Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I hope so too but nothing Bowman has shown the last 2 deadlines would make me think he's going big.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

The Caps just gave up ANOTHER goal from center ice. All three goalies that have played for the Caps this year have given up one, and they've all been within the last two weeks. That's gotta be some kinda record.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

An interesting article, but it is certainly incomplete and overlooks part of the reason we are giving up so many GA. Fact is, yeah the Hawks have had a lot of periods where they've controlled play even strength, but you can't simply look at the numbers and lay all of the blame at the feet of the goaltenders. When you are giving up so many odd-man rushes, you are going to give up a lot of goals. The team is making pivotal mistakes & turnovers that lead to a lot of 2-on-1's, 3-on-2's, and some of those are ending up in the back of the net.

I think it would be interesting if you could find out how many 2-on-1's or breakaways the Hawks/opposition had during this streak.

That's a good point. But I still think Q has run out of answers and when that happens....he's gotta go.

This is a completely legitimate point. The team certainly does have too many kids playing right now, IMO.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Kimmo thinks that the overall effort is not there....hence his quote

Kimmo also seems to think that some of the defensive issues that the Flyers have been experiencing have been a result of a lack of commitment by the team to play their system night in and night out.

I'll be suuuuuuuuuper pissed if Homer tries to make a big splash at the deadline. The Flyers will not be legit contenders this year no matter who they get so I see no reason why the Flyers should part ways with some of their young talent (unless it is JVR)

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I read this just now so it made me laugh knowing what the score ended up being.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Why the hate on JVR? Guy was on a thirty goal pace at the beginning of the season and has an abdominal injury that requires surgery in the off-season?

You're definitely reading way too much into Kimmo's comments. Laviolette mentioned in a phone conference that he agreed with the comments and was saying the same thing. It isn't because of the lack of effort--the Flyers have done a good job in that regard. They are just playing very good teams right now, and it's hard for them to win a game against the Rangers. Timonen appears more like the tough veteran who is frustrated with losing to a specific team, rather than a guy who is bitter about the lack of effort.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

tl; dnr; notes?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I will admit, I skimmed. :lol No disrespect, buddy. :hug

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

If the Wings lose to Dallas to not break the record that'll suck. If Marty Turco was still playing there the Wings would probably win.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I think the Wings steamroll tonight. A 5-1, 6-2 game.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

If the Stars and Red Wings ever (and it would be a long shot) met up in the Winter Classic, which alumni team would Brett Hull play for, think ye?

Or Red Wings and Blues?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

PTI did a part about the streak last night asking if there should be an * to the record cause of shootouts. I was thinking that too but then read an article this morning that made the argument not for one. All three teams (Bruins, Flyers, Wings) are from different eras so it's hard to compare. I mean would you compare the Celtics from the 50's and 60's to the Bulls of the 90's? Cousy going to the hoop against Rodman? HA! Bruins were playing with only 10 teams back in 1930 and had overtime but not sudden death, and 2 wins came in OT. While the Flyers had regulation only. But they also only had 18 teams to deal with and there were some bad ones then looking at the standings. Scouts, Caps, Wings and Golden Seals were all pretty bad. Yeah Wings have OT/Shootout but have 30 teams and that has been going on for 7 years now and no one has done it so it's still an accomplishment. I'd probably put the Flyers slightly over the Wings cause they didn't have OT at all but no matter how you slice it, it's pretty impressive imo.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

One period with one and two with the other. :)

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

What are the chances of Howe suiting up for a shift? Anything been batted around the local press?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Just that his son Marty said that a year or so ago he said he wanted to if Detroit got the game. But he's battling dementia and I'm not sure how bad it is. Seems ok in the public eye.

Also here is an interesting take on the Rick Nash talk.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Yeah Scott Howson would never do something "against the book"

/sarcasm

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Won't happen but Datsyuk would like to have you on his right wing with Franzen on the left. lol

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Hmmm, dementia and hockey usually don't mix very well... but hey, maybe if it's just a shift or so he'd keep it together.

Man, can you imagine how that place would erupt if he stepped out onto the ice?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I actually spoke with Gordie in November and he is out of it IMO. I talked to him 2 years prior and he was much more attentive. He needs an aid everywhere he goes now. But he still signs at the Joe. I actually noticed my grandpa Ted is starting to lose his mind a bit too. I don't think he will suit up for the ame but I hope he drops the first pick again like he did in Chicago

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I am glad Rinaldo got suspended. I hate that kid. I hope he doesn't last in the league

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Bruins extended Boychuk for 3 years at 3.3 per. Little bit pricey but he'd get more if he hit free agency. He's been pretty solid this year and he was good on the cup run past year.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I don't equate "they do this" to mean "we don't do this." Obviously there are issues with this team right now, and I'm sure Kimmo is as frustrated as anyone, but I don't think it's entirely a situation where there's a lack of effort or failing to adhere to the system so much as mental mistakes and rookies hitting the wall.

Don't understand this mindset at all. The Flyers have the third most points in the east and are certainly capable of making a run. Hell, no one thought they had a chance to do any damage sneaking into the playoffs on the last day a couple years back, and they were a soft goal away from forcing a Game Seven in the Finals.

The way they're playing right now, you're right -- they're not going anywhere. The important thing is turning it around before it gets too late, and they still have time to do that.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Should the Flyers be sellers?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...html?viewAll=y

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Wow, nice raise for him :thumbsup. Definitely a strong d-man who's improving year after year, but I wouldn't have predicted him getting that much of an increase.

Wish my boss was Peter Chiarelli :lol

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Ok, I'll bite. Ted Lindsay?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Yea I'm a bit skeptical right now but people thought Lucic was an overpayment a few years ago and he's worth his contract and then some. Chiarelli hasn't given out a bad contact in a while so I'll trust his judgement.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

This is true. His track record speaks for itself. And again, let's not take anything away from Boychuk's play. He's a hard-nosed, big defender who's got decent legs and potential to improve offensively. The raise could be an investment on a guy who's maturing into that type of player that teams covet but few in the major press talk about.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Hopefully the Bruins play better than they have been playing lately tonight. I expect someone like Prust to try to take on Ference after the hit from last game. Ference isn't the kind of guy that'll back down so even if he's over matched he'll still probably drop em. Could make for an interesting game.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

One of the reasons I really like him.

Favorite Ference moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDJY_PCehN0

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

If you ever get the chance watch the 10 minute YouTube video of that game where they show all the fights. If I was a Stars player that game I'd absolutely lay into Ott and Avery afyer that game because they were responsible for a lot of their teammates getting beat down.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Oh I have. :thumbsup:thumbsup. One of my favorite displays of loyalty to the team on the part of the Bruins. I loved it when guys like Savard even got into it.

And like you said, displays the complete disgrace that Avery and Ott are. I love how the announcer even pointed out that while Ott sits safely in the dressing room, his teammates are out having to fight his fights.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

so who is going to be the loser of the Rick Nash impending trade? Whoever gets him will vastly overpay.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

^ Better not be the Rangers.

Speaking of which, pretty much dominating Boston tonight.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Hey! Flyers fans!

Comment on that fucking article I posted.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Are you watching the same game? Rangers are up 2-0 but the bruins have carried a majority of the play. Henrik has been playing out of his mind.

Well, this game's over now. But what I saw was the rangers playing their game. Blocking shots, getting into the dirty areas, and taking advantage of the opportunities from the bruins' mistakes. Hank was amazing in the second and the third so far for sure.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Pekka Rinne is insane

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Rangers are definitely the best in the east right now. I'd love to see an ECF with these 2 teams. The bruins need Horton back pretty badly, but I'm not convinced he's coming back this year.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Rangers and bruins are definitely the two best in the east. It would probably go 7 and I'd have a heart attack.

That said, there's always the part of being a ranger fan that reminds me we haven't gotten past the 2nd round since Sather tool over 12 years ago.

Problem is, when you're having a year this good, anything but the cup feels shitty. As a packer fan, I can understand that the regular season means nothing in sports.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Vastly underrated IMO. He's a beast.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

:thumbsup

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

seriously, he is insane. and even better we get to face Hank on Thursday.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I think we have looked better tonight....I feel we just can't score

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Posting from the game right now!!! Loving it.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Another 2 points for the NYR, Great thanks to the King.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Hawks have outplayed Nashville for the most part, and can win this game. If they lose this my finger is going to be on the panic button.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I really don't think the bruins played that bad today. Rangers made them pay for a couple mistakes and Henrik had an amazing game.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Rinne will not blow this lead

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Wow. 9 point lead in the east. Honestly never thought I'd read those words.

What can you say about how hank has been this year? Insane.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I'll be too busy crying to have my finger on any button.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

They actually played really well, and we still can't win. I'm going to get drunk.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

:thumbsup

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Most brutal loss of the streak. Clearly outplayed Nashville. Can't just get one big fucking save at the right time, or we get perfect deflections that find the net. Just unbelievably brutal. 32 shots to 19. Team had a ton of jump, looked desperate, but can't catch a break.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

At least we get to go to New York on Thursday.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I haven't been this depressed from a sports team in a long long long time

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Yup! I love hearing stories from him. He is my moms father

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

This team is poorly coached and poorly constructed. Stan Bowman has massively underwhelmed as GM of this team and had no business being named GM in the first place. Tallon's Panthers have as many points as this team. Why was Tallon fired? Mainly for mis-managing the cap. Who was the capologist for him? Stan Bowman. Say what you want about Tallon but the players loved playing for them and he was their guy. Bowman is a joke and was nowhere near qualified to be GM of a team when he took over.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

just stop. this does not fall on the GM. So foolish. they were first in the league going into this losing streak, and that's not by chance or overachievement. Tallon is the reason we don't have Versteeg, Ladd, and someone else still on this team.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

They were first in the league due to a home heavy schedule. Did they really look that impressive from October-January? I can think of maybe 2-3 games they really looked great, the Vancouver road win in November, St. Louis road win in early December. The goal differential and goals-against per game really tell the story.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Game was awesome to be at. Although I can tell that many people in here aren't too happy with the result.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Ehhhhhhhhh

Just not a fan of JVR.

To the bolded: did you actual read Kimmo's comments?

Below are some quotes from the interview:

"Well obviously they got three [power play] goals, so it was huge. We were disappointed with the effort actually. The emotional level, playing against the top team in the conference...league...to be honest I think we got half the guys going half the guys not."

"Well it comes down to effort and talent and...everything. I don't think there's much of a skill level difference from the bottom team to the top team. It comes down to the system, how you execute the system, how do you play every night. Sometime you go up and down and then you lose games and that's not the way the championship teams play."

So is Kimmo lying when he comments about the effort and the dedication to playing Peter's system night in and night out?

To your other point, the road to the SCF must go through either Boston or NYR in the East. I don't think the Flyers coud beat either team in a 7 game series this year (even if the Flyers are healthy).

Are you o.k. with the Flyers trading a Read or a Couturier or Schenn to land a big name at the deadline? I'm not...

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Looked like a great atmosphere to be honest

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Great response by the Wings fans at the end of the game. Also cool for the Wings to salute the fans. Don't see that in a reg. season game too often. Suck Joey couldn't get the SO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aS6jd5xWKM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Last time DMB released an album the Pens won the cup that year. #justsayin

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

We can also go back further if you want. Since no season in 2005, 2002 Pens were...not so good and Wings won the Cup. 2001 was ECF's so that's pretty good. 1998 Wings Cup again and Pens were gone in round 1. You know....just saying. :)

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

asterisk, has to be

rangers salute most the time.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I thought so at first too but all 3 were in different eras. Bruins did it with only 10 teams and had overtime and Flyers didn't have OT but only had to deal with 18 teams. Plus yeah there are shootouts but since shootouts have started no other teams have done this either so again all three are completely different in my mind. Flyers is probably the most impressive since no OT.

Rangers should salute their fans every game. To keep showing up after all that money spent with very little results since 97 the team should thank them.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Kudos to you and other Preds fans. By all accounts, the fans there are awesome and really get behind the team, despite it being about as far from a traditional hockey market as you can get. I was reading an interview w/ Mike Fisher-Underwood recently, who was saying how much he loves it there because of the kindness and respect the fans show the players.

Actually being able to live with his hawt wife probably helps him love the city as well... ;)

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

He'd probably go to Winnipeg for her.:)

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

:lol truth bomb

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Apparently Marchand didn't appear in the Bruins Stanley cup championship DVD because he showed up drunk to the interview. :lol

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

:lol From the looks of the online pics, he and Seguin were pretty much drunk from the night they won the Cup up until training camp opened.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

A lot of fans were worried about them but they both came into training camp in great shape, and both are obviously taking a big step forward this year.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

^ Exactly. If they would've come in out of shape and gotten off to a bad start, I think they would've come under a lot of fire. But the fact they're both IMPROVING on their performance from last year says a lot about the work they put in between sessions at the bar. No harm done, you just shrug and chalk it up to boys being boys.

EDIT: Although I do sometimes worry about these kids getting too into it, on a slightly more serious note. I think I mentioned a few weeks ago about reading Theo Fleury's autobiography. He is quick to point out that all of his big problems started when he started drinking heavily with "the boys" as a rookie in the Flames farm system. As we know, it led to an insane addiction to cocaine and a myriad of other problems. I realize the majority of NHL players drink, I just hope these young guys can be more responsible about it than guys like Fleury, who basically drank and snorted his career away.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

The last time the Flyers won the Stanley Cup "Born to Run" came out.

Wait, I probably shouldn't have said that...damn it.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Great album though.

Not that it really matters, but the NYR do salute after every home victory.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Most teams don't though. And read my smart ass comment a few posts back... :)

I know, I got ya. ;)

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Tallon did an ok job of building up a really amazing team that for a really short run. But really, if we're totally honest, that's not the best way to win year after year. We got a bit of luck in the Cup season and I'm very grateful we were able to win it that year. But right now we are trying to build a team that can compete year after year.

Right now, I think Q absolutely has got to go. I'm really afraid that last night's loss just broke this team. They really did outplay the Predators and caught some unlucky bounces and a couple of goals that probably needed to be stopped by Emery. But at this point, Q doesn't know how to turn it around. He's run out of solutions, you saw it last night. Brunette - Kruger - Hossa 2nd line? That's just fucking nonsense. Q has to go, this team forgot how to win under him, and he has no idea how to stop the skid.

Stan's ultimate failure will be waiting far too long to pull the plug on Q and his coaching staff, because with this team and all of this talent, it is unacceptable to miss the playoffs and throw away a season when you have all of these guys in their prime.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

And I'm not trying to knock the Rangers I'm glad they finally got it right. Also easier to be happier with Sean Avery in the minors. I found it embarrassing from 98-2004 for them and I'm not a Rangers fan. How can you spend that much money and be so wrong every year?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

They should have been down 3-2 to the Preds. They could have been gone in round one that year which is hard to imagine the shit hitting the fan then.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

There are a lot of "could haves" in the NHL. Every team needs a bit of luck to win the Cup, no doubt about it.

Hawks proved that season that they were a great team, though.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Oh I know you were saying they got lucky and that was, imo, their luckiest. If the Preds play catch with it for that whole PP the game is over.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I'm sorry, but no one is as lucky as the 2010 Philadelphia Flyers. No team even comes close.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Certainly was their most lucky moment. But they still had to kill off 4 minutes of penalty at the start of overtime and did it. Hawks outplayed them in that game, though, and then outplayed them in the next game and won. Still certainly could have won that series even if they lost game 5.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Truth right here. Could have not even been in the playoffs and when to the 2nd to last game of the year.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I don't think he's lying, but I think he's talking about the recent losing streak and not some deep seeded ongoing problem (even if it's ongoing at the moment). You seemed to imply that he doesn't think the Flyers have given enough effort all year, when in actuality they're in a slump at the moment. However, even in that slump, there have been games where the offense has looked sharp but too many defensive breakdowns have cost them.

It depends on who that big name is. I think the Flyers will be fine offensively moving forward, but if they can get a defensive monster who can whip the D into shape, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to them making a move.

We do agree on one thing though -- as of right now, the Flyers can't touch Boston or New York. Not even close.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

If the NYR don't get to the ECF there's no way in hell Torts keeps his job

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

The Mike Green Effect

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steve...ffect/98/42202

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

A power play line of Ovi/Backstrom/Nash/Semin or Brouwer/Green just made me a little wet

God what an embarrassment. It was hard to tell people I was a rangers fan all that time.

As for the torts firing if they don't get to the ECF, I disagree. They've built this team directly with his system in mind. No way they can him if there's an early upset.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

You think that Green or Semin are on the block?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

I guess you have to get excited over little things when your team is entirely irrelevant.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

There is no way Nash is dumb enough to go the Washington.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...124914397.html

Wild prospect Justin Fontaine called the Foo Fighters "Foo Faggots" on Twitter and got suspended

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

For the Hawks fans in here:

https://twitter.com/#!/ToddCordell/s...86179783741441

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Sounds like rangers are out on Nash. I'm fine with that. It sounds like teams are interested in biron though. Maybe hawks?

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Regarding Nash, that is probably for the best. When a team is doing well, the last thing you want to do is upset the balance or chemistry they currently have going. Adding a guy like him could just as easily throw them off their groove.

Biron would be an interesting addition to the Hawks in that by all accounts he's one of the top team guys out there and would probably be an incredible influence on Crawford. However, he is not THE answer. It's like all the people who are clamoring for the Hawks to pursue Nabokov... I know he's had a good year for a bad team, but the guy is just a stone's crow from 40... not a long-term solution by any stretch of the imagination. Don't do what the Avs did and mortgage your future to win right now.

All that being said, I doubt the Rangers would be willing to part with a dependable, team-guy like Biron as they're gearing up for a long playoff run. I imagine the team wanting him would have to give up more than they'd be willing to pay for a backup goaltender.

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 

Kinda happened to the Flyers last season with Kris Versteeg. I thought the move would put them over the top. I was sorely mistaken