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grilldanmo 08-20-2020 01:29 PM

Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.
 
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Originally Posted by Thirtyfouroi (Post 17771724)
I feel Roi was the most responsible person with regards to the sound of the band. I think they sounded like they did in large part because of him. And you can just listen to albums pre and post. Then, the argument could be made "Thats just because Tim is part of the band, and you have a guitar now." Well, Tim played on quite a few albums (although I understand the difference in guesting on album and being part of band). But Tim was also part of the band in May and June of 2008. June was Arguably the greatest one month run in the bands history. Leroi knew how to create riffs within a song that you didn't hear unless you really listened very closely. I am still discovering masterpieces of Roi's work on studio albums, things I didn't hear before. It wasn't until about 8-10 years ago that I first actually heard Roi's riffs on Crush. It's absolutely beautiful.

So at the same time that he just sunk into the music and wasn't heard by the passerby listener, he made the song what it was. He made songs bigger, much Jazzier, and much more authentic to DMB. This is what separates Roi from most other sax players. He doesn't care about being heard. He cares about the song. He doesn't care about taking care of himself. He only cares about taking care of the music and making sure a song sounds as good as it possibly can. If you notice on the recent albums, the sax riffs more or less just go straight along with the melody or straight along with dave's already made up vocal melody. Roi was able to create his own melodies, he added his riffs on like layers of a cake. And of course, we all like more layers on a cake. Same with a song. The more layers, the better.

I think is beyond opinion and veering into fact zone.

Lillywhite has stated that he (Lillywhite) knew how to get the best out of Boyd, but he and others have said that Roi was who helped shaped Boyd parts, that he helped guide Boyd. Roi definitely created and shaped the horn/violin harmony and counterpoint parts. Dave has expressed clearly how much Roi inspired him and the sound of the band. His death also played a big part in why Boyd is no longer around.

Despite Roi's strong will that Dave and Lillywhite have expressed, Roi was part of the glue for the band. Even in his passing, Roi is part of why the guys still do this...as a tribute to their friend who the love and miss.

I don't need layers though...a single layer of great cake is all perfect. The core five with sprinklings of Tim were like that...magic. The nuance and dynamics are much different now and while I still love it, I miss Roi more than anything else.

MrMarchingants 08-20-2020 09:35 PM

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Well said grilldano

Stgeurin 08-21-2020 01:54 PM

Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.
 
This is solid. Well said. I’ve never considered this, but it does make you wonder how Boyd’s playing might would have stayed more solid if Roi had been around. To be clear, not discussing Boyd’s personal life, just his playing. Obviously there have always been issues with Boyd’s playing, never been perfect. But you can hear the big drop off beginning just a few years following Roi’s death. Into the 2010’s.

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<div style="font-style:italic">I feel Roi was the most responsible person with regards to the sound of the band. <b>I think they sounded like they did in large part because of him.</b> And you can just listen to albums pre and post. Then, the argument could be made "Thats just because Tim is part of the band, and you have a guitar now." Well, Tim played on quite a few albums (although I understand the difference in guesting on album and being part of band). But Tim was also part of the band in May and June of 2008. June was Arguably the greatest one month run in the bands history. Leroi knew how to create riffs within a song that you didn't hear unless you really listened very closely. I am still discovering masterpieces of Roi's work on studio albums, things I didn't hear before. It wasn't until about 8-10 years ago that I first actually heard Roi's riffs on Crush. It's absolutely beautiful.<br>
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So at the same time that he just sunk into the music and wasn't heard by the passerby listener, he made the song what it was. He made songs bigger, much Jazzier, and much more authentic to DMB. This is what separates Roi from most other sax players. He doesn't care about being heard. He cares about the song. He doesn't care about taking care of himself. He only cares about taking care of the music and making sure a song sounds as good as it possibly can. If you notice on the recent albums, the sax riffs more or less just go straight along with the melody or straight along with dave's already made up vocal melody. Roi was able to create his own melodies, he added his riffs on like layers of a cake. And of course, we all like more layers on a cake. Same with a song. The more layers, the better.</div>
</div>I think is beyond opinion and veering into fact zone.<br>
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Lillywhite has stated that he (Lillywhite) knew how to get the best out of Boyd, but he and others have said that Roi was who helped shaped Boyd parts, that he helped guide Boyd. Roi definitely created and shaped the horn/violin harmony and counterpoint parts. Dave has expressed clearly how much Roi inspired him and the sound of the band. His death also played a big part in why Boyd is no longer around.<br>
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Despite Roi's strong will that Dave and Lillywhite have expressed, Roi was part of the glue for the band. Even in his passing, Roi is part of why the guys still do this...as a tribute to their friend who the love and miss.<br>
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I don't need layers though...a single layer of great cake is all perfect. The core five with sprinklings of Tim were like that...magic. The nuance and dynamics are much different now and while I still love it, I miss Roi more than anything else.

grilldanmo 08-21-2020 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stgeurin (Post 17772952)
This is solid. Well said. I’ve never considered this, but it does make you wonder how Boyd’s playing might would have stayed more solid if Roi had been around. To be clear, not discussing Boyd’s personal life, just his playing. Obviously there have always been issues with Boyd’s playing, never been perfect. But you can hear the big drop off beginning just a few years following Roi’s death. Into the 2010’s.

I have a notion that this was part of why they tried working with Lillywhite again. Boyd is almost completely absent from Big Wiskey and Steve really was good at making sure he was heard and well placed.

I've wondered how much of Boyd not being more prominent on BW was due to Boyd's idiosyncracies and being depressed (and uninspired) due to Roi's death vs Cavallo not being sure how to integrate the violin into the sound of any band. This was clearly an issue w/ Ballard and Batson too. And it's not that didn't use Boyd, they just didn't feature him or have him playing with and off the horn like Lillywhite and Roi did...even when Roi and Boyd were both in the studio.

Thirtyfouroi 08-28-2020 09:53 PM

Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grilldanmo (Post 17773052)
I have a notion that this was part of why they tried working with Lillywhite again. Boyd is almost completely absent from Big Wiskey and Steve really was good at making sure he was heard and well placed.

I've wondered how much of Boyd not being more prominent on BW was due to Boyd's idiosyncracies and being depressed (and uninspired) due to Roi's death vs Cavallo not being sure how to integrate the violin into the sound of any band. This was clearly an issue w/ Ballard and Batson too. And it's not that didn't use Boyd, they just didn't feature him or have him playing with and off the horn like Lillywhite and Roi did...even when Roi and Boyd were both in the studio.

I guess just think of the impact if it were the case that Roi was Boyd's anchor. That roi essentially was boyd's mentor. That most of what boyd did on an album and maintaining his place in the band, that it was mentored and negotiated by Roi whether through inspiration, motivation, a practical guide to what sounds good, or literally helping him create his riffs. If you are relying on Roi as your staying power in the band, and your success can be contributed to Roi alone (it was Roi who invited him to play on TB early on, maybe carter and roi), and all the sudden you don't have him. Think what that would do to you. We have all been in a place where we have gone to a party with a friend, and that friend was the only reason we went to the party. Because we didn't know anybody there etc. Think about gong to that same party without that friend. Now imagine that is your career.

Now, to what extent that metaphor could be used, who knows. But if that was the case, it would have been really tough to be boyd tinsley in the later years. But, put your pride away. Reach out to the guys. Explain. Find somebody new to assist you, to help you out musically. Don't mope around on stage. Don't f up a song on purpose or constantly have an out of tuen violin. Those are all things you can control. You could have had 10 in-tune violins sitting next to you on stage. There is no reason you should have had an out of tune violin. For the same reason Dave never had an out of tuen guitar or a guitar with a broken string. I digress.

Route_2 09-09-2020 10:06 PM

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Was gone all weekend long, but just threw on the '02 Gorge show from DMB Drive-In. Brought a smile to my face (and the face of everyone on stage in the moment) hearing Roi absolutely slay on that Lover Lay Down. Just fucking beautiful. Hope everyone had a pleasant holiday weekend.

grilldanmo 09-10-2020 12:10 AM

Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.
 
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Originally Posted by Route_2 (Post 17783822)
Was gone all weekend long, but just threw on the '02 Gorge show from DMB Drive-In. Brought a smile to my face (and the face of everyone on stage in the moment) hearing Roi absolutely slay on that Lover Lay Down. Just fucking beautiful. Hope everyone had a pleasant holiday weekend.

My wife I thought something similar...Roi on LLD is one of the best musical moments one could experience. Got lucky to see it live once...

Captainnumber36 09-28-2020 03:33 PM

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I also love Roi on Grace is Gone jams.

OneSweetMonkey 05-30-2021 01:00 PM

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Been pretty stuck on Lover Lay Down from the '95 Summer Tour lately.

RIP, Roi. Miss you up there, man.

:leroi

Lcsulla 06-21-2021 01:43 AM

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I know I have mentioned this before in here but for those who didn't see it I will tell you what a great guy he was. In Hartford say 17 or so years ago 2 friends and I were walking down the street from our hotel to snag breakfast and walked into Roi. I did not have my night 1 stub with me but he signed those my friends had on them. We started talking about what a great show they put on the previous night and he thanked us for our kind words but clearly wanted to get out of there so we said nice to see you again and all of us bolted. Couple hours later we were in the hotel bar hours before the show, Roi walks into the hotel (band was staying at the same one as we were) - sees us in the bar and walks over all apologetic. He explained he was in a rush to meet people for Fathers day then sat with us, chatted for a while, signed what we had, gave us backstage passes and then picked up our tab. Just a great wonderful man whom I dearly miss after hanging out having drinks with him after shows numerous times. Just thought some of the newer fans would enjoy that story t hat shows what kind of a guy Roi was!

OneSweetMonkey 06-22-2021 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 17974217)
I know I have mentioned this before in here but for those who didn't see it I will tell you what a great guy he was. In Hartford say 17 or so years ago 2 friends and I were walking down the street from our hotel to snag breakfast and walked into Roi. I did not have my night 1 stub with me but he signed those my friends had on them. We started talking about what a great show they put on the previous night and he thanked us for our kind words but clearly wanted to get out of there so we said nice to see you again and all of us bolted. Couple hours later we were in the hotel bar hours before the show, Roi walks into the hotel (band was staying at the same one as we were) - sees us in the bar and walks over all apologetic. He explained he was in a rush to meet people for Fathers day then sat with us, chatted for a while, signed what we had, gave us backstage passes and then picked up our tab. Just a great wonderful man whom I dearly miss after hanging out having drinks with him after shows numerous times. Just thought some of the newer fans would enjoy that story t hat shows what kind of a guy Roi was!

Great story!

I failed at my one chance to meet Roi. NYC, December 2000. I was with Stefan at the Band's holiday party. The club had booth seating, and Roi was at the very next booth over. I was 22 at the time. Roi was at a table with (what appeared to me at the time) to be NYC socialites. Basically, they were just dressed much better than I was. ALL I had to do was ask Stefan to introduce me so I could say hello, but I was intimidated by the people he was sitting with. So dumb, I know. I was the true fan in the place. Roi more than likely would have obliged me for a minute or two.

Life. Can't live with regrets.

RIP, Roi. :leroi

crashintonickdm 06-29-2021 11:27 PM

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Warehouse LT50

Incredible solos

8nalive 07-07-2021 12:52 AM

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I miss your attitude Roi

Aircanuck 07-08-2021 09:46 AM

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Is anyone able to explain why Dave called Roi "his most difficult friend" at times? Question is not out of malice, I'm just curious to know him better.

crashintonickdm 07-08-2021 10:40 AM

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Think roi pushed Dave hard and his standards were very high

dmbdreamingtree 07-10-2021 11:32 AM

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Roi was my hero growing up. Always wishing in vain the man was still here to play music for us

GraceBuckley 07-20-2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aircanuck (Post 17982178)
Is anyone able to explain why Dave called Roi "his most difficult friend" at times? Question is not out of malice, I'm just curious to know him better.

Roi was a complex guy. I'd be really interested to see a couple of the places he said that, do you have any links to any interviews or articles or wherever he said it? I'd be interested in the context.

kmb40oz 08-19-2021 12:53 PM

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The last song I saw Leroi Moore play was Ants Marching. His 2nd to last show ever.

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...=98&where=2008

TwoStep2888 08-19-2021 04:15 PM

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thirteen years, wow

paulg83 08-19-2021 07:54 PM

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Missing his sound today and forever.

dre2142 08-19-2021 08:19 PM

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Time flies. Sucks.

RiotAct 09-07-2021 03:23 PM

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Happy birthday, Roi.

Would have turned 60 today.

:leroi

TypicalBilly14 09-07-2021 07:30 PM

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Happy Birthday, Roi! I saw one of your last shows in Mansfield, MA in 2008 and I am happy to say that I did. :leroy

Fonzie wishes you a happy birthday, too.

https://twitter.com/SLessard/status/1435296905970413569

:leroy

ethanen 09-08-2021 08:47 AM

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Unfortunately this link doesn't work may be the the link is too old or that Post which is in this link is removed. So can you please check it and update it.


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Route_2 09-09-2021 02:48 PM

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Happy Belated B-day to the :ggoat

https://youtu.be/7jz3kZDQcr4?t=2893

TypicalBilly14 09-09-2021 11:11 PM

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some great pics with Jeff and Roi. :leroy

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSw4d3TLOgE/

Cptn. Monkeyman 09-09-2021 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TypicalBilly14 (Post 18040705)
some great pics with Jeff and Roi. :leroy

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSw4d3TLOgE/

wow awesome pictures, thanks Billy

OneSweetMonkey 11-21-2021 05:52 PM

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Hangin with Roi today.

Forever vibin with the GrooGrux King.


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HelenaMaria 02-19-2022 07:27 AM

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He will be forever be in our hearts. RIP

Sister 03-27-2022 06:42 PM

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Missing the King today <3


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