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It would probably put them in the 10-30 ranger BUT how good would they be? Win a Cup? probably not but ya never know. So do you take being a mid-level team for a few years with a for sure super star or do you take being crap for 3-5 years and with a little luck and some smarts get 4 studs to build around?

It just seems like you are thinking short term (3 years 12mil per) and isn't that what got the Leafs into this problem to begin with?

As for trading 4 #1's for Stamkos no you don't do it. First because of what is said below. A team like Tampa can't lose a guy like that. Ask Thrasherville how it was to lose Hossa and Kovy..oh wait it's now Jetsville. Secondly though it's a different situation if you have him. You don't trade him. Only let him go if you can't afford the contract. And he'd take those picks over anything that TO has that's for sure.

And again not against the offer sheet thing just saying why it's not happening. I can give a reason for every team in the league for not doing it. Not why they shouldn't but why they aren't. Whether it being money, cap space, or otherwise. Plus I think it's hard for GM's to give 12mil to him while Crosby and Ovie make 9mil each.

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I may be coming at it from a Leafs perspective, but it's really a league wide problem. Why couldn't the Jets offer it up. Florida. Tallon signed how many average players, why not get one superstar instead at the same price? Rangers pre Richards. Lots of teams have the financial wherewithal to do it. Philly. It's not the money. It's not the compensation. It's not even the principal.

It's only the fact that I'm from Toronto that it's from this standpoint. It's a league-wide issue and it's annoying, and it's annoying that it's not annoying more people.

The crosby Ovie money thing is simply a function of the economics now vs then. Similarly why this year's FAs got SO much more money. simply the times.

Anyway, it is what it is.

Crosby is skating full tilt apparently eh?

(which means Stammer is only the 4th best player now :)) :lol

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Because one superstar doesn't make a team. Florida is also now a very good team. They'll sneak into the playoffs for sure this season. Tallon is working his magic again.

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Jets are just under the floor right now and the 12mil it would cost would put them closer to the ceiling, which they can't operate it. They want to be financially viable and in that market pusing $60mil will hurt.

While FLA overpaid BIG TIME for mid-level talent having all those players will be good for them because they needed depth because they didn't have anyone signed. They would have still needed to sign more players even with Stamkos, which of course in turn pushes your payroll up even more. Plus would you leave a good team in Tampa for a crap team like FLA? And also you get into the timing thing. They offer him and he signs, you wait a week, TB matches anyway then who do you sign? All those guys you got are off the market. It's a big risk. Plus 4 first rounders will be very valuable to FLA with Talon there.

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Exactly. It would be ludicrous to suggest that Florida would spend $10+m on one player and give up 4 first-round picks. When you are a lower-payroll team like Florida, draft picks are extremely important. I'm not going to go ahead and say Kopecky, Versteeg, Fleischmann, and Campbell are going to make that a great team, but you need depth. One Stamkos isn't going to be any better when you surround him with shit.

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Hawks sign Lepisto and Frolik.

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Weird. So I guess they go to arbitration with Campoli and let him walk no matter the outcome? That sure is an odd move, when they could've probably traded away his rights for something.

Glad to get Frolik signed, hopefully for less than the rumored $2.3m per....either way, he has potential and can find a spot on this team.

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If the Jets GM goes to the 17th richest man in the world and says, hey, would you mind losing 5 mill a year to get the 4th best player in the league, who is only 21', what do you think Thomson would say? No, because it isn't economically viable? Give me a break!

Anyway, we will have to agree to disagree about this. I don't think we're making any headway here.

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Frolik may turn out to be a decent player... that was a good trade.

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Your forgot to include the part about not being able to contend for the cup because you won't have the cap space to put talent around him.

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They wouldn't compete for the cup without him either! Four first round picks will though? Maybe in 10 years. MAYBE.

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Having cap room to bring guys in and 4 1st round picks. I'd say if they manage things correctly they'll be a playoff team very soon with room to improve still.

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Bit of an overpayment for Frolik. Bye bye campoli

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No the point was made that the Jets are not going to spend the money to get to 60, just enough to get to the floor. enjoy mediocrity.

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This is so funny coming from a Leafs fan. :lol

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god, painful mediocrity. There were years in the late 90s and early 00s where we had really good teams. But man, ever since the lockout, jesus. It's been pretty bad. Between the jason blake signing and the jeff finger signing.... :lol

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Chipman is really the man managing this, Thomson is just an investor really, and he said they would have to be a mid-level team in terms of payroll I really do believe that. I am gonna take him at his word. $5mil a year in losses over how many ever years is huge for this market. I believe they are gonna run this team as well as possible and do what they can to make any losses minimal because of what happened 15 years ago.

We don't disagree really. I am not saying any team shouldn't do it. I'm giving you why team x isn't doing it. I can go through every team and give you what their thinking probably is about it. That's why all these talking heads are stupid. They are just looking at it as why hasn't someone signed him to an offer sheet? But when you look at each team and think about how they run things and what they can truly afford and/or what their plans appear to be in building their team you see why there really aren't that many teams who can afford him or would be able to pull this off. They also have to remember he's going to need to want to sign in said market.

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Bazinga!!

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:lol Thanks for taking that well. I wasn't sure how you'd react. Just giving you a hard time.

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It sounded kind of harsh when I read it. But I laughed.

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I wasn't trying to be a dick actually. I realized after I posted it that it may not come off well. :lol

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl-wp9133
These pictures are hysterical.

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dude, I'm well aware of how much the leafs are mediocre. and quick, name me the last superstar the leafs had. so when BB saves up like 15 mill in cap space, and stammer is available, it annoys me from a leafs fan front, in that why isn't he going after him. Also from an NHL fan standpoint too.

Thomson is an investor, but surely he would understand that having a superstar in your city would not hurt things and may be worth the investment. Better merchandising for one. Could you get away with charging more for your boxes? probably. It wouldn't make up the difference, but it would help. I don't see how losing money is a huge deal in this market as long as local ownership is willing to foot the bill. Just like buffalo. They're going to lose money, but the owner has deep pockets and doesn't give a crap.

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Can't believe the Hawks gave Frolik $2.33m/yr. For 3 years. For a RFA ineligible for arbitration. The guy has no leverage and you give him that money?

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If the Hawks gave Frolik that much money it really scares me to see what Marchand will want now. I was hoping he'd sign a 3 year/$8 million deal, but that Frolik deal could mess it all up.

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The city has been waiting for a team since '96. Selling tickets and merchandise won't be a problem.

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I understand having that cap space and not getting the big name can be annoying but it's Brian Burke. He isn't going to do that. Watching him in Vancouver and Anaheim it doesn't surprise me. He also wouldn't give that kind of money to a 21 year old (don't care who he is) and isn't going to give up 4 firsts. I know you say Stamkos is worth more but Burke isn't going to give it up. Haha not gonna give it up...sorry.

As for the Jets are you saying the owner of the Jets doesn't give a shit about money or the Sabres? Sabres I agree right now but for years they were a lower payroll team and did what they could. I'm gonna take Chipman at his word and they are going to build a foundation and build from within. That's not saying they don't pull the trigger later for a deal. But they have a crap load of holes to fill on that Thrasher/Jets team. I know you said you might not get a superstar later but it's a catch-22. You make the deal for a guy like Stammer now and maybe later with little cap space you can't fill the other holes. You build a good team over the next few years. Then when someone become available you go after them. Yeah you might not be able to get one but what's worse? Hard to say. Will they be mediocre? Maybe. Without a supporting cast they could be mediocre too though. And the Oilers suck right now and people still show up. So mediocre is great in comparison. Will they win a Cup doing it that way? Probably not but a lot of teams won't no matter what. That's the problem with 30 teams. You could spend a crap load of money and not have success. The smart teams do what's good for their team. Look at the Sharks. Spent money and kept losing in rounds 1 or 2. Now they get to round 3 but can't win. The Rangers do the same. Haven't been out of round 2 since 1997 and have probably spent more money than any other franchise in that time.

People always say the Wings are the model franchise. Well look at how they built that franchise. Going back to when Illitch bought the team in 82 they NEVER traded away a #1 pick until the Shannhan deal and that was pretty much THE deal that put them over the top.

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Hell, I'm gonna buy a shirt and I'm not even a Jets fan.

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Patrick Kane to have wrist surgery that will have him ready by training camp still. I know he'll be back on time but makes you wonder why they wait so long sometimes.

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It's Kane, so who knows what happened, could've been a recent injury while doing something stupid...

not really an issue as long as it doesn't effect his snapper.