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Andrew Shaw needs to be smarter in a lot of places.

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Yeah, he has to grow up a lot, start acting like the 24 year old he is rather than the 2 year old he reverted to last night. I love his grit and how feisty he is but damn does he need to compose himself better.

Be interesting to see what happens for the game tomorrow, when Shaw got back on the ice Steen speared him and got called for roughing - then all hell broke loose and Toews, Kane, Shaw, Ladd, Panarin, Seabrook, Brouwer, Bouwmeester, Steen, Pietrangelo and Stastny got ten minute game misconducts. If they are all suspended that puts a major dent in both teams, will certainly send ratings down the toilet - basically you will have Keith, Anisomov, Teravainen, Hossa, Kruger, Desjardins, Panik and TVR firing away at Elliot while Backes, Berglund, Brodziak, Fabri, Lehtera, Schwartz and Tarasenko do the same to Crawford.

No idea how the league is going to handle that debacle.

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Yup, until he (hopefully) grows up he is going to be one of those guys who can be a game changer that can either help or hurt his team on any given night.

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You could make a case nobody did since he gave them the double bird with his gloves on. You kind of had to "lip read" this too.

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That was nothing.

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I have to say though, no one's rights were violated. He used a word he shouldn't have, he didn't deny anyone into the building.

I'm like 100% sure.

I can't imagine the one didn't hear him as he seemed to yell it as he was skating by.

Yeah, I didn't know about the double bird until this morning. Complete meltdown by Shaw at the worst possible time. Don't get me wrong, the Hawks were still down a goal with only 2:00 minutes left, so still needed a goal just to get into OT but they went from like a 10% chance or tying to a 90% chance of losing by 2.

Yeah but there's no way he didn't say that word.

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Maybe but typically game misconducts result in a one game suspension. Best guess is that Shaw and Steen get suspended for tomorrow's game and they let the other guys off the hook because they were just jumping into a scuffle to protect their teammates.

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True.

I imagine the league is interviewing everyone that was in the vicinity today.

Exactly.

It is tough to be 100% certain though and he should be treated as innocent until proven guilty. That said if he did yell our a homosexual slur I have no issue with the league suspending and fining him.

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None of the players involved in the end of game shenanigans will be suspended. 10's were given simply because it was the end of the game after the final whistle. If it was during the game, there would have been a lot of minor roughing penalties.

And Steen's little tap on Shaw during that final faceoff was nothing out of the ordinary. Shaw at that point was just pissed and had pretty much lost it.

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to the bolded: no he shouldn't...this isn't a court of law

and on top of that, there's already sufficient evidence for disciplinary actions

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I personally prefer public shaming as a first line of defense against a player's use of a racial or homophobic slurs but the leagues gotta do what it's gotta do.

I mean, I'd be fired or surely disciplined if I called someone that at my work but then again, I can't fight people either or check the shit out of them in meetings if they get in my way.

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Per Comcast sports, here in Chicago, Shaw apologized basically saying that upon looking at the replay it was clear that what he said was inappropriate and hurtful adding that he was sorry and would learn from his mistake.

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Shaw is a POS. Even more so that he didn't even apologize or take responsibility for his actions. Bull shit you didn't know what you said. Man up.

Edit: :lol just saw Roger's post. Of course he is now because he is being publicly shamed, rightfully so.

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Can't believe Shaw had to do a video review the next morning to figure out the words that came out of his mouth.

He should have just apologized last night.

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:thumbsup:thumbsup

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Just because he used the "F" word or other stuff?

Totally agree that he knew what he said.

As shitty as it sounds, people probably were waiting for an idea of the fallout. Ideally, he should have apologized last night and come clean but I don't know how anyone couldn't have seen this backlash coming. I feel like if I know it's coming, a sports organization should know what's coming.

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I mean, there are times where I'm riled up and I just say stuff. I don't throw out homophobic slurs or anything, but I'm also not kind. But it's always accompanied by the thought of, "oh man... I just said that. Crap, that was bad."

I've never been in that situation and thought, "wait, what did I just say? No really, I have no idea." :lol

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I guess we don't have to rely on lip readers anymore.

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He is not exactly what I would consider the brightest star in the sky.....

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I don't know his background and if he was a POS before yesterday or not but based only on yesterday this seems fine with me. League releases a statement this type of thing is unacceptable, educates players further on this stuff etc and let's move on.

I've said stuff I regretted before, I know that. I'd bet he will learn from this too.

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I can see someone not remembering every word they say in a situation like that. The guy had derailed.

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All of it. Even if he didn't use homophophic slurs he was disrespectful and should of apologized for flipping off the refs, verbally said "fuck you" to the refs..

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I agree with this. And the sad thing is, he'd played a pretty effective game up until that point. My mother in law is visiting and was watching the game with me last night. Lady knows nothing about hockey, and even she recognized that Shaw was always in front of the net, providing screens and causing general mayhem. Too bad he made us all forget that effective play due to his actions at the end of the game when it really mattered.

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On a completely different note, Yzerman sure is looking good for not rushing to trade Drouin, eh?

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Yeah, I think I mentioned before that I didn't know about flipping out the refs until today. The guy absolutely lost his shit last night, regardless of the one word.

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Yup. He's got an iffy attitude, but there was never any doubt the kid is extremely talented.

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Yzerman was never going to trade him, especially after Drouin went home. There would be no way that Yzerman would have gotten anywhere near the value of Drouin. His best approach was wait and see, and fortunately for the Lightning it paid off. We'll see what happens in the off-season though. All I know is that winning can cure a lot of things. Maybe Drouin decides to stick around, who knows.

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Smacking him in the nuts with a stick behind the play isn't exactly a tap.

I hope he learns too. He is only 24 so hopefully he matures. As for past incidents I cannot recall any. I have watched almost every game of his career and he is physical, takes dumb penalties, chirps at guys, gets into fights and such but I have never seen him come unglued like that before.

Yeah, he was just off his rocker.

Refs have all seen and heard far worse than what Shaw did, for the cursing at them and flipping them the finger he probably would have gotten a double minor. It is the homosexual slur he made that is the big problem. No idea why he would do that, I know he was mad at himself for taking a stupid penalty but compounding it by becoming a completely unhinged lunatic made a 2 minute minor into a black mark on his career.

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Agreed, he was playing a damn effective game all the way up until his meltdown.

Good thing he didn't.

Agreed.

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I was definitely thinking Yzerman would be smart enough to wait until at least the draft. But you never know when that "perfect" offer will come along. I'm sure Yzerman got at least a few at and leading up to the deadline, but good for him for standing pat and taking the patient approach. Drouin's play, along with the rest of the team's, has really helped mitigate the loss of Stamkos... for now.

Big offseason for Yzerman. Does the Lightning's performance in the playoffs without Stamkos convince him to let him go to UFA, with the Lightning holding on to what continues to be a very well-rounded group of youngsters? If things work out with Drouin, that could very well be the case.