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Gotcha. Yeah, I think I'm with you. Unless I already like the direction of the team, the city seems cool, and I just know the money's not going to get much better, you better believe I'm waiting to hear other offers. Just seems smart to do my due diligence.

Like, if I'm Ballard, Florida might not be a bad situation with the team they have. And hey, living in Florida wouldn't suck. But if I'm Goligoski? Eh.... don't call us, we'll call you.

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I don't think the Rangers have done much of this in the last 5 years.

I actually don't consider rebuilding a failure of a season. I would actually welcome it. I could see how my post came off that way though haha

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not to the old ways but Marty St. Louis, Keith Yandle in back to back years right?

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Yeah teams are just giving those away.

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The thing about Andersen, is he for sure the guy? He's an upgrade, don't get me wrong but he hasn't proven too much yet. Could this be another Bernier situation where they thought they were getting a guy who was just in the shadows and become the big man in TO. Also remember Monster was look at as the future too. Man that team sure eats goalies don't they?

With Buffalo trading to get Vessey's rights, I think my Buffalo option for Stammer is done. They look to be going 100% young which is a fine option. I don't think Tampa happens. Part of me thinks it would have by now and there are just too many guys to sign. I think Toronto or Detroit are at the front. I would have it leaning towards TO.

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:lol:lol

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Calgary might get Bishop. Looks like Tampa's intent to keeping Stamkos, or at least getting another high prospect F if they get the 6th overall pick, which I imagine they'll get.

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not to mention giving up two 2nd round picks plus a 3rd round draft pick prospect in Aleksi Saarela for...wait for it....Eric fucking Staal :lol

Rangers love big names who can't play anymore or overpaying stars despite the depth of the rest of the roster

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Could help keeping Stammer but Bishop was gone in a year anyway so not like it changes much past this year in terms of $$ available.

Now, if I'm Calgary, you better give me time to work out a deal cause no fucking way I give up a high prospect and/or top pick for a guy who is a UFA in a year.

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would be bad news for the Pens...might mean riding the 2 goalie system for another year

would hurt the cap situation and might become toxic in the locker room

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All things being equal, I'd take MAF over Bishop cause he's locked in for a few years.

As for the locker room, you really think it would screw things up? Howard and Mrazek got along fine and Jimmy was actually replaced by Mrazek it wasn't an injury thing. Cap issues, yeah that'll fuck you but I'd think these guys could handle it for a year if they had to.

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i would fully expect them to be professional about it and not make anything public

however, you could just tell by Fleury's body language that he didn't fee like a part of the Cup run. He quickly picked up the Cup and put it back down. he didn't want much recognition at the parade. It's pretty clear that he wants out now so he can be "the guy" again.

and i don't blame him

the crazy part is that Rutherford fully expected him to be the guy for a while, as proven by the lengthy extention Fleury was given. We all knew Murray was the heir apparent, but no one predicted it would happen this quickly.

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I wouldn't worry about the reports yet. Puck Daddy put some water on that with some another tweet from this dude.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...150816029.html

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even still, i heard a "stat" the other day about Jim Rutherford and draft day

don't quote me on the exact numbers but it was something along the lines of: Jim Rutherford has been a GM/front office guy for 22 years and has made a draft day trade 18 times

he LOVES making moves during the draft

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If the Flames are going to get Bishop, they're giving away the 6th overall pick. That's that.

It makes much more sense for the Flames to give up the 6th overall pick for Bishop than it is for Fleury for obvious reasons.

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I'm sure they fully expected to groom Murray for another year or two. If Fleury doesn't get a concussion on March 31, he's the goalie for the Cup run and we aren't having this discussion. And given how the team performed, I truly believe they would have won the Cup regardless of who was in net.

But that's not what happened. Despite a few hiccups, Murray performed admirably. But can he keep it up?

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yea i agree

in fact, the Pens might've won the Cup in even quicker fashion if Fleury is healthy

he had his best season ever

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Goalie ones almost always happen between the end of the playoffs and the draft too so... If I'm TBL, I keep Bishop unless you 100% need to move him for Stammer, who I wouldn't keep because of all the other RFA's coming up. But he's a UFA next year and will walk so why not take advantage of it for a year?

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i agree. if i'm the Lightning, i could taste the Cup the last 2 years. might as well load up while you can and give it another go

at least that's how i'd be thinking as a TBL fan

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I want MAF in Calgary, Bishop to stay put and Howard to stay put and then Vegas take Howard in the expansion draft next year. :)

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They sure do. Hey it worked in 1994 so they've been trying it since with the likes of Kurri, Holik, lindros, bure, etc.

Isles talking to Edmonton again about Hall. Rumor is more Boychuk than Hamonic in talks since Chiarelli likes him from Boston days. Boychuk is my 8 year olds favorite player but I'd welcome that depending on the rest of the pieces going out from us.

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Dreger saying if it gets to July 1st, Detroit would be comfortable offering $10mil per for 7 years to Stamkos. Even with Datsyuk gone, they'd have to make room to sign the rest of their guys. If they could trade Howard and don't retain any salary, or not a lot, that could do it, but then you have to get a backup goalie too.

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Let me find Ilya Bryzgalov's phone number for you.

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He's too humongous big for me. Cap should be at 73 even if players escalate, which they probably will. That helps Wings with the whole Stammer and re-signing players but still gotta think room would be needed somewhere. Even trading a Brendan Smith or something might be enough.

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The Joe ends (regular season wise) April 9th against the Devils. I need to try to be there. Planned Disney trip I'm supposed to get back the day before. I will do whatever I can to get that.

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Yeah. They eat up goalies a bit. I don't think they have done a fantastic job bringing in good goalies.

Raycroft (Is tied for the record of most goalie wins in a season. What a BUM)

Toskala: Steaming pile.

The Monster: Would make one amazing save and then let in a Timbit goal immediately after.

Reimer: Kid tried harder than anyone i've ever seen. When he finally figured out his glove and rebound control a bit we shipped him out. Too bad. Not a world beater, but someone I didn't mind putting in the net every night.

Bernier: He has all of the stuff to be legendary, is just the craziest, strangest guy. Can't figure it out between his ears. And his wife is crazy fake looking and would be a horror to be around.

Anderson: All I've read about him is he is a good, Legit starter. Not a world beater but a quality guy that can put in minutes for you. I don't think he's going to be the tier of a Price or a Lunqvist but I think he has the potential to sit an echelon below that.

I think the difference between Bernier and Anderson is more so Bernier was always in the shadows. He never had a year where he just kind of took over. Quick was always just too good. Didn't Anderson come in and win the job, get the deep run in the playoffs and then have Gibson come in and beat him out the next year?

I thought I'd read that despite Buffalo getting Vessey's rights, he still intends to test free agency. Making Nashville very happy that they dodged that bullet. Maybe I read that wrong somewhere.

I can't imagine Detroit grabbing Stammer. With Datsyuk gone (Sorry for your loss) where do you find the money for him? Tavares next year maybe but can you make it work this year? I have a tough time believe you can get rid of Pavel's contract and I don't imagine many teams chomping at the bit to give Howard the net.

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It's true about all those goalies. Monster was a good backup here and in Boston.

Buffalo has until August 15th to sign Vessey before anyone else can touch him and he's played with Eichel. I think they work hard to get it done. My point there is I don't see them going big money on Stammer with a move like going after Vessey. With him and Eichel and others (assuming they sign Vessey) a $10mil cap hit could hinder them in a few years.

Wings could move Pavel to the Coyotes I'd think. They are around $20mil beneath the floor. Wings just need to figure out what is worth to give up to move him. Pulkkenin and a conditional pick would be worth it to me, if the Coyotes thought so. I don't know why they wouldn't. Get some assets without giving up ANYTHING and get you closer to the floor without actually having to pay Datysuk's contract.

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Sure. I get that. Buffalo just can't seem to do it these days. They lose out on everyone. I doubt they'll get Vessey (Actually wouldn't be surprised to see him in Toronto. His dad or uncle is on the scouting team here). I can't imagine, even with the money Stamkos plays in Buffalo.

I thought Holland wouldn't give up any real assets to get rid of his contract? Something about them being fine for a year.

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The other day he said he wouldn't give up top guys, so depends on what he considers a top guy. If they want to improve for next year, they aren't fine. They can't add much without moving Pavel's contract. Which, if he had said after the season, "we're going with the kids" I'd say ok...but he said he wants to improve. I wonder if it's part of his game to say he won't give up anything. Last year he said they wouldn't be active on July 1st and they went out and got Mike Green. He has to know it'll cost him something to move Datyuk's contract and he has to know the Coyotes are in a spot where they need to add salary. Smarter for them to add a contract like Datsyuk's (and not have to actually pay it) than to go into UFA and give 9mil to Lucic or something just to get to the floor.

I'm not holding my breath on Stammer though. I think they have a shot but it's a level playing field in terms of $$ these days. He's gonna get paid roughly the same no matter where he goes. He needs to decide what is the best fit for him.

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Listening to Dreger on Toronto 1050

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050...ender-1.512175

He's saying that he heard Holland is ok giving a 2nd rounder. If that's true, i think it happens. Savard was moved for a 2nd rounder so why couldn't Pavel be moved for it? I'd hate to give it up when you are transitioning to a young team and assets are very valuable but if you can get Stamkos...that'll be big.