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hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:11 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15296342)
i know, if only you had sent them a little earlier in game 6. whenver either of us would say anything the whole series our team would crumble :lol

no lead is safe, that's for sure

we were quite cordial though, i think

it was a fun series

unccrombie 05-01-2014 06:12 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15296328)
it's horrible. i hope he doesn't have your phone number. every time the pens went up by more than two goal i had a pair of emoji eyes staring at me.

i know better than to give h2p my cell. he'd be booty callin' me at 2am.

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:14 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 15296353)
i know better than to give h2p my cell. he'd be booty callin' me at 2am.

you phrased that like it's a bad thing...

barbogast 05-01-2014 06:17 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Damn, Avs. What a heartbreaker. :(

Not surprised by the outcome of the Kings game

wampa3 05-01-2014 06:18 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Kings, man. Only 4th time in history a team was able to do that. Is it a sign of the current NHL that a team coming back down 3-0 to win a series has happened twice in the last five seasons? Not sure what conclusions could be drawn from that, but for it to happen twice in such a short amount of time seems to be more than coincidence. If it happens again anytime soon, that will be telling.

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:21 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15296379)
Kings, man. Only 4th time in history a team was able to do that. Is it a sign of the current NHL that a team coming back down 3-0 to win a series has happened twice in the last five seasons? Not sure what conclusions could be drawn from that, but for it to happen twice in such a short amount of time seems to be more than coincidence. If it happens again anytime soon, that will be telling.

the sharks being involved increase the odds exponentially

barbogast 05-01-2014 06:23 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15296392)
the sharks being involved increase the odds exponentially

:lol exactly

barbogast 05-01-2014 06:30 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
So, second round. Kings and Ducks is a sexy matchup, Hawks v Wild isn't nearly as exciting as Avs would've been

Hawks in 4
Kings in 7

Bruins in 6
Rangers in 6

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:31 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
i wish i could find my picks for the first round

i think i did pretty good, i know i picked the avs though

TMoore4075 05-01-2014 06:31 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15296379)
Kings, man. Only 4th time in history a team was able to do that. Is it a sign of the current NHL that a team coming back down 3-0 to win a series has happened twice in the last five seasons? Not sure what conclusions could be drawn from that, but for it to happen twice in such a short amount of time seems to be more than coincidence. If it happens again anytime soon, that will be telling.

Plus you had two teams in 2011 tie a series after down 0-3 which, I don't remember happening since I've been watching hockey (teams coming back to tie but lose game 7). So that's 4 times in 5 seasons that teams have blown 3-0 leads with 2 of them actually winning.

Even though it's the Sharks, and they choke all the time, this one surprises me the most because of how one-sided the first few games were. The Philly/Bruins series was pretty close the first few games and even the last few were close. This was a complete 180.

TMoore4075 05-01-2014 06:34 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15296412)
So, second round. Kings and Ducks is a sexy matchup, Hawks v Wild isn't nearly as exciting as Avs would've been

Hawks in 4
Kings in 7

Bruins in 6
Rangers in 6

I think Hawks/Wild goes 6. Wild are a resilient team so I think they'll find a way to get a couple.

Gotta stick with my bracket so here's mine.

Hawks in 6
Kings in 6

Bruins in 7
Pens in 7

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:35 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15296417)
Plus you had two teams in 2011 tie a series after down 0-3 which, I don't remember happening since I've been watching hockey (teams coming back to tie but lose game 7). So that's 4 times in 5 seasons that teams have blown 3-0 leads with 2 of them actually winning.

Even though it's the Sharks, and they choke all the time, this one surprises me the most because of how one-sided the first few games were. The Philly/Bruins series was pretty close the first few games and even the last few were close. This was a complete 180.

although the bolded is true, did you really expect jonathan quick to be plucking 7 out of his net consistently? it was only a matter of time until he shut it down, that's always the X-factor

TMoore4075 05-01-2014 06:36 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15296422)
although the bolded is true, did you really expect jonathan quick to be plucking 7 out of his net consistently? it was only a matter of time until he shut it down, that's always the X-factor

No but I didn't think the Sharks would go 0-4 either though.

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15296425)
No but I didn't think the Sharks would go 0-4 either though.

:lol i don't hold my breath with the sharks anymore

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:38 AM

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anyway, round 2:

Hawks in 6
Kings in 7

Pens in 7
Bruins in 6

Rebecca De Mornay 05-01-2014 06:39 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
hawks in 5
kings in 6

rangers in 6
bruins in 6

fonzz41 05-01-2014 06:40 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Well, well, well... here we are. Final thoughts on the Avs and then I will happily discuss your teams for the rest of the playoffs.

I've said it all season as the team did well: The Avs - to become a true contender - need to fall a bit. They need to experience adversity and feel that sting, and then grow from it. I was scared to death of when and how that adversity would come about, but here it is. If the Avs face this the correct way - and I believe they will, considering their solid team management - they will stay the course and continue to get better by doing what they've been doing. Not by going out and signing a bunch of vets to get "playoff experience" or something like that, but by continuing to nurture their core. And a helluva core it is. They are set at goalie, defense, and on their top-2 and bottom-2 lines. Great pieces at every position, just need to continue to nurture.

After seeing what the Avs have accomplished in the span of just one season, I refuse to get too down because of what happened last night. Yes, I know regular season stats don't matter if you can't win in the playoffs, but let's look at what this team has done when they weren't even supposed to MAKE the playoffs:

- Went from 29th overall to first in arguably the toughest division in the league
- 5 players with 60+ points, all of those with 20+ goals.
- 3 defensemen with 30+ points
- Produced Vezina, Adams, Calder, [and Byng, FWIW] candidates
- 5th ranked PP

And that's just stuff you see on paper. Doesn't even mention growth by guys like Erik Johnson as a bona fide #1 d-man, Varly as a starting goalie, and The Gabe as a captain.

Again, playoffs is where it counts, but I think I'm safe in being tremendously proud of my Avs this year.

For those who want to call the Avs "chokers" or whatever, don't forget that only a handful of players on the team have even PLAYED a playoff game, much less won a Cup (only 4 on the roster). This was a hard learning experience, but probably a necessary one for this green team who, until this point, had really only skinned their knees on the NHL playground.

Proud of these boys :thumbsup

barbogast 05-01-2014 06:42 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15296417)
Plus you had two teams in 2011 tie a series after down 0-3 which, I don't remember happening since I've been watching hockey (teams coming back to tie but lose game 7). So that's 4 times in 5 seasons that teams have blown 3-0 leads with 2 of them actually winning.

Even though it's the Sharks, and they choke all the time, this one surprises me the most because of how one-sided the first few games were. The Philly/Bruins series was pretty close the first few games and even the last few were close. This was a complete 180.

This is a very good point. I remember how close the Bruins/Flyers series was. The fact that the Sharks cruised easily through the first 3 and then just collapsed is mind boggling. That's so tough for the fans, I feel bad for them. Repetitive playoff choking is the worst

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:42 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15296438)
hawks in 5
kings in 6

rangers in 6
bruins in 6

no 7 gamers? hmm...

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:44 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15296440)
Well, well, well... here we are. Final thoughts on the Avs and then I will happily discuss your teams for the rest of the playoffs.

I've said it all season as the team did well: The Avs - to become a true contender - need to fall a bit. They need to experience adversity and feel that sting, and then grow from it. I was scared to death of when and how that adversity would come about, but here it is. If the Avs face this the correct way - and I believe they will, considering their solid team management - they will stay the course and continue to get better by doing what they've been doing. Not by going out and signing a bunch of vets to get "playoff experience" or something like that, but by continuing to nurture their core. And a helluva core it is. They are set at goalie, defense, and on their top-2 and bottom-2 lines. Great pieces at every position, just need to continue to nurture.

After seeing what the Avs have accomplished in the span of just one season, I refuse to get too down because of what happened last night. Yes, I know regular season stats don't matter if you can't win in the playoffs, but let's look at what this team has done when they weren't even supposed to MAKE the playoffs:

- Went from 29th overall to first in arguably the toughest division in the league
- 5 players with 60+ points, all of those with 20+ goals.
- 3 defensemen with 30+ points
- Produced Vezina, Adams, Calder, [and Byng, FWIW] candidates
- 5th ranked PP

And that's just stuff you see on paper. Doesn't even mention growth by guys like Erik Johnson as a bona fide #1 d-man, Varly as a starting goalie, and The Gabe as a captain.

Again, playoffs is where it counts, but I think I'm safe in being tremendously proud of my Avs this year.

For those who want to call the Avs "chokers" or whatever, don't forget that only a handful of players on the team have even PLAYED a playoff game, much less won a Cup (only 4 on the roster). This was a hard learning experience, but probably a necessary one for this green team who, until this point, had really only skinned their knees on the NHL playground.

Proud of these boys :thumbsup

they have the perfect guy behind the bench to get through the playoff loss, IMO. great things ahead for the avs bud :thumbsup

wampa3 05-01-2014 06:46 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Hawks in 5
Ducks in 7

Pens in 6
Bruins in 6

BTW, I think I'm dead wrong about the Pens in 6, I just don't want to admit that they'll probably lose to the Rags. With that said though, the way they floundered around in the first round, I think the last two games of that series were a bigger indication of what this team will be like for the rest of the playoffs than the first four.

I'll also say this, if the Pens aren't leading the series after the first three games, they're toast. The Rags should be so damn wiped playing 6 games in 9 days (two of which being elimination games) that the Pens should be able to win at least two of the first three.

wampa3 05-01-2014 06:47 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15296440)
Well, well, well... here we are. Final thoughts on the Avs and then I will happily discuss your teams for the rest of the playoffs.

I've said it all season as the team did well: The Avs - to become a true contender - need to fall a bit. They need to experience adversity and feel that sting, and then grow from it. I was scared to death of when and how that adversity would come about, but here it is. If the Avs face this the correct way - and I believe they will, considering their solid team management - they will stay the course and continue to get better by doing what they've been doing. Not by going out and signing a bunch of vets to get "playoff experience" or something like that, but by continuing to nurture their core. And a helluva core it is. They are set at goalie, defense, and on their top-2 and bottom-2 lines. Great pieces at every position, just need to continue to nurture.

After seeing what the Avs have accomplished in the span of just one season, I refuse to get too down because of what happened last night. Yes, I know regular season stats don't matter if you can't win in the playoffs, but let's look at what this team has done when they weren't even supposed to MAKE the playoffs:

- Went from 29th overall to first in arguably the toughest division in the league
- 5 players with 60+ points, all of those with 20+ goals.
- 3 defensemen with 30+ points
- Produced Vezina, Adams, Calder, [and Byng, FWIW] candidates
- 5th ranked PP

And that's just stuff you see on paper. Doesn't even mention growth by guys like Erik Johnson as a bona fide #1 d-man, Varly as a starting goalie, and The Gabe as a captain.

Again, playoffs is where it counts, but I think I'm safe in being tremendously proud of my Avs this year.

For those who want to call the Avs "chokers" or whatever, don't forget that only a handful of players on the team have even PLAYED a playoff game, much less won a Cup (only 4 on the roster). This was a hard learning experience, but probably a necessary one for this green team who, until this point, had really only skinned their knees on the NHL playground.

Proud of these boys :thumbsup

Take notes Edmonton.

fonzz41 05-01-2014 06:47 AM

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I would be remiss if I didn't mention the Wild. Holy shit.

Since the Devils of the '90s, I have never seen a team play a more sound game in terms of defensive positioning. I used the word before, but "suffocating" is the perfect description. They can shut you down and apply pressure in all three zones relentlessly.

And what a fantastic group of blue-collar, give-it-their-all players: Neidereitter, Coyle, Brodziak, Haula, Spurgeon, Brodin, Kuemper... all aren't making a ton of money, but play like they are.

And Mike Yeo. Let's face it, he outsmarted Patrick this series.

Blackhawks play a similar style to the Avs, so expect to see much of the same. The x-factor is the experience the Hawks have, and I think that will give them an advantage the Avs didn't have. Enjoy Bryzgalov in net (I know we did for those first two games!) but be prepared to be frustrated by the tenacity of the Wild.

barbogast 05-01-2014 06:47 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15296440)
Well, well, well... here we are. Final thoughts on the Avs and then I will happily discuss your teams for the rest of the playoffs.

I've said it all season as the team did well: The Avs - to become a true contender - need to fall a bit. They need to experience adversity and feel that sting, and then grow from it. I was scared to death of when and how that adversity would come about, but here it is. If the Avs face this the correct way - and I believe they will, considering their solid team management - they will stay the course and continue to get better by doing what they've been doing. Not by going out and signing a bunch of vets to get "playoff experience" or something like that, but by continuing to nurture their core. And a helluva core it is. They are set at goalie, defense, and on their top-2 and bottom-2 lines. Great pieces at every position, just need to continue to nurture.

After seeing what the Avs have accomplished in the span of just one season, I refuse to get too down because of what happened last night. Yes, I know regular season stats don't matter if you can't win in the playoffs, but let's look at what this team has done when they weren't even supposed to MAKE the playoffs:

- Went from 29th overall to first in arguably the toughest division in the league
- 5 players with 60+ points, all of those with 20+ goals.
- 3 defensemen with 30+ points
- Produced Vezina, Adams, Calder, [and Byng, FWIW] candidates
- 5th ranked PP

And that's just stuff you see on paper. Doesn't even mention growth by guys like Erik Johnson as a bona fide #1 d-man, Varly as a starting goalie, and The Gabe as a captain.

Again, playoffs is where it counts, but I think I'm safe in being tremendously proud of my Avs this year.

For those who want to call the Avs "chokers" or whatever, don't forget that only a handful of players on the team have even PLAYED a playoff game, much less won a Cup (only 4 on the roster). This was a hard learning experience, but probably a necessary one for this green team who, until this point, had really only skinned their knees on the NHL playground.

Proud of these boys :thumbsup

:thumbsup great summary

To the bolded, I'd say the Central was EASILY the best division in the league. And the Avs won it. That's impressive for a one year turnaround

hailtopitt 05-01-2014 06:48 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 15296461)
Hawks in 5
Ducks in 7

Pens in 6
Bruins in 6

BTW, I think I'm dead wrong about the Pens in 6, I just don't want to admit that they'll probably lose to the Rags. With that said though, the way they floundered around in the first round, I think the last two games of that series were a bigger indication of what this team will be like for the rest of the playoffs than the first four.

I'll also say this, if the Pens aren't leading the series after the first three games, they're toast. The Rags should be so damn wiped playing 6 games in 9 days (two of which being elimination games) that the Pens should be able to win at least two of the first three.

i can't believe i'm actually saying this, but brandon sutter's health will be paramount for the pens to advance, especially if they keep rolling out the 2-headed monster

the pens are the better team, they just need to play like it

bonzo48280 05-01-2014 06:52 AM

Hawks in 5
Ducks in 7

Habs in 7 (oh yeah)
Rangers in 6

fonzz41 05-01-2014 06:53 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15296137)
Ugh Matty, I'm sorry. I was looking forward to watching more AVs hockey, what an exciting team that is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15296143)
Matty if it makes you feel better I'm breathing a little easier knowing the Hawks are playing Minnesota.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15296324)
sorry matty :/

Thanks guys :hug I was in complete shock last night.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 15296337)
Avs have a ton of talent but need to incorporate more actual holding onto the puck. That team is so opportunistic, can score when they have just a couple of opportunities...think of the possibilities if they can consistently get 30 shots on goal every night.

They will. Give the kids time to grow. Teams don't become perfect overnight. Looking forward to the strides they make over the next couple seasons as they refine their game.
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15296305)
Todd McLellan is probably gone. It's not all his fault. This team failed under Sutter, Wilson and now him but he's had 6 years. Actually he's been the most successful coach, going to two WCF's. So would you rather be swept or out in 5 in round one, or blow a 3-0 lead. I'm gonna go out in 4 or 5.

This is sad, but potentially true. Helluva coach who will have teams lining up out the door to hire him. Wonder what he could do with the Pens?
Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15296455)
they have the perfect guy behind the bench to get through the playoff loss, IMO. great things ahead for the avs bud :thumbsup

So true. Not only does Patrick have this kind of experience (both winning and losing), but the guys believe in him and respect the hell out of him.

TMoore4075 05-01-2014 06:58 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15296448)
This is a very good point. I remember how close the Bruins/Flyers series was. The fact that the Sharks cruised easily through the first 3 and then just collapsed is mind boggling. That's so tough for the fans, I feel bad for them. Repetitive playoff choking is the worst

I do feel bad for the fans. They've been one of the best teams the last 10 years and to not have much success in the playoffs has got to be frustrating. Only 3 first round exits in 10 years is pretty good and surprising. Sure no Cups but would have expected more.

bradshaw06 05-01-2014 07:03 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Decent chance we get the same final 4 as last year, and i think we end up seeing the same final as last year as well.

lockman21 05-01-2014 07:04 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15296440)
Well, well, well... here we are. Final thoughts on the Avs and then I will happily discuss your teams for the rest of the playoffs.

I've said it all season as the team did well: The Avs - to become a true contender - need to fall a bit. They need to experience adversity and feel that sting, and then grow from it. I was scared to death of when and how that adversity would come about, but here it is. If the Avs face this the correct way - and I believe they will, considering their solid team management - they will stay the course and continue to get better by doing what they've been doing. Not by going out and signing a bunch of vets to get "playoff experience" or something like that, but by continuing to nurture their core. And a helluva core it is. They are set at goalie, defense, and on their top-2 and bottom-2 lines. Great pieces at every position, just need to continue to nurture.

After seeing what the Avs have accomplished in the span of just one season, I refuse to get too down because of what happened last night. Yes, I know regular season stats don't matter if you can't win in the playoffs, but let's look at what this team has done when they weren't even supposed to MAKE the playoffs:

- Went from 29th overall to first in arguably the toughest division in the league
- 5 players with 60+ points, all of those with 20+ goals.
- 3 defensemen with 30+ points
- Produced Vezina, Adams, Calder, [and Byng, FWIW] candidates
- 5th ranked PP

And that's just stuff you see on paper. Doesn't even mention growth by guys like Erik Johnson as a bona fide #1 d-man, Varly as a starting goalie, and The Gabe as a captain.

Again, playoffs is where it counts, but I think I'm safe in being tremendously proud of my Avs this year.

For those who want to call the Avs "chokers" or whatever, don't forget that only a handful of players on the team have even PLAYED a playoff game, much less won a Cup (only 4 on the roster). This was a hard learning experience, but probably a necessary one for this green team who, until this point, had really only skinned their knees on the NHL playground.

Proud of these boys :thumbsup

Sorry man. I was really pulling for them. Heck of a season in Colorado.


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