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ToySoldier#34 10-05-2022 04:17 PM

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I don't see how an argument can be made that DMB has been good at releasing new music over the last 17+ years regardless of any other bands doing anything, I think they are still an absolutely great live band and that seems to be their focus

nyr201 10-05-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BarkRock (Post 18276005)
Yep. And I always say, take it for what it is worth... I am not claiming to have 1st generation connections, but share what I can.

On a side note, I mentioned Nathaniel Rateliff releasing new album info soon. I know it isn't Dave, but my sources are all connected. They just played a new song on the 30th and said we'd be hearing it very soon outside of hearing it live. I have some industry connections, so I'll let you all know what I can give.


This is AMAZING news. They're easily my favorite band these days and they keep getting better. Last album was perfect.

NewOrleans 10-05-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr201 (Post 18276100)
This is AMAZING news. They're easily my favorite band these days and they keep getting better. Last album was perfect.

Agreed! Top notch shows and songs. They could vary their sets up a bit more, but I've seen them 12 times over the last 7 years and never disappointed.

BotheLaneFan 10-05-2022 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34 (Post 18276099)
I don't see how an argument can be made that DMB has been good at releasing new music over the last 17+ years regardless of any other bands doing anything, I think they are still an absolutely great live band and that seems to be their focus

They did great with Big Whiskey, including the media campaign behind it. Then they went to Europe and it all ended

ToySoldier#34 10-05-2022 04:32 PM

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I mean I'm as crazy about DMB as anyone else, but I really don't think of them as being a studio band at all over the course of time I pointed out. That doesn't mean I think all the albums suck, I don't, or that there aren't solid tracks that have been released.

BarkRock 10-05-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276092)
Really?! I love NRATNS! They just had an album come out last fall though? That's a pretty quick turnaround. Typically bands do at least 2 years of tours on new material these days.

Yeah!, they did a ton of writing and have something close to being ready. The Future was released last Nov.

New Tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paYz22KskQE

This is the song I mentioned way back that they really liked and it was their favorite song that didn't make The Future.

BarkRock 10-05-2022 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276104)
Agreed! Top notch shows and songs. They could vary their sets up a bit more, but I've seen them 12 times over the last 7 years and never disappointed.

I agree. Sets are very similar, but I think that is their formula right now to attract new fans. I don't think deep cuts make a difference with their music, because it only goes back 7 years.

NightShadow577 10-05-2022 05:22 PM

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hey guys, any update on the album. iím a bit out of the loop so i was wondering if thereís something that came up that flew over my radar

jjlak15 10-05-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BarkRock (Post 18276146)
I agree. Sets are very similar, but I think that is their formula right now to attract new fans. I don't think deep cuts make a difference with their music, because it only goes back 7 years.

Ive seen them 3 times I believe and always put on a good show. Last October they played outside Wrigley, which was amazing.

Tip for anyone that wants to see a show at Gallagher Way. Don't buy a ticket, just book a table for the outside upper level at Brickhouse. Free concert, minus buying food and drink.

NewOrleans 10-05-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NightShadow577 (Post 18276177)
hey guys, any update on the album. iím a bit out of the loop so i was wondering if thereís something that came up that flew over my radar

Nathaniel Rateliff is going to release a new album.

RSSR 10-05-2022 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BTBaboon (Post 18275840)
No thanks. Double albums rarely meet the bar, and with a band like this there's going to be SO much filler that is just crap.

What if the double album gives us all the songs we wanted on CT and more with what they're already giving us. Like I said, I think they do have the songs to make it feasible.

Alpine416 10-05-2022 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RSSR (Post 18276188)
What if the double album gives us all the songs we wanted on CT and more with what they're already giving us. Like I said, I think they do have the songs to make it feasible.

It seems everyone is pretty confident the band will make the worst possible decisions as to what will be put on it and what would get regular play live following the release.

YankeesDMB41 10-05-2022 05:41 PM

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DMB probably has more beloved unreleased songs than any other band in history. Granny, JTR, Sweet Up and Down, Sugar Will, Break Free, Break For It, Shotgun, Loving Wings, Sister, Crazy Easy, Joyride, #40. I'm sure im missing some, but those are all beloved songs that every fan of the band knows. It makes no sense why these songs have never been on an album :lol

YankeesDMB41 10-05-2022 05:44 PM

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Another thought as I backread:

Most bands follow the formula of write songs -> create album -> album tour. DMB seems to flip it. They write the songs, perform them for an entire tour (a short LP album tour if you will), and then decide to make an album. That doesn't really make sense to me. I just heard Madmen's Eyes, The Only Thing, Windows, Walk Around The Moon played for an entire tour. That's kind of the point of an album tour. If the Breaks end up being on this album, then we basically already had the album tour.

NightShadow577 10-05-2022 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276186)
Nathaniel Rateliff is going to release a new album.

iíll take that as a no

karczews41 10-05-2022 05:51 PM

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I saw Nathaniel Rateliff at the Apollo and they were good, their opener Caamp was better.

DMB1JW 10-05-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276186)
Nathaniel Rateliff is going to release a new album.

Hell yes. I'll take it.

The Future is fantastic

Alpine416 10-05-2022 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41 (Post 18276207)
Another thought as I backread:

Most bands follow the formula of write songs -> create album -> album tour. DMB seems to flip it. They write the songs, perform them for an entire tour (a short LP album tour if you will), and then decide to make an album. That doesn't really make sense to me. I just heard Madmen's Eyes, The Only Thing, Windows, Walk Around The Moon played for an entire tour. That's kind of the point of an album tour. If the Breaks end up being on this album, then we basically already had the album tour.

Still pretty convinced this tour was supposed to be the album tour.

great_divide_4 10-05-2022 06:17 PM

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It def was an album tour lol

ToySoldier#34 10-05-2022 06:25 PM

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I really do wonder what Stefan thinks about all of it

Tomacco 10-05-2022 06:46 PM

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The thing that made it unlike a normal album tour is that you only ever got 1-2 new songs per show (or 3 if STTMB was in the encore). On a real album tour, they would have played almost all (or all) those songs at every venue.

JZ4140 10-05-2022 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by karczews41 (Post 18276214)
I saw Nathaniel Rateliff at the Apollo and they were good, their opener Caamp was better.

Caamp has my favorite album of the year so far

kmbean 10-05-2022 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34 (Post 18276236)
I really do wonder what Stefan thinks about all of it

Heís thinking I hope some of those Vancouver tickets sell so I can finish the expansion on my Laguna Beach estate.

dpduke5173 10-05-2022 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BarkRock (Post 18276005)
Yep. And I always say, take it for what it is worth... I am not claiming to have 1st generation connections, but share what I can.

On a side note, I mentioned Nathaniel Rateliff releasing new album info soon. I know it isn't Dave, but my sources are all connected. They just played a new song on the 30th and said we'd be hearing it very soon outside of hearing it live. I have some industry connections, so I'll let you all know what I can give.

Was bummed they had to pull out of Farm Aid this year. Hadn't seen them since Raleigh 2018. Was looking forward to hearing tunes from The Future album live.

BarkRock 10-05-2022 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dpduke5173 (Post 18276276)
Was bummed they had to pull out of Farm Aid this year. Hadn't seen them since Raleigh 2018. Was looking forward to hearing tunes from The Future album live.

Yup. Same here. We have a BBQ with a lot of people each year for Farm Aid. Was looking forward to seeing them there also!

dancheatham 10-05-2022 09:56 PM

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On the topic of a "double album," I've noticed that several bands are marketing albums that take up two LPs as "double albums," even when they fit on a single CD (Kendrick Lamar, RHCP come to mind). Since that seems to be the trend in the industry, it actually wouldn't surprise me if they market the release as a "double album" even if it's only 60-70 minutes long.

dancheatham 10-05-2022 10:03 PM

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Really, if it's more than 35-40 minutes, they can get away with putting it on two vinyl discs and calling it a double album.

YankeesDMB41 10-05-2022 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dancheatham (Post 18276345)
On the topic of a "double album," I've noticed that several bands are marketing albums that take up two LPs as "double albums," even when they fit on a single CD (Kendrick Lamar, RHCP come to mind). Since that seems to be the trend in the industry, it actually wouldn't surprise me if they market the release as a "double album" even if it's only 60-70 minutes long.

Counting Crows too.

NewOrleans 10-05-2022 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41 (Post 18276200)
DMB probably has more beloved unreleased songs than any other band in history. Granny, JTR, Sweet Up and Down, Sugar Will, Break Free, Break For It, Shotgun, Loving Wings, Sister, Crazy Easy, Joyride, #40. I'm sure im missing some, but those are all beloved songs that every fan of the band knows. It makes no sense why these songs have never been on an album :lol

Grateful Dead had way more.

grilldanmo 10-06-2022 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34 (Post 18276099)
I don't see how an argument can be made that DMB has been good at releasing new music over the last 17+ years regardless of any other bands doing anything, I think they are still an absolutely great live band and that seems to be their focus

I made that comparison of the release cycles of Pearl Jam and Phish, which aren't too far off. So, they're all either equally good OR bad at releasing music... Although they are all rather close in how much and when they've released music, somehow DMB is more harshly judged by its fanbase. There seems to be a level of expectation or even entitlement that is close to impossible for any band to live up to.

That said, I'm disappointed and even frustrated that we're likely looking at 2.5 years after Dave himself said "soon". There's no real reason they couldn't have released the new album in early 2021 and still release another new album in 2023. It's clear that there's no urgency within the organization.

Definitely recognize and appreciate how excellent a live band they are, but I'm still interested in hearing new music from the band. I just wish they were as interested in sharing new music with the fans.

vkratliff 10-06-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41 (Post 18276200)
DMB probably has more beloved unreleased songs than any other band in history. Granny, JTR, Sweet Up and Down, Sugar Will, Break Free, Break For It, Shotgun, Loving Wings, Sister, Crazy Easy, Joyride, #40. I'm sure im missing some, but those are all beloved songs that every fan of the band knows. It makes no sense why these songs have never been on an album :lol

This. And Get in Line, early Don't Burn the Pig, studio Minarets and Seek Up. Plus, think of all the songs that have been released as one-offs, B-sides, etc. that haven't been compiled into a collection: #27, Help Myself, Beach Ball, Joyride, Write a Song, Eh-Hee, etc. This band's vault is probably more coveted than a new album could ever be.

Sevenawinnr 10-06-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 18276422)
Definitely recognize and appreciate how excellent a live band they are, but I'm still interested in hearing new music from the band. I just wish they were as interested in sharing new music with the fans.


Think how much the fans bitch about every release they have come out with. Literally, even when BTCS came out people thought it wasnt good. Now we have better ways to connect and have our message reach some band members who are involved in social media. I can not believe that this does not affect them in some way. We go to the live shows because they are great live, then complain about their new music until it ages a few years (or continue complaining that they play new music). I sort of get why it takes them 4-6 years to come out with new albums. They dont have to, and we keep complaining about the quality when they do.

Nick11dx 10-06-2022 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sevenawinnr (Post 18276548)
Think how much the fans bitch about every release they have come out with. Literally, even when BTCS came out people thought it wasnt good. Now we have better ways to connect and have our message reach some band members who are involved in social media. I can not believe that this does not affect them in some way. We go to the live shows because they are great live, then complain about their new music until it ages a few years (or continue complaining that they play new music). I sort of get why it takes them 4-6 years to come out with new albums. They dont have to, and we keep complaining about the quality when they do.

People bitched about how Two Step sounded on the Crash album

ToySoldier#34 10-06-2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick11dx (Post 18276554)
People bitched about how Two Step sounded on the Crash album


Do you remember what the main complaints about it were? I'm genuinely curious, didn't know it was complained about at the time

btpeters 10-06-2022 01:37 PM

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I think one of the Crash complaints from the longtimers back then was the album was too electric, especially on Cry Freedom.

grilldanmo 10-06-2022 01:47 PM

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It's also funny the age bracket for fans. Someone posted about the ideal of playing new music live and THEN recording and releasing the music as odd. This was the way for many artists, most famously Pink Floyd. They'd work up new material in rehearsals and then hone it live over a run of shows or a small tour specifically for the purposes of figuring out how it would sound, how they would perform it, AND creating the actual stage show to accompany the music. It worked incredibly well for them until folks started bootlegging the shows and "spoiling" the releases and official distribution of new material. They only changed it as a result of bootlegging...it might have actually been the fans doing this for Dark Side that had them change their methodology.

Anyway, there's little that DMB does or ever has done that is without precedent. Somewhat related, many younger DMB fans have seemingly only been obsessed with DMB and may not be aware of the history of other bands and processes for the creation and release of new material. Neither of these are stated as judgment of the band or fans, just an observation based on band process and fan statements here and elsewhere.

One of the most common aspects of what DMB is doing is in regards to the slow to no trickle of new material in the latter decades of a their career. Many artists still feel that they have great work left in them and are still creating that work, but they are all VIVIDLY aware of how at this point a huge faction of their fanbase has little to no interest in new music. Oddly, with DMB there's a faction that wants the new music live, but has already decided that any new release will be a disappointment. Some fans clamoring for the release of archival materials, with some level of split of whether it should only be released if re-recorded with the current line-up.

I want it all. And as to my perpetual efforts to manifest a double album, I mean two FULL CDs...12-14 songs each and FOUR FULL vinyls, just as the Tedeschi Trucks Band has released. A real and true modern double album. I have low expectations and won't be holding my breath, but I would be ecstatic to get such a release. At least initially, knowing that I'd likely love the archival discs, while hoping that the other "new" material we've not heard was actually to my liking.

I just wished they release something, and always sooner than later.

DaveCrave41 10-06-2022 01:48 PM

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Another DMB email, another momentarily overjoyed me, another disappointment.

I'm glad Dumpstaphunk is playing in Chicago and all, but dammit. Did that need it's own email blast?

grilldanmo 10-06-2022 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18276612)
I think one of the Crash complaints from the longtimers back then was the album was too electric, especially on Cry Freedom.

Imagine so jaded as a fan that you'd let yourself already define the band and be disappointed by their SECOND album.

It really seems that this band somehow engendered a fanbase that had never previously obsessed over music or other artists and had zero perception of how bands naturally evolve and grow. How it's a journey for them and their fans...

Again, they are an excellent band, but outside of certain aspects of their sound, most of what they done and experienced is more common than not, especially if you reach their level of success and longevity.

Alpine416 10-06-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 18276616)
It's also funny the age bracket for fans. Someone posted about the ideal of playing new music live and THEN recording and releasing the music as odd. This was the way for many artists, most famously Pink Floyd. They'd work up new material in rehearsals and then hone it live over a run of shows or a small tour specifically for the purposes of figuring out how it would sound, how they would perform it, AND creating the actual stage show to accompany the music. It worked incredibly well for them until folks started bootlegging the shows and "spoiling" the releases and official distribution of new material. They only changed it as a result of bootlegging...it might have actually been the fans doing this for Dark Side that had them change their methodology.

This is exactly why it is so stupid that DMB is so bad at just putting their music out there. They know people listen to their live music and have embraced it actually so there is no build up to the reveal of new music yet they still can't get it out the door. There is no reason why they couldn't have a supplemental "from the vault" series where they clean up some studio productions of old unreleased songs and put it out with a live trax featuring those tracks. Sell it bundled with the live trax and that shit would go like hotcakes and get their studio work out there. Instead we sit on our hands and wait for years for mediocre products like CT.

ToySoldier#34 10-06-2022 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18276612)
I think one of the Crash complaints from the longtimers back then was the album was too electric, especially on Cry Freedom.


Interesting, wasn't aware of that complaint although I can see where it would come from

grilldanmo 10-06-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18276612)
I think one of the Crash complaints from the longtimers back then was the album was too electric, especially on Cry Freedom.

On further thinking I'm laughing thinking of early DMB having Newport Jazz Fest "Judas" moment, as if they'd established himself a preeminent acoustic folk singer/songwriter jamband. Hysterical.

The sound of the electric on Cry Freedom is what gives this amazing song its power. That sound and its feeling are not something that they could pull from an acoustic. And when it stops and it's just his voice, Carter, Fonz, and Boyd...absolutely stellar. Then you just welcome it back.

People will complain about anything.

Speilmen230 10-06-2022 02:16 PM

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Crash is my favorite album from a sonic standpoint. Love the sound of buzzy chet.

ToySoldier#34 10-06-2022 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 18276630)
On further thinking I'm laughing thinking of early DMB having Newport Jazz Fest "Judas" moment, as if they'd established himself a preeminent acoustic folk singer/songwriter jamband. Hysterical.

The sound of the electric on Cry Freedom is what gives this amazing song its power. That sound and its feeling are not something that they could pull from an acoustic. And when it stops and it's just his voice, Carter, Fonz, and Boyd...absolutely stellar. Then you just welcome it back.

People will complain about anything.


Eh I feel like if I really connect with a certain album by any artist and then the next thing they do has a musical element I'm not a fan of I'd probably not like it. For example, if Amos Lee followed up his self-titled album with something that had organ all over it, which I hate, I'd comment about it accordingly on a fan site discussing it.


Talking generally, I love Crash

great_divide_4 10-06-2022 04:18 PM

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Cry Freedom on the album is beautiful

aircavmike 10-06-2022 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 18276620)
Imagine so jaded as a fan that you'd let yourself already define the band and be disappointed by their SECOND album.

It really seems that this band somehow engendered a fanbase that had never previously obsessed over music or other artists and had zero perception of how bands naturally evolve and grow. How it's a journey for them and their fans...

Again, they are an excellent band, but outside of certain aspects of their sound, most of what they done and experienced is more common than not, especially if you reach their level of success and longevity.


Most of those Crash songs were around since the start of the band 5 years earlier so people were used to what they had heard since the band started performing those songs

NewOrleans 10-06-2022 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34 (Post 18276611)
Do you remember what the main complaints about it were? I'm genuinely curious, didn't know it was complained about at the time

The complaint was the album was "too produced" and Tim's clean guitar tone was overly dominant vs Daves acoustic guitar. As great as the album is, it's not the same live DMB sound that the fans were used to. I think Lillywhite did it to get some radio play, awards, give it some more "meat" as he would say.

NewOrleans 10-06-2022 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Speilmen230 (Post 18276631)
Crash is my favorite album from a sonic standpoint. Love the sound of buzzy chet.

Don't think he played the Chet in the studio.

NewOrleans 10-06-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpine416 (Post 18276626)
This is exactly why it is so stupid that DMB is so bad at just putting their music out there. They know people listen to their live music and have embraced it actually so there is no build up to the reveal of new music yet they still can't get it out the door. There is no reason why they couldn't have a supplemental "from the vault" series where they clean up some studio productions of old unreleased songs and put it out with a live trax featuring those tracks. Sell it bundled with the live trax and that shit would go like hotcakes and get their studio work out there. Instead we sit on our hands and wait for years for mediocre products like CT.

100% agree. There are so many really great performances of officially unreleased songs. I don't think anyone would mind if they came in and cleaned them up, added overdubs with the intent of making a compilation of "live"/not live songs.

Grateful Dead did this on Europe 72. It sounds like a studio record. No fans noise really. They took the best songs from that tour, went back to the studio and added in parts, mixed it and edited it, and it's one of their best albums ever.

ToySoldier#34 10-06-2022 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276771)
Grateful Dead did this on Europe 72. It sounds like a studio record. No fans noise really. They took the best songs from that tour, went back to the studio and added in parts, mixed it and edited it, and it's one of their best albums ever.


You mean ... like Idea of You?





kidding

Speilmen230 10-06-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276768)
Don't think he played the Chet in the studio.

He hadn't switched to Martin yet, what guitar would it have been?

ToySoldier#34 10-06-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Speilmen230 (Post 18276796)
He hadn't switched to Martin yet, what guitar would it have been?


Wasn't his progression something along the lines of Chet, Lakewood, Martin?

blumathu 10-06-2022 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Speilmen230 (Post 18276796)
He hadn't switched to Martin yet, what guitar would it have been?

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Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34 (Post 18276803)
Wasn't his progression something along the lines of Chet, Lakewood, Martin?

It is rare for musicians to use an acoustic pickup in the studio. They almost always mic their acoustic guitar. So even when he the Chet was his standard for live gigs, it normally wasn't used in the studio because you can't really mic the Chet.

The acoustic at the beginning of SMTS is likely a Lakewood guitar with a microphone pointed at it.

However, Lillywhite tried something unconventional with Crash. He tried using the acoustic pickups, and he plugged them into electric guitar amps. Very unusual.

I don't know which guitar Dave used when Steve suggested that trick. Could have been the Chet. Maybe the Lakewood had a pickup and he used that? Not sure.

Speilmen230 10-06-2022 06:15 PM

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I hear the pickup amplified tone the most on 41. I know that Tim is on there too, left side, but the main riff is either a heavily produced acoustic guitar or an electric/acoustic.

Slackdoodle 10-06-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18276767)
The complaint was the album was "too produced" and Tim's clean guitar tone was overly dominant vs Daves acoustic guitar. As great as the album is, it's not the same live DMB sound that the fans were used to. I think Lillywhite did it to get some radio play, awards, give it some more "meat" as he would say.


Yep, I remember this reaction from folks back in the day. There was a guy with a site called "Bluewater Baboon Farm" and he just tore Crash to pieces, track-by-track, as if it were some travesty. Hilarious to think back on, now.

NightShadow577 10-06-2022 10:01 PM

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alright, can somebody here explain this to me. so, i have amazon music, thatís how i listen to my music. i have an extended version of UTTAD, which contains an studio version of granny. this is why iíve been a skeptic on granny getting released on a studio album, but i was wondering if someone can explain why itís on an extended version, or give me general information on the topic.

DMBCardinal 10-06-2022 10:08 PM

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I believe they included Granny for the 20th anniversary addition.

grilldanmo 10-06-2022 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aircavmike (Post 18276726)
Most of those Crash songs were around since the start of the band 5 years earlier so people were used to what they had heard since the band started performing those songs

Again, the art and artists evolve. They clearly wanted to tweak things and did. Being so myopic as a fan that they think they know what's best or right remains hysterical to me.

I remember when Crash and BTCS were released and we just let the music wash over us and were blown away. The continued upward trajectory of the group was mind blowing. tLWS continued it, but ED was just stilted. And despite the greatness of tLWS, Busted Stuff was incredible for us only to be followed by Some Devil.

The anomalies that are ED and SU are mind-blowing when comparing them to the rest of the catalog. Again, though I give SU more credit for at least being a real band project. People complain about the solo Dave tunes or tunes that they think feel like solo Dave stuff, but SD is as good an album as Dave has ever released, while ED is arguably as bad an album...to its core for me, as most of those songs bring no joy...not even live.

This band is still at its best when they work together on the music. But as SU showed, even that process is no guarantee of a good album. The core remains Dave and his tunes. I still have faith in both, we're all mostly just smart enough to not assume that whatever they release will be great.

FULL double album!

I demand it!

Full entitlement, NOW!

ToySoldier#34 10-06-2022 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 18277036)
Again, the art and artists evolve. They clearly wanted to tweak things and did. Being so myopic as a fan that they think they know what's best or right remains hysterical to me.

The anomalies that are ED and SU are mind-blowing when comparing them to the rest of the catalog. Again, though I give SU more credit for at least being a real band project.

This band is still at its best when they work together on the music.


:confused

jwrice5 10-07-2022 07:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 18277036)
Again, the art and artists evolve. They clearly wanted to tweak things and did. Being so myopic as a fan that they think they know what's best or right remains hysterical to me.

I remember when Crash and BTCS were released and we just let the music wash over us and were blown away. The continued upward trajectory of the group was mind blowing. tLWS continued it, but ED was just stilted. And despite the greatness of tLWS, Busted Stuff was incredible for us only to be followed by Some Devil.

The anomalies that are ED and SU are mind-blowing when comparing them to the rest of the catalog. Again, though I give SU more credit for at least being a real band project. People complain about the solo Dave tunes or tunes that they think feel like solo Dave stuff, but SD is as good an album as Dave has ever released, while ED is arguably as bad an album...to its core for me, as most of those songs bring no joy...not even live.

This band is still at its best when they work together on the music. But as SU showed, even that process is no guarantee of a good album. The core remains Dave and his tunes. I still have faith in both, we're all mostly just smart enough to not assume that whatever they release will be great.

FULL double album!

I demand it!

Full entitlement, NOW!


I agree that Some Devil is fantastic, but ED has aged very well, IMO, whereas SU has sucked ass from day oneÖ and continues to suck ass.


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blumathu 10-07-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NightShadow577 (Post 18276999)
alright, can somebody here explain this to me. so, i have amazon music, thatís how i listen to my music. i have an extended version of UTTAD, which contains an studio version of granny. this is why iíve been a skeptic on granny getting released on a studio album, but i was wondering if someone can explain why itís on an extended version, or give me general information on the topic.

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Originally Posted by DMBCardinal (Post 18277003)
I believe they included Granny for the 20th anniversary addition.

Indeed yes. Granny was recorded for UTTAD and even considered as a single, but in the end it didn't really fit so it didn't make the album at all. The 20th anniversary edition added it as a bonus.

dt129700 10-07-2022 10:46 AM

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I may be in the minority, but I'm kind of over "albums" from this band. The song selection and song order has been a disappointment for almost the past two decades. Other than putting it on vinyl, what's the point of packaging all this together? What's the point of jumping the shark every 3-5 years on anticipation/hype just to slow drip drain the excitement from one of the most loyal fanbases in music history, so that by the time the thing finally comes out, there's barely anything to surprise us, or make us think. I remember spending hours trying to figure out what was being done musically on some of the songs from the Big 3/4. I spent many more hours unpacking some of those lyrics.

By the times the studio recordings get to us these days, the songs have lost all of that new car smell. It's just not the best way to consume/experience art in 2022.

At this point, just give us a new studio song every month or so. They have enough vault material to do this for many years. Heck, if they really want to put them on an album at some point, just package them together for re-release the way the Beatles did with their early single-era collection.

I think more than anything, just keeping the fanbase alive (and not going through the motions) should be the priority. Give us a new event to discuss and a new studio song to have opinions about on a regular basis. That would be so rejuvenating for these boards and the DMB faithful. I know we get that on song debuts on tours -- but imagine if that live debut coincided with a minor release of that studio song and a band released HQ audio of the live debut of the song. I'd eat that up. Take my money.

stlbluespower 10-07-2022 11:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blumathu (Post 18277093)
Indeed yes. Granny was recorded for UTTAD and even considered as a single, but in the end it didn't really fit so it didn't make the album at all. The 20th anniversary edition added it as a bonus.

I hardly ever understand it when I hear a song doesn't "fit" an album. It's not really like UTTAD, or any of DMB's albums, are concept albums, or consistently thematic, to make this argument, IMO. The same with Cigarette Lit and the Some Devil album. How did Stay ever make BTCS?

Aforauer 10-07-2022 11:16 AM

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Someone named ďDubsĒ on TDC said his source said the album is dropping 11/4. Probably as useless as every other rumor, but food for thought


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Alpine416 10-07-2022 11:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dt129700 (Post 18277121)
I may be in the minority, but I'm kind of over "albums" from this band. The song selection and song order has been a disappointment for almost the past two decades. Other than putting it on vinyl, what's the point of packaging all this together? What's the point of jumping the shark every 3-5 years on anticipation/hype just to slow drip drain the excitement from one of the most loyal fanbases in music history, so that by the time the thing finally comes out, there's barely anything to surprise us, or make us think. I remember spending hours trying to figure out what was being done musically on some of the songs from the Big 3/4. I spent many more hours unpacking some of those lyrics.

By the times the studio recordings get to us these days, the songs have lost all of that new car smell. It's just not the best way to consume/experience art in 2022.

At this point, just give us a new studio song every month or so. They have enough vault material to do this for many years. Heck, if they really want to put them on an album at some point, just package them together for re-release the way the Beatles did with their early single-era collection.

I think more than anything, just keeping the fanbase alive (and not going through the motions) should be the priority. Give us a new event to discuss and a new studio song to have opinions about on a regular basis. That would be so rejuvenating for these boards and the DMB faithful. I know we get that on song debuts on tours -- but imagine if that live debut coincided with a minor release of that studio song and a band released HQ audio of the live debut of the song. I'd eat that up. Take my money.

Posted this yesterday but some of your ideas are similar:

"From the vault trax" 3-5 supplement (kinda like they have already done with encore trax) with studio recordings released with a live trax. You can probably find a live show that features all/most of the songs included then you get studio releases to parallel them. Sign me up.

Instead here we are waiting for some obscure date when no other relevant act is doing anything so they can keep the #1 streak going for what will probably be another CT-esque effort.

ToySoldier#34 10-07-2022 11:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stlbluespower (Post 18277141)
I hardly ever understand it when I hear a song doesn't "fit" an album. It's not really like UTTAD, or any of DMB's albums, are concept albums, or consistently thematic, to make this argument, IMO. The same with Cigarette Lit and the Some Devil album. How did Stay ever make BTCS?



I get where you are coming from and agree to an extent but the placement of Stay is pretty ideal I think, it benefitted from having something light and fun where it was. Having a run of Last Stop, DDTW, Halloween, Stone while an insane run of songwriting doesn't have a ton of separation in terms of feel and emotion.

blumathu 10-07-2022 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stlbluespower (Post 18277141)
I hardly ever understand it when I hear a song doesn't "fit" an album. It's not really like UTTAD, or any of DMB's albums, are concept albums, or consistently thematic, to make this argument, IMO. The same with Cigarette Lit and the Some Devil album. How did Stay ever make BTCS?

Not sure exactly but I'm glad it was cut because I am not a fan of the studio version. Maybe they thought the same after listening back?

btpeters 10-07-2022 11:36 AM

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Also, I imagine when they were working on BTCS, they envisioned Stay having very good radio single/music video potential. So it likely wasn't going anywhere. And...it 100% fits that album. There's that lovely little interlude before it an DDTW...and Stay is the perfect follow up for it.

Help Myself is the song that they scratched from BTCS. Legend goes, Halloween was supposed to go to the Scream 2 soundtrack, but they liked the recording so much, they decided on it and not Help Myself to be on BTCS. There has been some questioning of what exactly happened in recent years, but it was story (as told by Lillywhite too)for like 20 years.

theflower 10-07-2022 12:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aforauer (Post 18277142)
Someone named ďDubsĒ on TDC said his source said the album is dropping 11/4. Probably as useless as every other rumor, but food for thought


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don't know dubs from the next guy but my god would that be out of left field at this point. seems so unlikely.

Aforauer 10-07-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by theflower (Post 18277214)
don't know dubs from the next guy but my god would that be out of left field at this point. seems so unlikely.


Yeah no shot itís true. Too soon


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iím thinking maybe a release at earliest in january. november is entirely too early from what i think

jlatham23 10-07-2022 03:14 PM

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Probably been said a few times or two here, but I am thinking a Xmas release. Two weeks or so prior to Christmas!

groogrux27 10-07-2022 08:08 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Iím in Denver right now listening to KBCO and they just played Tripping Billies and afterwards said that the band was putting final touches on the album and should have it out soon [emoji2371]


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great_divide_4 10-07-2022 09:55 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
From Dubs on TDC:

Co-worker lives 3 houses down from Jeff in Nashville.

Dannyyankou 10-07-2022 09:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by groogrux27 (Post 18277485)
Iím in Denver right now listening to KBCO and they just played Tripping Billies and afterwards said that the band was putting final touches on the album and should have it out soon [emoji2371]


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How would they know? I'm guessing someone just listened to the Sirius interview.

We've gotten so much false hope. I always say, keep your expectations low! If there's a rumor it's coming out in a month, add two years to that!

two-by-twostep 10-07-2022 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannyyankou (Post 18277500)
How would they know? I'm guessing someone just listened to the Sirius interview.

We've gotten so much false hope. I always say, keep your expectations low! If there's a rumor it's coming out in a month, add two years to that!


:lol :lol

madhatter 10-07-2022 10:10 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
I'm very skeptical of that Dubs info, but...first Friday of the fall tour, in Seattle, where Dave lives, would make quite a bit of sense for a release date.

Cardinal 10-07-2022 10:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18277153)
Also, I imagine when they were working on BTCS, they envisioned Stay having very good radio single/music video potential. So it likely wasn't going anywhere. And...it 100% fits that album. There's that lovely little interlude before it an DDTW...and Stay is the perfect follow up for it.

Help Myself is the song that they scratched from BTCS. Legend goes, Halloween was supposed to go to the Scream 2 soundtrack, but they liked the recording so much, they decided on it and not Help Myself to be on BTCS. There has been some questioning of what exactly happened in recent years, but it was story (as told by Lillywhite too)for like 20 years.

Help Myself was scratched from Crash.

Dannyyankou 10-07-2022 10:55 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
I will say this, November 4 doesn't have much competition, so it might be their best hope at a #1. I don't care, but the band or at the very least management cares.

I still don't believe it though.

anthonysoscia 10-07-2022 11:11 PM

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No way. That story doesnít really line up.

great_divide_4 10-07-2022 11:15 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
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Originally Posted by anthonysoscia (Post 18277518)
No way. That story doesn’t really line up.

Yeah it's not first hand information. I heard '23 as of a week ago.

anthonysoscia 10-07-2022 11:24 PM

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Quote:

Yeah it's not first hand information. I heard '23 as of a week ago.
Yeah that timeline definitely seems most likely

bibby1044 10-07-2022 11:39 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
It makes perfect sense. Next live trax is out in 2023 brenny.

BotheLaneFan 10-08-2022 12:00 AM

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It’d be the dumbest thing they could do, so that’s a good call.

NewOrleans 10-08-2022 12:12 AM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannyyankou (Post 18277514)
I will say this, November 4 doesn't have much competition, so it might be their best hope at a #1. I don't care, but the band or at the very least management cares.

I still don't believe it though.

Nov 4th is less distance away than they announce for a Live Trax Pre order. Most albums get announced about 10 weeks in advance these days. They'll release a single on Nov 4th at the best with the album announcement. No way it gets put out this year though.

NewOrleans 10-08-2022 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by great_divide_4 (Post 18277497)
From Dubs on TDC:

Co-worker lives 3 houses down from Jeff in Nashville.

My coworker lives 7 houses up from Rashawn Ross.

Cptn. Monkeyman 10-08-2022 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal (Post 18277510)
Help Myself was scratched from Crash.

It may have been, but the version we all know from the Scream 2 soundtrack was from an early Before These Crowded Streets session

Gunz 10-08-2022 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NewOrleans (Post 18277547)
My coworker lives 7 houses up from Rashawn Ross.

Is the new album coming soon?

K270 10-08-2022 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Aforauer (Post 18277223)
Yeah no shot itís true. Too soon


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Could it be a surprise drop? I know it was discussed here before. I also think an insider commented on the possibility of surprise drop. Or is my mind playing tricks on me.

cmyers2 10-08-2022 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by K270 (Post 18277572)
Could it be a surprise drop? I know it was discussed here before. I also think an insider commented on the possibility of surprise drop. Or is my mind playing tricks on me.

100% it was. I believe Tim's nephew Scott had mentioned that they discussed the idea of a surprise drop at some point.

DMB1JW 10-08-2022 10:41 AM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Can't wait to hear this album...

At this point some official announcement this year would be exciting. I've given up on seeing the album in 2022.

Cardinal 10-08-2022 05:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cptn. Monkeyman (Post 18277552)
It may have been, but the version we all know from the Scream 2 soundtrack was from an early Before These Crowded Streets session

Crazy. Didnít believe you and had to look it up. Looks like they began the BTCS sessions with Crashís production.

ElijahSoRight72 10-08-2022 05:41 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Yeah at this point the earliest we could get an album is summer ‘23. I’m convinced that if the BTCS reissue is happening like has been teased, there’s no way they crowd themselves with both.

The problem is next summer is 8 months away, that’s way too much time for this band to sit on this album without deciding to change something. We should be prepared to be in waiting for at least another year.

Dagwin 10-08-2022 08:28 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Which was my prediction all along... Q2 2023. Still looks solid. My prediction: April 2023 announcement, June 2023 release! I know no one wants/wanted to believe that, but we all know how this band operates.

There was approximately 6 years between AFTW and CT. DMB isn't gonna spit out new albums every 2-3 years anymore, so I knew 2020/2021 were out of the question. And when Bruce's original Q2 of 2022 didn't come to fruition (and I'm not blaming him, plans change), I immediately started thinking 2023, especially with all the insiders basically going silent.

Gunz 10-08-2022 09:59 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Imagine being a 30 year old band who peaked in the early 2000’s and having insiders in 2022.

Downright laughable. I love this band but they sure are something.

jbrown211 10-09-2022 09:09 AM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Even the survivor man Les Stroud is releasing and album... Crazy times lol

Dagwin 10-09-2022 12:08 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
I have to admit that Dave had me fooled for a bit in 2020 when they were at Haunted Hollow. Like everyone else, I thought the pandemic downtime was a perfect opportunity for a band to create new music, and they actually seemed to do that. But then it was back to reality with this band... and here we are at the end of 2022, and nothing!

Fool me once, yada, yada, etc.

great_divide_4 10-09-2022 04:42 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
You know what the band probably thinks about this delay.....?

That it's not a delay and they're going to release it whenever they release it. They're all rich and getting older; don't think they care if they keep pushing the album release back. You think Carter is hearing about how mad Ants is about this? Nope.

hopewelljones 10-09-2022 05:31 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
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Originally Posted by great_divide_4 (Post 18277975)
You know what the band probably thinks about this delay.....?

That it's not a delay and they're going to release it whenever they release it. They're all rich and getting older; don't think they care if they keep pushing the album release back. You think Carter is hearing about how mad Ants is about this? Nope.

Thatís how I feel about it too.

DMBCardinal 10-09-2022 06:19 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by great_divide_4 (Post 18277975)
You know what the band probably thinks about this delay.....?

That it's not a delay and they're going to release it whenever they release it. They're all rich and getting older; don't think they care if they keep pushing the album release back. You think Carter is hearing about how mad Ants is about this? Nope.

I bet some of the members are annoyed by the delay. Just a hunch. It seems like a waste of time to work in the studio and not have an album two years later. Iím thinking Stefan, Buddy, or Rashawn. I could be completely off base.

willndmb 10-09-2022 06:37 PM

Re: New Album Coming Soon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMB1JW (Post 18277604)
Can't wait to hear this album...

At this point some official announcement this year would be exciting. I've given up on seeing the album in 2022.

Draft Kings says we get info on the next WH5/8/10 release before a studio release


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