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Bron Yr Aur 02-15-2012 01:25 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13348309)
Regarding Nash, that is probably for the best. When a team is doing well, the last thing you want to do is upset the balance or chemistry they currently have going. Adding a guy like him could just as easily throw them off their groove.

Biron would be an interesting addition to the Hawks in that by all accounts he's one of the top team guys out there and would probably be an incredible influence on Crawford. However, he is not THE answer. It's like all the people who are clamoring for the Hawks to pursue Nabokov... I know he's had a good year for a bad team, but the guy is just a stone's crow from 40... not a long-term solution by any stretch of the imagination. Don't do what the Avs did and mortgage your future to win right now.

All that being said, I doubt the Rangers would be willing to part with a dependable, team-guy like Biron as they're gearing up for a long playoff run. I imagine the team wanting him would have to give up more than they'd be willing to pay for a backup goaltender.

Hawks aren't looking for a long-term solution, I don't believe. Team has a pretty good G prospect in the AHL and probably hopes Crawford can bounce back. But at the moment they surely don't want to throw the season away. Need a short-term fix in goal to shore things up. Nabokov would be perfect for the "right now."

fonzz41 02-15-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13348370)
Hawks aren't looking for a long-term solution, I don't believe. Team has a pretty good G prospect in the AHL and probably hopes Crawford can bounce back. But at the moment they surely don't want to throw the season away. Need a short-term fix in goal to shore things up. Nabokov would be perfect for the "right now."

Yeah, but at what expense? The Isles, as long as they have even a fighting chance at making the playoffs (and I don't think they will), will be tight-fisted. It's what I was saying about the Avs... are you ready to part with what the Isles will be asking for in order to get a short-term fix?

I hate to say this, but the Avs trading for Adam Foote in '08 was a perfect example of this. They got one of the best leaders in the NHL and a popular player with the team, but was it worth the first rounder they gave up for the guy, who was already approaching the end and had a body that had taken a hundred-too-many pucks and cross checks over the years? When Foote retired, as cool as that was to see him do it in an Avs sweater, what did they have to show for it?

I'm not saying it's the WRONG thing to do, just saying it's not something you do lightly. If the Hawks get Nabokov and then win the Cup, I will BUY a Darren McCarty Wings jersey. You can hold me to that, Tim.

lockman21 02-15-2012 02:29 PM

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Fuck Nabokov.

If the Hawks trade for him, I'm personally going down to Bowman's office so I can poke him in the eyes.

lockman21 02-15-2012 02:37 PM

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Roenick feels the need to say the Hawks should trade Kane for a big time goaltender and that Q should be the last man to leave Chicago.

Shut up Jeremy. Seriously, shut the hell up.

Roose13 02-15-2012 02:41 PM

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I'll take Kane for Bryzgalov.

lockman21 02-15-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 13348707)
I'll take Kane for Bryzgalov.

That would be a humongous mistake for us. Humongous.

fonzz41 02-15-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13348711)
That would be a humongous mistake for us. Humongous.

Humongous Big.

lockman21 02-15-2012 02:47 PM

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Does anyone here actually say the word humongous the way it's supposed to be pronounced anymore?

Roose13 02-15-2012 03:23 PM

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Nope....

DMBCubs25 02-15-2012 04:04 PM

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JR just likes to hear himself talk, no substance in any of his "comments"

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 05:07 PM

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The Hawks need to just win so that people will shut up. The idiots talking is bothering me more than the actual losing streak

"Stan Bowman sucks! Trade Kane!"

If Stan Bowman sucks so much, wouldn't trading Kane hurt us?

s0628711 02-15-2012 05:34 PM

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I wonder I'd lundqvist plays tomorrow. I would say yes then give biron the start against columbus Sunday, then hank again Tuesday at pittsburgh.

Bron Yr Aur 02-15-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13348646)
Fuck Nabokov.

If the Hawks trade for him, I'm personally going down to Bowman's office so I can poke him in the eyes.

Why the Nabokov hate? He's having a damn good season behind a bad team. I mean, I think I recently heard that Nabokov was happy with the Isles. But he would be a perfect rental for the last quarter of the season and wouldn't cost too much because he's only on a 1-year deal. Perhaps the opportunity for him to (possibly) showcase himself for other teams in the playoffs and down the stretch would be attractive.

Because at this point, Crawford & Emery aren't taking this team anywhere. At a certain point, you have to bail on those two because you cannot just simply continue to hope that one of them is going to turn it around.

fonzz41 02-15-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13349791)
Why the Nabokov hate? He's having a damn good season behind a bad team. I mean, I think I recently heard that Nabokov was happy with the Isles. But he would be a perfect rental for the last quarter of the season and wouldn't cost too much because he's only on a 1-year deal. Perhaps the opportunity for him to (possibly) showcase himself for other teams in the playoffs and down the stretch would be attractive.

Because at this point, Crawford & Emery aren't taking this team anywhere. At a certain point, you have to bail on those two because you cannot just simply continue to hope that one of them is going to turn it around.

It's not that he hates Nabokov, cuz he's having a damn fine season. The Problem is exactly that- the Isles know his potential worth and aren't just going to roll over for a seventh rounder or something. They'll demand a good return, which means most likely some good young talent.

I don't think anyone would argue his value to a team like the Hawks, the question is if he's worth the price. I don't think he is.

~Crashintome89~ 02-15-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 13348707)
I'll take Kane for Bryzgalov.

Excuse me while I go jump off a cliff.

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 13350068)
Excuse me while I go jump off a cliff.

as in you wouldn't take that trade? Because then you should go jump off a cliff

DMBCubs25 02-15-2012 09:22 PM

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Trading Kane would be extremely stupid. Don't see anything wrong with questioning Bowman though, really what moves has he made outside of re-signing Stalberg and signing Mayers have really benefited this team at all? Trading Kane? Dumb. Questioning Bowman? Very legitimate.

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 13350232)
Trading Kane would be extremely stupid. Don't see anything wrong with questioning Bowman though, really what moves has he made outside of re-signing Stalberg and signing Mayers have really benefited this team at all? Trading Kane? Dumb. Questioning Bowman? Very legitimate.

Who SHOULD have Bowman have gotten this summer? Who did he miss out on that would have this team over the top right now?

The Hawks had one of the best offseasons of any team because they improved their team, and didn't overpay for anyone. MAYBE Montador is overpaid, but I would like to see him play with a real defender before I make that call. How would the Ehrhoff, Leino, or Kopecky contracts look right now? Downright frightening.

It so easy to say he signed the wrong people, but who were the right people?

Bron Yr Aur 02-15-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13350279)
Who SHOULD have Bowman have gotten this summer? Who did he miss out on that would have this team over the top right now?

The Hawks had one of the best offseasons of any team because they improved their team, and didn't overpay for anyone. MAYBE Montador is overpaid, but I would like to see him play with a real defender before I make that call. How would the Ehrhoff, Leino, or Kopecky contracts look right now? Downright frightening.

It so easy to say he signed the wrong people, but who were the right people?

Yeah, these are good points. He missed on Frolik, badly. It was a good trade at the deadline last year but a bad re-signing. The kid has regressed really badly since his time in Florida.

Montador...eh, a bit over-paid. Same for Brunette. Both bring some nice veteran leadership. Montador is a decent 2nd-line d-man who just hasn't gotten enough minutes. Montador is also willing to scrap which is nice, not too many of those on the team.

Carcillo was a valuable member of the team before his injury. Very few guys on this team are looking to play physically and he was one of them.

Crawford contract looks bad but that's just what he earned after the season he had. He could turn it around next year, who knows?

Mayers....great pick-up. Perfect 4th liner, will fight, can throw a puck into the net occasionally, wins faceoffs.

Traded away Campbell and got out from underneath that contract. Campbell is a decent player, but pretty poor in his own end and no way we could live with that cap hit for another 4 years.

I definitely believe Stan hasn't been able to make any big moves, partly because of the market, but also because ownership doesn't want to take on any more salary. Because of the money paid to guys not even on the team ($8m to Huet + Olesz) and the front-loaded contracts to a handful of guys, ownership is actually paying out more than $75m in player salaries this year (while cap hit is ~ $59m).

Fact is the team as constructed should be better than it is. If you want to blame Stan for not firing Q by now, fine. If this thing totally falls apart and the GM fails to pick up a goalie or fire the coaching staff, then he deserves just as much blame for failing to see the writing on the wall.

fonzz41 02-15-2012 09:56 PM

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Let's be honest, Patty Kane isn't going anywhere.

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13350297)
Montador...eh, a bit over-paid. Same for Brunette. Both bring some nice veteran leadership. Montador is a decent 2nd-line d-man who just hasn't gotten enough minutes. Montador is also willing to scrap which is nice, not too many of those on the team.

Brunette is a one-year deal, low risk, just like OD, Lepisto, Mayers, Emery, and Carcillo were. There were no long term fixes in Free Agency and Bowman didn't overpay.

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Crawford contract looks bad but that's just what he earned after the season he had. He could turn it around next year, who knows?
I think Crawford just needs some confidence, but it's not a miss because of the season he had last year. No one saw this coming.


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Traded away Campbell and got out from underneath that contract. Campbell is a decent player, but pretty poor in his own end and no way we could live with that cap hit for another 4 years.
This is all kinds of wrong. Campbell is a decent player? the guy is a stud. One of the fastest D-Men in the league and there aren't many guys in this league who are better at getting the play going the other way than him. I could probably count the # on one hand. He's pretty poor in his own end? This is stupid. Just look at how lost Hammer is in his own zone and how burned he gets playing with Leddy, who truly is bad in his own zone. Brian Campbell eats up rebounds or board battles, and instead of just getting the puck out of the zone, he gets the puck into the other teams zone and starts up some offense. the ONLY reason he got traded is the contract, and I really really miss him. this team would be great with him right now.

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Fact is the team as constructed should be better than it is. If you want to blame Stan for not firing Q by now, fine. If this thing totally falls apart and the GM fails to pick up a goalie or fire the coaching staff, then he deserves just as much blame for failing to see the writing on the wall.
and you don't fire a coach over a losing streak, you fire him because of a season that goes down the pipes. the cup team lost 7 of 9 in March, but it felt a lot better than this because they didn't plummet in the standings at all, they didn't even lose a place in the standings.

fact is is that nobody is going to want to play the Hawks come playoff time, and they have all the makings of getting hot at the right time and doing well. Can you imagine the confidence they could have if they can pull off a win tomorrow against what I think is the best team in the league right now? People need to back off the cliff. Firing Q, trading Kane, trading for Nabakov, Firing Bowman....no, none of these are the answer, so stop.

This is also the last time I will be addressing the lunacy of some (most) Hawks fans.

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13350300)
Let's be honest, Patty Kane isn't going anywhere.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup x1000, and he absolutely shouldn't.

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 10:20 PM

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Would have made this an edit, but I'm a little late and I just found this.

4 active players have posted 70+ points in each of their first 4 seasons. Ovi, Crosby, Malkin and....Kane. Nash has hit 70 points once. Kane is also only 23 years old.

Do you see what I'm dealing with here?

Bron Yr Aur 02-15-2012 10:23 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13350323)
This is all kinds of wrong. Campbell is a decent player? the guy is a stud. One of the fastest D-Men in the league and there aren't many guys in this league who are better at getting the play going the other way than him. I could probably count the # on one hand. He's pretty poor in his own end? This is stupid. Just look at how lost Hammer is in his own zone and how burned he gets playing with Leddy, who truly is bad in his own zone. Brian Campbell eats up rebounds or board battles, and instead of just getting the puck out of the zone, he gets the puck into the other teams zone and starts up some offense. the ONLY reason he got traded is the contract, and I really really miss him. this team would be great with him right now.

I fail to understand this thinking. Campbell was often relegated to 3rd d-pair duty on this team. Board battles? You serious? Campbell is one of the softest d-men in the league. Yeah he has speed. Leddy is just as quick on skates. Campbell always looked afraid of getting hit when he played in his own end. He's a nice piece at half his price. No chance is he anywhere near worth that contract. You can hate Hjalmarsson all you want, but what do you expect...he's paired with Nick Leddy! Of course that line is going to be disastrous. Of course, Nik Hjalmarsson also is one of very few players on this team willing to block shots and the team sorely misses him when he is hurt.


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and you don't fire a coach over a losing streak, you fire him because of a season that goes down the pipes. the cup team lost 7 of 9 in March, but it felt a lot better than this because they didn't plummet in the standings at all, they didn't even lose a place in the standings.
I think you said it...they didn't lose a place in the standings. Right now, Q doesn't know how to turn it around. Don't even try to pretend things were ever nearly this bad that year.


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fact is is that nobody is going to want to play the Hawks come playoff time, and they have all the makings of getting hot at the right time and doing well. Can you imagine the confidence they could have if they can pull off a win tomorrow against what I think is the best team in the league right now? People need to back off the cliff. Firing Q, trading Kane, trading for Nabakov, Firing Bowman....no, none of these are the answer, so stop.
C'mon now. This is just not true. Plenty of teams would be jumping for the opportunity to play a team with terrible goalie play; a team that is as soft, as unwilling to hit as the Hawks.

Hawks have 1 more point this year than they did last year after 57 games. We are now 3 points ahead of 9th place. How many more losses until you think the coach needs to go? Are you just willing to throw the season away in hopes that it will just turn around? Last year the team battled more injuries and had a worse roster. What's the excuse now?

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13350339)
I fail to understand this thinking. Campbell was often relegated to 3rd d-pair duty on this team. Board battles? You serious? Campbell is one of the softest d-men in the league. Yeah he has speed. Leddy is just as quick on skates. Campbell always looked afraid of getting hit when he played in his own end. He's a nice piece at half his price. No chance is he anywhere near worth that contract. You can hate Hjalmarsson all you want, but what do you expect...he's paired with Nick Leddy! Of course that line is going to be disastrous. Of course, Nik Hjalmarsson also is one of very few players on this team willing to block shots and the team sorely misses him when he is hurt.

maybe when you understand that we don't win the cup without him coming back early in the Nashville series, and we don't make the playoffs without him last year, then we can discuss Campbell, since apparently you think he played on the 3rd pairing? Look how awful our defense is this year, and we improved at every slot on the D except one, Leddy for Campbell. Keith is better, Seabs is about the same, and the 3rd pairing is better than last year.


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I think you said it...they didn't lose a place in the standings. Right now, Q doesn't know how to turn it around. Don't even try to pretend things were ever nearly this bad that year.
so the timing of the slump, and the fact that other teams were closer in points to us this time as opposed to two years ago is the reason to fire Q now? we lost 7 out of 9, and in the middle of it lost Campbell for what we thought was until the 2nd round, which would have cost us the whole season. The losses in Philly, to Washington, to Anaheim, and the back-to-back losses to Columbus were worse than most of the losses on this current losing streak. The fact that they are all piled together is what is making it feel so bad. All of the games I named from 2010 just now were worse losses than what we have had now because we STILL hadn't figured out our goaltending, and Campbell and Johnsson were both injured. I thought that we were done and would be knocked out in the first round, and I didn't even trust our goaltending going into the playoffs. The thing now is that it is February and the trade deadline hasn't even happened. Let's wait until they break out of the slump before we jump off a cliff and fire everyone.


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C'mon now. This is just not true. Plenty of teams would be jumping for the opportunity to play a team with terrible goalie play; a team that is as soft, as unwilling to hit as the Hawks.
Take this quote, and put it at this time last year because it is just as true now. Then remember the series last year against Vancouver.

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Hawks have 1 more point this year than they did last year after 57 games. We are now 3 points ahead of 9th place. How many more losses until you think the coach needs to go? Are you just willing to throw the season away in hopes that it will just turn around? Last year the team battled more injuries and had a worse roster. What's the excuse now?
The team did not battle more injuries last year, that is just untrue. Kane, Sharp, and Toews are all somewhat hurt right now, that is more than anything we had last year. So were one point ahead of last year, in the midst of a 9-game losing streak. WE HAD 97 POINTS LAST YEAR. What part of that is bad? If we would have just gotten to overtime in game 82 we would have been the 5th seed.

It is impossible to judge a team during a losing streak, just like it's impossible to judge a team over a winning streak. we have had two seperate stretches of getting points in 7 and 8 straight games, so let's back off the cliff. This is the exact same team that did those things.

DMBCubs25 02-15-2012 10:46 PM

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Kane should not be going anywhere but one has to wonder if the wrist is still bothering him somewhat. Just has not looked himself at all this year but that's no reason to throw him to the wolves. Would it be the worst thing in the world to try him back at center again? To be honest that's when he looked his best this year.

bonzo48280 02-15-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 13350354)
Kane should not be going anywhere but one has to wonder if the wrist is still bothering him somewhat. Just has not looked himself at all this year but that's no reason to throw him to the wolves. Would it be the worst thing in the world to try him back at center again? To be honest that's when he looked his best this year.

I wouldn't mind trying it, but I wish Sharp would just do it. Kane said the other day his wrist still bothers him.

Brohan_Santana 02-16-2012 01:05 AM

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The Caps are far from irrelevant. Their one win away from playoff contention and they can easily beat NYR in a 7 game series with a healthy Backs and Green. And all of you are very misguided if you think the Caps won't make a move before the deadline. It's hard to see Carter, Ruutu or Nash not wearing a Caps uni by the time March rolls around. Put one of those on Ovi's line and you have a completely different team. No more triple teaming Ovi.

~Crashintome89~ 02-16-2012 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13350187)
as in you wouldn't take that trade? Because then you should go jump off a cliff

I want no partof that ass clown. He could ne'er shake off the stigma of scoring that goal either and if he continued his party ways, especially after Rochards and Carter, the fans would turn pretty quick.

kev87lads 02-16-2012 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 13350418)
The Caps are far from irrelevant. Their one win away from playoff contention and they can easily beat NYR in a 7 game series with a healthy Backs and Green. And all of you are very misguided if you think the Caps won't make a move before the deadline. It's hard to see Carter, Ruutu or Nash not wearing a Caps uni by the time March rolls around. Put one of those on Ovi's line and you have a completely different team. No more triple teaming Ovi.

:lol Cause they've beaten some many other opponents in the playoffs when those two have been healthy. Are you serious? Even with a trade addition, they couldn't touch the Rangers. There's a reason the Rangers have 18 points more than the Caps and they play in a much stronger division. Keep up with the times bucko.

dmbetc 02-16-2012 06:34 AM

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