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Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:06 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by pathetic (Post 15912344)
subban should definitely get atleast 1 game. Stone will probably miss the series.

you can have that opinion but it shouldn't be predicated on the fact that Stone is hurt.
i understand that way of thinking but it's a slippery slope handing out punishments based on the outcome.

barbogast 04-16-2015 12:07 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 15912340)
Based on the injury, he should get a game. I bet the NHL wish they had a do over right now. It was an overhand 2 handed slash. A serous chop. About as bad as it gets. I didn't see any of the rest of the game so I can't speak to the context of what else went down.

There is definitely validity to the idea of basing suspensions on injury. The problem, at least in my opinion, the injury is often much longer than the suspension. But suspending for a long length of time because a man goes down long term doesn't seem fair either. So it's tricky

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Originally Posted by pathetic (Post 15912344)
Stone will probably miss the series.

Unfortunately, I also think this ends up being the case

pathetic 04-16-2015 12:08 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15912351)
you can have that opinion but it shouldn't be predicated on the fact that Stone is hurt.
i understand that way of thinking but it's a slippery slope handing out punishments based on the outcome.

not when you have a repeat offender

TMoore4075 04-16-2015 12:09 PM

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It wasn't just a slash though. I mentioned earlier about how he choked up on the stick to then swing. The only time you really do that is to take a golf swing at the puck hoping to clear it, and that wasn't the case here.

Brohan_Santana 04-16-2015 12:09 PM

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Capitals came out flat. Very flat. No speed through the neutral zone. They will have to find a way to be quicker. Caps had a bunch of great opportunities in the 3rd where the game could have been knotted up but Islanders were in the shooting lanes all night line.

Good news is we saw the ceiling for the Islanders. They won't get any better than that. Caps need to turn it up. Quickly.

hailtopitt 04-16-2015 12:09 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15912351)
you can have that opinion but it shouldn't be predicated on the fact that Stone is hurt.
i understand that way of thinking but it's a slippery slope handing out punishments based on the outcome.

it's not based on the injury at all. it's about malice and.....see below

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Originally Posted by pathetic (Post 15912363)
not when you have a repeat offender


barbogast 04-16-2015 12:10 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15912349)
the bolded is hilarious.

Why is the bolded hilarious? Hockey is a violent game at it's core. Like Becca said, shit will indeed happen

Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:10 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15912349)
the bolded is hilarious.

and why do i need to stop with the garage league stuff? because i'd rather see skill on the ice instead of assaults with deadly weapons?

yes because there is no skill currently in the NHL.
and you're advocating making one of the most highly skilled players in the league sit out because emotions ran high during the game.

with you it always comes back to the fact that you don't think crosby is protected by the NHL. just give it up man, i watched three hockey games last night and thy were all fantastic to watch, there's nothing wrong with this league.

socopithy 04-16-2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15912304)
barbogast's posting is mirroring his team's play right now

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Originally Posted by socopithy (Post 15912321)
You mean he made one good point?

I'm devastated this didn't get a laugh or two. C'mon guys.

barbogast 04-16-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 15912367)
Capitals came out flat. Very flat. No speed through the neutral zone. They will have to find a way to be quicker. Caps had a bunch of great opportunities in the 3rd where the game could have been knotted up but Islanders were in the shooting lanes all night line.

Good news is we saw the ceiling for the Islanders. They won't get any better than that. Caps need to turn it up. Quickly.

Caps are fucked, bud. I have all time low expectations after last night

hailtopitt 04-16-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15912374)
Why is the bolded hilarious? Hockey is a violent game at it's core. Like Becca said, shit will indeed happen

yea, you're right. shit happens.

hard to have a counterpoint to such an in-depth analysis

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15912375)
yes because there is no skill currently in the NHL.
and you're advocating making one of the most highly skilled players in the league sit out because emotions ran high during the game.

with you it always comes back to the fact that you don't think crosby is protected by the NHL. just give it up man, i watched three hockey games last night and thy were all fantastic to watch, there's nothing wrong with this league.

:lol this has nothing to do with crosby

1. there is very little skill in the league right now dude. scoring is at an all time low for the modern game

2. emotions ran high? of course, its the playoffs. part of being a professional is being able to control your emotions. what a terrible excuse

3. hahahaha there's nothing wrong with the league? it's fans like you that will never allow the NHL to crawl out of it's prehistoric state

Brohan_Santana 04-16-2015 12:14 PM

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Suspend Subban for entire series or as long as Stone is out. Whichever one comes first.

Usually in the season the offender doesn't play the injuried players team until another week/month. In the playoffs in this case the two teams are playing the duration of a series. Would make sense.

Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:16 PM

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the point is that emotions ran high and there were multiple questionable plays by both teams that were dangerous. you are just looking at the one where a guy got injured and crying for a suspension.

i just watched it again several times trying to see your point, i just really don't think it's as malicious as you're making it out to be. if he hits him in the head area it's a different story. i think a double minor or a 5 minute major would have been fine, a game misconduct was a strong penalty but that's enough, time to move on.

hailtopitt 04-16-2015 12:17 PM

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i get it becca, you're old school

Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:19 PM

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im not old school, I enjoy the modern game and the recent changes you've made, you're just some kind of weird european hockey fan that wants to see guys stickhandle fast.

jrkarger 04-16-2015 12:20 PM

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JFC... he choked up on his stick and swung it at the dude like a baseball bat while the puck was no where near either of them.

There is BIG difference between a game being "chippy" and using your stick as a weapon.

That being just a "hockey thing" is pure BS.

TMoore4075 04-16-2015 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 15912386)
Suspend Subban for entire series or as long as Stone is out. Whichever one comes first.

They can't suspend a guy and leave it open-ended like that. It's X amount of games. That's one reason why the "suspend him for the same amount of games as the guy is injured" thing, will never happen.

jrkarger 04-16-2015 12:22 PM

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Next time a Pirates batter thinks about charging the mound when he gets beaned I think Hurdle should tell him... "take the bat with you. Game's getting chippy. Just one of those baseball things."

hailtopitt 04-16-2015 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15912400)
im not old school, I enjoy the modern game and the recent changes you've made, you're just some kind of weird european hockey fan that wants to see guys stickhandle fast.

no, i just want hockey, not street fights but you'll just find a way to twist those words too.

the league should be embarrassed, honestly

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Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 15912401)
JFC... he choked up on his stick and swung it at the dude like a baseball bat while the puck was no where near either of them.

There is BIG difference between a game being "chippy" and using your stick as a weapon.

That being just a "hockey thing" is pure BS.

fighting an uphill battle bud

it's "part of the game" and "emotions were running high" so it's ok to commit assault

Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:23 PM

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well you've just blown the entire thing completely out of proportion now.

hailtopitt 04-16-2015 12:23 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 15912404)
Next time a Pirates batter thinks about charging the mound when he gets beaned I think Hurdle should tell him... "take the bat with you. Game's getting chippy. Just one of those baseball things."

i wonder why more linebackers don't just use their helmet to take swings at lineman's knees. emotions run high in the 4th quarter

Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:25 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15912409)
i wonder why more linebackers don't just use their helmet to take swings at lineman's knees. emotions run high in the 4th quarter

you can't do the ricky/pathetic routine as well as they can. leave it to the pros.
also you should watch the play again. it's just not as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

Brohan_Santana 04-16-2015 12:25 PM

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This argument is just getting retarded

jrkarger 04-16-2015 12:26 PM

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:lol Emotions were definitely high when Tomlin tried to trip the guy from Balt. I mean it was the second half. He was probably hungry too. It was Thanksgiving night.

barbogast 04-16-2015 12:26 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Shit like this happens ALL THE TIME in hockey though. No ones saying it's not a vicious and unnecessary play. But he was given a game misconduct for it. That's a fair penalty for a play like that

pathetic 04-16-2015 12:27 PM

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who cares if he meant to break his wrist or not? I think he meant to slash the stick hard enough to break it, but he did hit the wrist and stone's out for the series. game misconduct was definitely justified. Subban is a repeat offender and should get more than just a slap on the wrist.

TMoore4075 04-16-2015 12:28 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15912414)
you can't do the ricky/pathetic routine as well as they can. leave it to the pros.
also you should watch the play again. it's just not as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

He choked up and swung and Stone wasn't anywhere near the puck. PK ain't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Nothing to do with defense and not like he was getting him back for something.

barbogast 04-16-2015 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15912414)
also you should watch the play again. it's just not as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

It really isn't. He swung at maybe half force. But probably less than that

fonzz41 04-16-2015 12:28 PM

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Finally got around to watching the Subban slash, which seems to be the hot topic today. :lol

Matty's ruling (FWIW): 5-minute major. No game misconduct, no suspension. Still very reckless and dangerous though. What makes it a major instead of a minor, IMHO is a) being away from the play, and b) Subban choking up on his stick like that before swinging. No place for it. Sit him down for five.

My favorite part of the whole thing is Subban jumping up and down like a little bitch right after the whistle blew.

Rebecca De Mornay 04-16-2015 12:29 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15912417)
Shit like this happens ALL THE TIME in hockey though. No ones saying it's not a vicious and unnecessary play. But he was given a game misconduct for it. That's a fair penalty for a play like that

right.
im not saying it was ok, i just don't think it warrants being suspended from a playoff game especially since he already missed most of one.
he definitley takes a bigger swing than most slashes but i wonder if he was actually trying to hit him in the wrist, stone kind of skates into it. if he just knocks the stick out of his hands it's 2 minutes.


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