, Avs, Sens, Jets and Coyotes. All are small market teams or don't have owners right now.

dduncan6er 07-06-2011 11:01 AM

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Signing Stamkos to a 10 year $10 million deal would guarantee the Leafs would not win a cup within the next 10 years.

MacGuyver 07-06-2011 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12749961)
I was typing a long thought out response and of course closed the tab. Anyways so you later mention the Leafs. You really think Brian Burke will be offering that to Stammer? The guy who told his young players in Anaheim they couldn't pick their number as a rookie they had to earn that? You can bury guys all you want but you have to have players around you. The Pens are built around Malkin and Crosby but it wasn't them who won the Cup, at least not the Finals. They combined for 3 goals in that series I think against the Wings. Talbot alone had 4. Staal and Kennedy both had 2 each. Crosby was invisible for the most part. The Sedins this year did nothing in the Finals. You can have as many superstars as you want but it's the other guys who make a difference.

Edit: Burke JUST NOW said "Burke: "I do not believe players are going to play nine or 10 years on some of these contracts that have been signed."

Same goes for the Flyers. They would have to trade away stuff to be able to afford Stamkos. Most likely would have to work a deal with TB (can't imagine anyone would want to help them get Stamkos) and there is nothing the Flyers have that would be enough to get a return for Stamkos. Plus even if you did that, it's tough to fill out your roster with good enough talent. Ask the Hawks.

Yzerman is taking his time. He's learned from the best. He's trying to come up with a deal that works for both sides and still let him to put a team together. Downie, Purcell and Bergenheim were all right there with Stamkos in scoring in the playoffs. He's going to try and create a culture like the Red Wings have. Take a little less, you'll still get paid well, and we'll put a team around you and give you the best chance to win. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Franzen, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Stuart and Howard are all signed and have 7mil in cap space.

The teams that have the cap space and a roster spot for him are the Stars, Canes, Preds, Avs, Sens, Jets and Coyotes. All are small market teams or don't have owners right now.


Sorry man, respecfully disagree.

It's one thing to tell your rookies that. Stammer isn't a rookie. He's been in the league three years, gone through an alright rookie season, and has now scored 96 goals in his last two years as a 19 and 20 year old. He has earned his pedigree as the best player outside of the Big 3 and is a bonified superstar at the age of 21. Not sure you can deny that.

I agre you have to have players around you. Would you not argue it is harder to obtain a superstar though than the players you mention - Talbot, Staal, Kennedy.. etc. Is it not easier to sign players of this ilk if you can tell them, why don't you come to our team and join our superstar Stamkos? Conversely, you can have all of these players but it's getting the stars that puts you over the top.

And about not producing in the finals, if I recall correctly Malkin won the mvp of the playoffs so he must have done something right in the first three rounds. And I'm pretty sure those two superstars greatly assisted them in making the playoffs in the first place. How did Pittsburgh do without their big two guns this year? They sure looked different when Crosby was playing.

Where did you hear Burke say that? At any rate, I am 100% positive he is talking about the 30 year olds not playing their ten years, i.e. Bryz, Richards, Hossa, etc. It is asinine to think that if you sign Stamkos to a 10 year deal he will not be playing at the age of 31. And probably playing at a really high level too.

I agree 100% with your thoughts on Yzerman following the detroit model. But that shouldn't stop a rival GM from jumping in and making the pitch. Why not the Jets? perfect situation, need a star, it's in Canada, they have a rich owner, etc. Why not the leafs? Think of the marketing potential.

I'd rather have a GM who is active (not saying Burke has been inactive) and trying to acquire a superstar then one who sits back and says we shouldn't even bother. Again, screw the ethics, it's in the CBA and it's meant to take advantage of. Put the offer sheet out. See if they match. If they do, well, you can say you tried to get the 4th best player in the league.

TMoore4075 07-06-2011 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGuyver (Post 12750077)
Sorry man, respecfully disagree.

It's one thing to tell your rookies that. Stammer isn't a rookie. He's been in the league three years, gone through an alright rookie season, and has now scored 96 goals in his last two years as a 19 and 20 year old. He has earned his pedigree as the best player outside of the Big 3 and is a bonified superstar at the age of 21. Not sure you can deny that.

I agre you have to have players around you. Would you not argue it is harder to obtain a superstar though than the players you mention - Talbot, Staal, Kennedy.. etc. Is it not easier to sign players of this ilk if you can tell them, why don't you come to our team and join our superstar Stamkos? Conversely, you can have all of these players but it's getting the stars that puts you over the top.

And about not producing in the finals, if I recall correctly Malkin won the mvp of the playoffs so he must have done something right in the first three rounds. And I'm pretty sure those two superstars greatly assisted them in making the playoffs in the first place. How did Pittsburgh do without their big two guns this year? They sure looked different when Crosby was playing.

Where did you hear Burke say that? At any rate, I am 100% positive he is talking about the 30 year olds not playing their ten years, i.e. Bryz, Richards, Hossa, etc. It is asinine to think that if you sign Stamkos to a 10 year deal he will not be playing at the age of 31. And probably playing at a really high level too.

I agree 100% with your thoughts on Yzerman following the detroit model. But that shouldn't stop a rival GM from jumping in and making the pitch. Why not the Jets? perfect situation, need a star, it's in Canada, they have a rich owner, etc. Why not the leafs? Think of the marketing potential.

I'd rather have a GM who is active (not saying Burke has been inactive) and trying to acquire a superstar then one who sits back and says we shouldn't even bother. Again, screw the ethics, it's in the CBA and it's meant to take advantage of. Put the offer sheet out. See if they match. If they do, well, you can say you tried to get the 4th best player in the league.

Burke just said it this afternoon at a press conference and said they will not be tendering offer sheets. You really think the Leafs who just lost out on 2 first round picks (while missing the playoffs) will go another 4 years without one of their own? I know Stamkos is great but with a cap you need your picks. Leafs don't have much depth in their organization thanks to previous management.

Stamkos is top talent. Not denying that. Just looking at the teams with the cap space and the financial power to pull that off, there aren't enough.

The Jets are a small market team. They have the ownership but their ownership wants to be financially viable too. They can't afford to be at the ceiling. Expect them to be more like what the Sabres were doing before. I gave my reasons for the Leafs above. Marketing in Canada? Do they need that? The Leafs sellout every game. Their fans are dumb enough to buy tickets already.

Malkin and Crosby got them to the Finals for sure but still take out Talbot, probably even more so Staal since his SH goal in game 4 tied the game, they don't win the Cup. He doesn't score maybe the Wings go up 3-1 in that game which would have put them up 3-1 in the series.

Again I have nothing wrong with the ethics of it. It's there and you can use it. I'm just pointing out that the teams who have the cap space can't afford it because they are small markets. The teams who don't have the cap space will have to trade off good players to get him in since they'll have to give him 10mil or more a year. Anything at 8-9mil gets matched. Also I wonder if the CBA has something to do with it. Cap could very well get lowered next year. It lowers to lets say 55mil it would be tough to field a team. Maybe for once some GM's are planning for the future. If teams need to get under the cap there will be buyouts or trades and you can grab some of that maybe.

dduncan6er 07-06-2011 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12750264)
Burke just said it this afternoon at a press conference and said they will not be tendering offer sheets. You really think the Leafs who just lost out on 2 first round picks (while missing the playoffs) will go another 4 years without one of their own? I know Stamkos is great but with a cap you need your picks. Leafs don't have much depth in their organization thanks to previous management.

Stamkos is top talent. Not denying that. Just looking at the teams with the cap space and the financial power to pull that off, there aren't enough.

The Jets are a small market team. They have the ownership but their ownership wants to be financially viable too. They can't afford to be at the ceiling. Expect them to be more like what the Sabres were doing before. I gave my reasons for the Leafs above. Marketing in Canada? Do they need that? The Leafs sellout every game. Their fans are dumb enough to buy tickets already.

Malkin and Crosby got them to the Finals for sure but still take out Talbot, probably even more so Staal since his SH goal in game 4 tied the game, they don't win the Cup. He doesn't score maybe the Wings go up 3-1 in that game which would have put them up 3-1 in the series.

Again I have nothing wrong with the ethics of it. It's there and you can use it. I'm just pointing out that the teams who have the cap space can't afford it because they are small markets. The teams who don't have the cap space will have to trade off good players to get him in since they'll have to give him 10mil or more a year. Anything at 8-9mil gets matched. Also I wonder if the CBA has something to do with it. Cap could very well get lowered next year. It lowers to lets say 55mil it would be tough to field a team. Maybe for once some GM's are planning for the future. If teams need to get under the cap there will be buyouts or trades and you can grab some of that maybe.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

TMoore4075 07-06-2011 12:57 PM

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Sounds like Langenbrunner and Arnott are going to sign with the Blues.

fonzz41 07-06-2011 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12750438)
Sounds like Langenbrunner and Arnott are going to sign with the Blues.

That'll up the ol' average age on the Blues roster a bit.

TMoore4075 07-06-2011 01:03 PM

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Speaking of age, do we have a site that gives us the average age of NHL teams?

Bron Yr Aur 07-06-2011 01:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12749293)
he's not even arbitration eligible either. Somebody is getting traded, I have no doubts.

He has literally zero leverage, I don't really see what he's doing. If Stan falls for the trap and gives him more than $2mil a year for more than a year or two, that will be a huge mistake.

However, I'd much rather have Frolik for around $2mil than Campoli for $2.25 - 2.5m.

bonzo48280 07-06-2011 01:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 12750450)
That'll up the ol' average age on the Blues roster a bit.

It will still be great when our fourth line demolishes that team next year, always always always great when the Hawks and Blues play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 12750461)
He has literally zero leverage, I don't really see what he's doing. If Stan falls for the trap and gives him more than $2mil a year for more than a year or two, that will be a huge mistake.

However, I'd much rather have Frolik for around $2mil than Campoli for $2.25 - 2.5m.

Stan is not going to overpay anybody. Those days are over. Stalberg is close to a deal and they aren't going to get to arbitration for him, and Bowman isn't going to lose Campoli for nothing. Maybe Frolik and Campoli get packaged for that 2nd line center? Who knows.

Bron Yr Aur 07-06-2011 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12750488)
Stan is not going to overpay anybody. Those days are over. Stalberg is close to a deal and they aren't going to get to arbitration for him, and Bowman isn't going to lose Campoli for nothing. Maybe Frolik and Campoli get packaged for that 2nd line center? Who knows.

Honestly, I don't think any major moves are going to be made.

And wouldn't it be advantageous to go to arb. with Stalberg and Campoli? Would give them a loophole to buy out fucking Olesz (pg. 51 http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf)....

Even though I don't think they want to buy-out, seems like they think this guy can play a role for the team next year. IMO, that's a big mistake.

DMBCubs25 07-06-2011 01:49 PM

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I don't see anyone giving up a quality 2nd line center for Frolik and Campoli, that would be a terrible return for them.

bonzo48280 07-06-2011 01:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 12750556)
Honestly, I don't think any major moves are going to be made.

And wouldn't it be advantageous to go to arb. with Stalberg and Campoli? Would give them a loophole to buy out fucking Olesz (pg. 51 http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf)....

Even though I don't think they want to buy-out, seems like they think this guy can play a role for the team next year. IMO, that's a big mistake.

you've been reading 300level too much. :lol

The Hawks already have that extra buyout because they filed for arbitration. Stalberg is going to get a deal done before his hearing. Campoli is just being an idiot thinking he deserves a higher payday because of how overpaid everyone became this year, but he is restricted and that lowers how much you get, unless you're Stamkos.

I think that there is no possible way the Hawks are done. Name me the centers on this team, the true centers, Sharp doesn't count:

Toews
Bolland

Kruger is good and has a great future, but I don't want him running the third line already next season. Sharp could probably play 2nd line C and put Bolland at 3rd line, but then who is your 4th line center? Mayers? He hasn't played there in a while. I would much rather have a Faceoff specialist in that spot to do that. If you ask me this team still needs 2 centers, a 2nd and a 4th. Mayers could be the 4th line center and Sharp could be 2nd line center, but we all know both are better on the wings.

DMBCubs25 07-06-2011 02:00 PM

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Agree on the 2nd-line center, I really don't want to have to move Sharp back there. Our best hope is to acquire that guy via trade but I can't think of any names off the top of my head that would fill that.

bonzo48280 07-06-2011 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 12750753)
Agree on the 2nd-line center, I really don't want to have to move Sharp back there. Our best hope is to acquire that guy via trade but I can't think of any names off the top of my head that would fill that.

Dubinsky or Callahan from the Rangers come to mind immediately.
Stoll from the Kings comes to mind, they need wingers.

DMBCubs25 07-06-2011 02:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12750760)
Dubinsky or Callahan from the Rangers come to mind immediately.
Stoll from the Kings comes to mind, they need wingers.

I doubt LA would trade within the conference.

What's the Rags cap situation after Richards? I don't know why they would give up either of those two unless they were in a serious bind.

TMoore4075 07-06-2011 02:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 12750774)
I doubt LA would trade within the conference.

What's the Rags cap situation after Richards? I don't know why they would give up either of those two unless they were in a serious bind.

15mil in cap space and 7 roster spots to fill. They should be fine.

fonzz41 07-06-2011 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12750760)
Dubinsky or Callahan from the Rangers come to mind immediately.

Good luck prying these guys from NYR. They, along with Staal and Hank, are the core of the Rangers. Wouldn't be surprised to see Callahan wear the C next year.

But yes, there is a definite need for a second line center on the Hawks. Patrick Stefan? Rico Fata?

DMBCubs25 07-06-2011 02:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 12750872)
Good luck prying these guys from NYR. They, along with Staal and Hank, are the core of the Rangers. Wouldn't be surprised to see Callahan wear the C next year.

But yes, there is a definite need for a second line center on the Hawks. Patrick Stefan? Rico Fata?

Fata for sure!

TMoore4075 07-06-2011 03:01 PM

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Craig Ramsay will be an assistant coach with the Panthers. Was hoping he would come here. Dang it.

sgtpeppr 07-06-2011 03:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12751029)
Craig Ramsay will be an assistant coach with the Panthers. Was hoping he would come here. Dang it.

Wow Panthers are going all out to turn it around. Should be interesting to see if they can do it.

Bron Yr Aur 07-06-2011 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12750731)
you've been reading 300level too much. :lol

The Hawks already have that extra buyout because they filed for arbitration. Stalberg is going to get a deal done before his hearing. Campoli is just being an idiot thinking he deserves a higher payday because of how overpaid everyone became this year, but he is restricted and that lowers how much you get, unless you're Stamkos.

I think that there is no possible way the Hawks are done. Name me the centers on this team, the true centers, Sharp doesn't count:

Toews
Bolland

Kruger is good and has a great future, but I don't want him running the third line already next season. Sharp could probably play 2nd line C and put Bolland at 3rd line, but then who is your 4th line center? Mayers? He hasn't played there in a while. I would much rather have a Faceoff specialist in that spot to do that. If you ask me this team still needs 2 centers, a 2nd and a 4th. Mayers could be the 4th line center and Sharp could be 2nd line center, but we all know both are better on the wings.

I don't know why we don't just sign Madden. Guy can win faceoffs and has the ability to put the puck in the net when the opportunity arises. I just cannot stand the idea of a 4th line of Stalberg-Mayers-Carcillo, Mayers-Kruger-Stalberg/Carcillo or whatever....gross.

Of course, I agree that the team needs two more centers, don't know if Stan agrees. I think they will bump Bolland up to the 2C and play Kruger on the 3rd line.

kev87lads 07-06-2011 03:18 PM

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I know the Flyers have their share of questionable move sso far, but I still can't stop :lol 'in at the fact that some team gave Carcillo a contract. :lol

bonzo48280 07-06-2011 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 12751087)
I know the Flyers have their share of questionable move sso far, but I still can't stop :lol 'in at the fact that some team gave Carcillo a contract. :lol

I don't get it. He's a 4th line guy who got a near minimum amount for one year. There are lots of guys I would rather not have than Carcillo

Bron Yr Aur 07-06-2011 04:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12751175)
I don't get it. He's a 4th line guy who got a near minimum amount for one year. There are lots of guys I would rather not have than Carcillo

...and with as many players as we already have, he may be healthy scratched for half the season.

~Crashintome89~ 07-06-2011 04:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 12751087)
I know the Flyers have their share of questionable move sso far, but I still can't stop :lol 'in at the fact that some team gave Carcillo a contract. :lol

The fact that it's the Blackhawks, with the guys in here, makes it even better. :lol:lol

JRS1386 07-06-2011 07:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12751320)
The fact that it's the Blackhawks, with the guys in here, makes it even better. :lol:lol

I love how they are justifying it :lol

bonzo48280 07-06-2011 07:44 PM

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I'm not justifying anything, I just don't get why a big deal is made of one guy signed to a one year deal near league minimum and will probably be scratched half the season?

kev87lads 07-06-2011 07:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12751888)
I'm not justifying anything, I just don't get why a big deal is made of one guy signed to a one year deal near league minimum and will probably be scratched half the season?

If he's going to be scratched half the season, then why sign him?

UCFish 07-06-2011 07:48 PM

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I still hate the deal...because I hate him and all that he stands for


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