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I hate that

edit: the fact that non-injury will be a factor, I mean

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Blackhawks have been more than stumbling into the playoffs. Add more injuries with possible Keith suspension, perfect recipe

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still not as bad as the time when PK Subban took out Claude Giroux's head and not only was not given a suspension, but not even a penalty on the play.


it was the same kind of hit that skanky james neal gave to giroux in game 4 of the ECQF in 2012, in which Neal was suspended a game.

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Keith was clearly off balance when he took that hit.

My mistake, watching it again he was facing Coyle when he was hit, still it was retaliatory heat of the moment smack by keith. Probably deserved a double minor but certainly not a match penalty much less a suspension, again as a former D man I would have reacted the same way.

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Here's the thing. Hits are apart of the game. Bad hits get penalized. Swinging sticks at heads are not apart of the game

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That fucking boggles my mind that injury is a factor. The intent was clear and it was ridiculously dangerous. You can't have Keath be a little baby about being upended and swinging his stick. He has a past he got 5 for an elbow to Sedin, 1 for his stick to Carters face and now this

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McSorley's stick tap on Brashear was retaliatory and heat of the moment too.

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Sorry man but you are wrong on this. As a professional he needs to have enough will power to not go all Barry Bonds if he gets floored

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Yep. Get up like a man, face him, and give him some shoves if you didn't like the hit (which I wouldn't even have called in a no-check league FWIW). A stick swing from the ice is about as pussy as it gets. Not to mention going for his face.

Or better yet, take his number and get him back later when he doesn't expect it. There's plenty of ways to CLEANLY retaliate in the NHL that are perfect legal. The hip check is my personal favorite.

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To Tim: we love you, care about you, and will always be here for you. We will rib you to death, but we'll still be here for you.

This is maybe the saddest part of the Avs missing the playoffs. #somedaymylove

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No, just pissed at the outcome.

I would swing like that after coyle flattened him while Keith was off balance.

I would have after what coyle did.

Dead sober, and I would never drink a girlie drink like zima anyhow!

Maybe, I would say 3 to 4 games tops.

That is what I mean and that was the cheapshot I meant. Also I seriously doubt he will get ten games and lets face it, Chicago is still the defending champions and team to beat in the playoffs. Also I would have done the exact same think Keith did, sure it was dumb but coyle deserved it for his action in flattening Keith while he was off balance and never even saw the hit coming.

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No one deserves to be swung at in the face by a stick

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Raffi Torres does

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Remind me to never play in a league with lcsulla. But I wear a full face cage. So maybe I'd be ok.

Whoever says he has the goggles on. This is correct.

I'd give Keith 7-10 for repeat offender. Dude gets heated and reckless. At least third or fourth incident now.

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just because a player is off balance doesn't mean a hit is dirty or a cheapshot. The hit wasn't blindside nor toward his back either. Keeth was facing Coyle.

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He deserves what he gets. No reason to do that, at all.

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You must not of sat at the cool table at school

Zima and cheeseburgers for the real men in here!

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I mean, dude, I play D too, but would never swing my stick up high at a guy like that. That's some busch league nonsense.

Would I have been happy about being taken down like that? No, when he does that you get up, take some hacks at his shin pads/legs next time, or give him a good shove in the back, maybe even wait until the next time you're tangled up and give him a quick elbow to the ribs or something...but don't swing a stick up at his fuckin' face.

At the least it's a game misconduct. Match penalty is probably right, but I could see a 5 minute major + game misconduct if you thought that MAYBE he did it on accident. But guys at that level have such good control of their sticks (that's what she said), accidental is a little far fetched. You might see that in some local D level men's league, but not the NHL.

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I would hate to get a shaft to the face.

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In Jamie's defense, I would have been pissed to be knocked over like that, too. Was it dangerous? No, but it certainly wasn't something I would be happy about. Just because they were facing each other doesn't mean it wasn't kinda cheap.

BUT, that's not saying Keith's actions are justified, just that I'd imagine 99% of hockey players would look to get some kind of little retaliation at some point. Keith just took it to level 100 when it should have been level like...7.

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I'm sure. It can be traumatizing. I have so much respect for anyone that's had it happen to them. Can't be easy.

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Yeah a hockey stick would suck too.

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Eh, I'd rather get the hockey stick to the face.

Just so everyone knows...we're talking about dicks. Like a penis. In the face. Penis in the face.

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Speaking as an Avs fan, dear Minnesota Wild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9W5GjEYKj8&t=13s

Seriously, though, we did this to ourselves. If anyone needs me, I'll be talking to some beers about this sadness.

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:lol christ on wheat toast

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:lol :lol

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You don't still play hockey do you? I sure hope not

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Yeah, like I was saying last night, there's plenty of other, cleaner ways to retaliate if you don't like the hit. Get his number and take care of it later, or at least get up and face him like a man.

My dad always said, "I don't mind if you get penalties, as long as you can see his face when you do it." I obviously didn't always remember that counsel, but the lesson is there.
I feel ya, brother. They constructed a pretty good team. Not a championship team but certainly a playoff team. They just can't finish games. There's no confidence, no swagger, and the team overall seems lost. No common goal, no sticking up for each other. A lot of positive growth from individual players, but nothing cohesive.

Yeah, the D needs to get better, but I think the problem is really leadership. I love the IDEA of Landy as a captain, but do they need to make a change there? I know not all leadership happens on the ice, but that component seems to be missing. And Iginla... Either he's hurt or just coasting through the final years of his contract.

And as much as the legend of Patrick is and always will be strong in Denver, it's time to take a hard look at whether he's working out. I mean, with the way they've played, especially these last 20 games, the coaching HAS to come into question. I think he gets one more season to see if they can try to rebuild some of the culture they were so close to attaining earlier in the season. Disappointing for sure, and frankly Minnesota just deserves it more.

I was gonna say last night, with all the things he's said he'd like to see happen to players, his statement that he would do the same doesn't really surprise me.

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I posted all day long yesterday and felt like I put in a pretty solid shift in this thread. I leave for a few hours and this is what the thread turns into?










.....I have never been so proud!

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:lol defending keith's actions

i saw someone say something negative about dumba
love the guy
is he known as being a dirty player?
if so, i haven't seen it

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Dumba's not dirty. He plays hard and physical for his size, but he's not dirty.

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can't believe Keeth hit Coyle in the face with his dick.

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:lol Duncan Keith :lol

:lol Sabres :lol

:lol Lcsulla :lol

#GarageLeague

and Duncan Keith definitely has a history of dirty, cheap shots...should've been a match penalty and 10 game minimum suspension...

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So on a lighter note, who's ready for cville?

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Keith just wanted some rest before the dance.

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has Dmbc overhyped the show yet?

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I very very rarely venture there, but probably

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Do they even make zima anymore? I have always been more of a beer and whiskey person. Cheeseburgers work with them too. :)

It was completely cheap because it had nothing do to with the run of play and it prevented Keith from getting back to help defend against a Wild rush. Agreed he took it a bit far and probably should have waited to get him along the boards and spear or cross check the guy but in a tie game (at that point) he did stop the Wild's rush. Guess we will see what the NHL thinks today, I can not imagine a lengthy suspension after a pissed off guy only got ten games (after appeal) for cross checking a ref in the back - maybe he gets 3 or 4 game any longer and it is BS and I am not even sure if you can appeal that one.

Yeah, I do but they are pick up games at local rinks where we don't even wear pads and no one checks very hard, your biggest concern would be getting hit with a puck, falling down and hitting your head or getting tangled in the net. We are all far too old to play full contact and we all have to go to work the next day so no one is trying to hurt anyone.

Did you see his head to head shot on Kane who never saw it coming? That is why Shaw was jawing at him and eventually dropped the gloves a bit later. It is also why half the team skated over to the box after the fight and shook Shaw's hand and the entire bench was clapping or tapping their sticks against the boards.

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:thumbsup

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Wait...this isn't just a website for talking about hockey?

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are you talking about the hit on the 20th? that was a clean hit. kane lost puck and paid price.

i assume there was some spill over from that hit into last nights game.

in terms of skating over to box and tapping sticks - that happens after a majority of fights. the fact that hawks players reacted like that isn't out of the ordinary.

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thank goodness the Flyers are home against the Capitals tonight, this way we don't have to sit through the Presidents' trophy banner raising.

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Don't think a president's trophy banner raising is anything the Flyers have ever had to worry about home or away.

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weeeeeeeeeeeeeee are the champions
my friends

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Fine by me.

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Hoping the Sharks get out of the 1st round this year. Probably won't happen.

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The point of hockeying is to earn the presidents trophy.

Duh, guys.

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if you win sport they give trophy
seems logical

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That's cute.

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I still have nightmares about that Sharks Vs Kings series a while back :shrug

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I keep forgetting that the Sharks are in the playoffs.

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I believe a team from California will probably win the Cup this year if that makes you feel any better.



....although I think the Sharks are the third most likely team from the state to win the cup.......




....sorry......



......they are still the Sharks.....

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It was 3-0.

:hug:hug:hug

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One of my worst ever moments as a sports fan :lol

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Been there for both sides of this.

Happy in 2004 when the Red Sox came back against the Yankees. One of the greatest sporting moments of my life.

Sad when the Flyers came back from 0-3 to knock out the Bruins in 2010. I was still following the Bruins like crazy back then. I remember I drove up from NJ to two of the home games in Boston for that series. They won the first one, but game 4 they got shut out. I was not worried....I was wrong to not be. Game 7 was crazy. Bruins went up 3-0 in that game too and gave up 4 to lose haha.

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Actually Kane never had control of the puck, he was trying to get control of the puck to feed Pananin before he entered the zone. No idea of the date (pretty sure you are right on that game though) but that was a brutal head to head hit as you can see in both a photo and video at this site:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/wa...-open-ice-hit/

Edit: Agree completely with your last statement, it is the norm when a fight breaks out due to a previous incident.

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Well, of course. On the other side, it was one of my favorite sport moments. The whole Kings 2014 run was just...magical and jaw dropping. Safe to say one of the greatest playoff runs in history. Two years later and I still can't believe it.

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In the history of the kings maybe...

I still prefer the Kings playoffs last year more.

That WCF in 2014 was a fun one though.

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yea that was brutal but Kane was clearly playing the puck. Dumba was well within his right to throw a check there but it would've been nice to see him get a little lower

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Agreed that he was playing the puck. However, a poke check on the puck, lying your stick on the ice or just lying down on the ice would have accomplished the same thing and been far safer for both players than a head to head check.

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i agree but until the league gets serious about player safety, this shit will happen every night

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In an unbiased opinion, I think it's pretty up there in history of playoffs. They were the definition of resilient that year. They fought with their backs against the wall every single step of the way.

They were the first team ever to play 3 consecutive game 7's, not mention all on the road. And they won them all. The 4th team to come from a 0-3 deficit.
26 games total. 10 OT's - 3 of those double OT. (5-2 OT record) (2-1 double OT record)
Also, Kings win NYR series 4-1 despite leading for only 19% of game action (NYR: 30%), 2nd-lowest pct for champ since 1939.

I don't see how that can be overlooked as one of the best playoff runs.

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Because my team lost in the finals. :p

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Well, of course. At least they were a part of history!

my heart still breaks for Lundqvist.

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:thumbsup and even though hardcore hockey people recognize coach Sutter as one of the best, he's still under appreciated in most circles. guys like Q and Torts and Vigneault get talked about a lot more, but Sutter is just as good, if not better than all of those guys

he knows how to control a bench and get his message across. he's flixible enough to adjust but stern enough to motivate. just a great coach from a royal hockey family

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Me too. He may go down in history as the best goalie never to win the cup. Although I really hope he gets one for us before he is done.

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He gets over looked because he's in the Western conference. Just like Kopitar, Toffoli and Doughty get overlooked.

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i don't know...voters love numbers and Karlsson had sexy numbers last year which is why he won the Norris...i'd say Doughty's worth is pretty well documented. i get what you mean though. if he played for an original 6, he might have a Norris by now

L.A., although in the west, is still a HUGE media market which you think would help but you're right, Kopitar and Toffoli are after thoughts a lot of the time

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Aaron Boone my friend, one of the best sports moments in my life. Even though he was awful hit a huge home run to get the Yanks to the series. Just wish I could have celebrated more, when he hit that dinger I was in a tux at a university fundraiser so no drinking or excessive celebration.

I still get a kick out of Boston fans who think I am bullshitting when I say that the 2001 WS lose was worse than the Sox comeback in 2004. In 2001 the Yanks had come back from a 2-0 deficit in the DS and won 3 in a row to advance, then they beat the snot out of the 116 win Mariners to get to the World Series, then beat that closer in games 3 and 4, we had champagne on the table ready to celebrate before Mo blew the save - we were just stunned and silent. In 2004 we went up 3 games to none but there was still about a week worth of games to play so as Boston won a couple of games I had time to consider that we might just loose the series - it was not yanked away in a split second like 2001.

Funny thing is I was in the bleachers for game 7 in 2004 fully expecting the Yanks to win. Watching a pair of Damon home runs fly over my head sucked and worse I could not even have a beer (they didn't serve it it the bleachers back then and you could not go into another section to get one) or a smoke to calm down (thank god for xanax)- I finally went into a bathroom stall to have a cigarette figuring if I got caught I would not get in much trouble and would happily tell the security guard that the Yanks owed me a smoke for how bad they played~ Lastly, this one was brutal - I left the stadium and was walking towards the car I turned around and walked back to an outside vendor and grabbed my closest friend a program knowing how much he'd appreciate it since he is a life long Sox fan!

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Completely agree!

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The bolded is the biggest problem. I mean, forget Corsi and Fenwick and all of that stuff. My Dad always used to say shots on goal is only proof that you know where the net is, not that you score. :lol We just die in the third period. When we went into the third trailing last night, it was like, well, I'm pretty sure our season is over.

It also doesn't help that we're in the toughest division in the NHL, but those are the breaks.

I think they wanted Iginla to bring that veteran leadership, but he's been a total nonfactor. I didn't expect him to be the superstar who led the Flames to the Finals, but he's been a ghost.

I agree on Roy. You can only ride that nostalgia trip for so long. This team isn't perfect, but neither was the 13-14 team that he guided to a division title.

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The 2003 ALCS sucked being a Sox fan. Grady Little lost us that series. All happened for a reason though. It set up the epic rematch that will go down as the greatest playoff series in history.

I can't speak for you, but I know my Yankees fan friends thought that series was way over. It never occurred to them that they could lose that series. Even going into game 6 and 7 they were cocky as shit. Nothing gave me that much pleasure!

2001 hurt because of 9.11.01. Even I was pulling for the Yankees in that series. I just wanted NY to celebrate again. I still think it helped the healing though. Just as I imagine 2013 helped Boston.


Edit: Sorry for the non-hockey chat in here!

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Yeah, Little blew that big time. No idea why he didn't bring in Timlin or Embree when the Yanks started rallying. I was stunned he didn't because they had been so effective.

Sure I was a bit cocky and confident when the Yanks were up 3-0 but once Boston won games 4 and 5 I started to have some doubt that we would win that series.

Agreed that 2001 and 2013 did a lot to heal both cities after terrorist attacks.

Also sorry for the non hockey chat!

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Wings could be sitting in 3rd today but nope they're fuckers.

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I doubt they will make any waves in the playoffs but I see no way that Carolina or Ottawa will win out and snatch Detroit's playoff slot - barring some major fluke obviously. I am pretty confident they will continue their streak of making the playoffs.

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you realize it has nothing to do with Carolina or Ottawa right?

Wings are on the outside looking in right now

same amount of points as the Flyers but the Flyers have 2 games in hand

after Philly won last night, not looking good for Detroit

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If the only way to be guaranteed home ice is the presidents trophy that's fine by me. The Caps have been bounced every year at some point with or without it so it makes absolutely no difference in and of itself.

We got home home ice. Lets go.

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I know that on an intellectual level, I was just pointing out that mathematically neither Carolina nor Ottawa are eliminated just yet.

EDIT: Gotta give the Wings fans SOME hope! :)

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yea true

would definitely be weird watching the first round with no Red Wings

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I was in middle school the last time they missed the playoffs! Hell I was still a die hard Whalers fan. :lol

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No I don't buy this. I don't think you got it until you read h2p's post.

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Flyers people. First round preview tonight? I think very possibly yes it is

Trotz shook the lines all around at morning skate. Word is it may be a disguise.

Seems like there's really no need to disguise it, but whatevs

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i think the Flyers or the Penguins could take out the Caps in round 1

no way the Pens are falling down to the 2nd WC at this point though...barring epic collapse

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I can read the standings as well as anyone and nothing in my post in untrue. Give me a little credit, I am not some idiot. I have been reading professional sports standings since before a lot the NHL players were even born.

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There's a team ahead of Carolina and Ottawa

Yet you mentioned those two teams

You also said "Detroit's spot", as if they are currently in one

Except they're not

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Could be the first round matchup and to be honest I hope the Caps clobber the Flyers and sow some seeds of doubt in the Flyer camp while breaking their franchise record for wins in a single season.

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So bummed I got to work through the game. Hope Washington rests everyone tonight and makes it easy :lol

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I am aware of that but I don't think the Bruins, the Islanders, or the Devils are going to cause many team in the East any big problems - except maybe by spoiling a game or two in the last few games. Of course I do not think it is 'their' spot' but I would not wager against them getting in, they have an obnoxious habit of seemingly always making the playoffs.

Edit: my reasoning is that Detroit is only 1 point behind Boston for third in the eastern conference and both have played an equal number of games.

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i would totally bet against Detroit right now

24 year streak is impressive but math is math

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Caps game literally means nothing. Just trying to mix some things up to see how pairs play with each other. Perfect game to experiment with Oshie out.

The only player who will see a lot less ice time for sure will be Orlov. Orlov has been a liability on D. Will still see PP time though. Wouldn't be surprised if Trotz rolls 2 Dman pairing for the majority of the time in the playoffs

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There is a rink full of teams you could bet against right now considering the only team in the Eastern Conference who has actually secured a playoff spot is Washington. :lol

Talk about down to the wire!!

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In all seriousness though, how the Hawks fan in here not concerned about their team? Playing sub .500 since ASG, injuries and that second line slowing down in scoring. THey haven't been the same Hawks by any stretch

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Not really concerned about much except that they cannot seem to score on a PP. New guys are gelling, the Toews line is taking on more the scoring load than before the ASG, the Anisimov line is as dangerous as any line in the league - admittedly I like having Teravainen center that line a bit more than Anisimov, Kruger is back and healthy, their PK is playing great, the third line is playing solid hockey, Shaw is playing damn good recently, fourth line is doing exactly what you want out of them, Seabrook should be back for Friday's game and with some luck both Crawford and Keith will be back soon. The Hawks are capable of flipping a switch in a new york minute and to be honest I doubt any team really wants to face them in the playoffs.

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you'd make a fine pitt boss for the expansion team

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sow some seeds of doubt?

Don't think so. I don't think anyone realistically is expecting the Flyers to win tonight. We'll be lucky to get a point. Our only hope is that Washington is a little flat after wrapping up the Presidents' Trophy and we get to Holtby early.

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3 Cups in 5 years. They also lost like 4 straight going into the playoffs last year. And 1919191919191919191919191919191!!!!!!!!! 88!!!88!!!88!!!88!!!88!!88!!!!

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I know the Caps habitually stumble in the playoffs but I would not want to face them in a first round matchup in a couple weeks, especially if they go out tonight and convincingly beat the Flyers.

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Of course not, their goal differential is like an insane +108.

I don't think the Caps will sweep the Flyers in a playoff matchup. They actually match up really well against one another physically, goaltending wise, and maybe defensively.

Offensively, without question the Caps are better than anyone outside of Chicago.

EDIT: Even if the Caps demolish the Flyers tonight, it will mean nothing. Regular season wins mean jack when it comes to the playoffs.

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I'd be more worried about the Caps than the Hawks. As Aero mentioned, the Blackhawks have actually won stuff in recent years while the Caps have consistently choked.

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:lol i see what u did...

:thumbsup all of this