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7/3/03 got brought up again in the Next LT thread, so I've been listening to the amazing Typical from that show. I don't think we appreciate enough just how much chemistry Roi and Butch had. Listening to this Typical, or LT26 BOWA, or any number of Seek Ups and Rapunzels from the late '90s-early '00s, it's incredible just how well those two played off each other.

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Man I last saw them in 2015 and thought it was lame. Realized sets were kinda stale, I wasn’t enjoying it any more, so I stopped going. Haven’t seen them since

I should’ve kept going, but messaging the band on social media telling them what they’re doing wrong. I mean, I KNOW what they’re capable of. They’re clearly playing unenjoyable shows on purpose. I could’ve spent 7 years holding on to this hypothetical hope, knowing that some day they’ll come around. I mean I’m spending $80/ticket, the least they could do is play shows I enjoy more.

But I swear, ONE more tour like this and I’m done!

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Stop ruining it for the rest of us

https://www.reddit.com/r/DMB/comment...re_who_havent/

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Jesus Christ :lol

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Nobody is ruining anything lol Jeff doesn’t deserve the brunt of the criticism, but the frustration was warranted. They’re not retiring because someone blasted Jeff on Instagram


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I think 2 things are true at the same time

1. Even though it was only a few people its wild to complain about setlists to the sax player who doesn't have the rank to tell Dave what to play. Roarshawn may be able to have ownership of a melody or jam session as Dave gave him that job, but Dave would laugh Jeff out the room if Jeff started telling him to play certain songs and stop being lazy.

2. The negative comments were the minority and any public figure who posts things even positive is going to in many cases face backlash and negative comments. Bands will go on a 60 city tour and some idiot from Santa Fe, New Mexico or Lincon, Nebraska is pissed the band isn't stopping in their city and makes a post about it. Even further with Jeff is he also in the last year has tried to have political and social points and then got frustrated with some of the responses where people disagreed. This is the way the internet has been for at least the last decade and if you want to post things and have the visibility Jeff 95% of the time it is best to ignore the comments outright or ignore the negative comments.

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If Jeff doesn't now how social media works these days then that is on him. You only hear from the squeaky wheels. I don't know how Instagram works but can't he just turn off comments?

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People gotta stop acting like DMB is some public service that they pay taxes towards. It’s a fucking band, you should be enjoying it! You should be “ballwashing” :lol. Don’t take it out on them because you don’t like what they’re doing. Just seems super weird to me.

Its almost as if people follow DMB like a sports team. Some weird tribalism sets in where you agonize with their losses because of this emotional connection you have with them. I just view music wayyy different from sports, like…if the band isn’t living up to my expectations, I go see other bands. They’re not engaged in a competition. Your band always “wins” when you see them. I read some of these comments like “I’ve had season tickets since 2004 and these sets are stale!” Sell your season tickets! It’s okay!

I know this dynamic is present with all live bands, it just seems especially bad with DMB.

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There has certainly been more negativity than usual so far this tour

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Still much more positive comments on Jeff and other social media posts than negative. And the whole tour this year is odd. 1 mid atlantic show no new england shows and they don't even hit Chicago/Ohio/New York yet.

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Two pretty unfortunate realities if you ask me:

1. If a respected bandmate comes to you and shares what they've been hearing from fans and proposes switching some things up to make the fans happy is laughed out of the room then fuck that.

2. Exactly Jeff has been through this and should understand how this works at this point. It also really begs to me whether he does have any say in it. If he truly were treated like an employee he would say:
"not my call"
"I'm just the sax player"
"take it up with Dave"
He seems to be taking ownership and getting defensive over the reasons sets have sucked. Bad look to be acknowledge you are seeing what fans gripes are with the sets, telling them to fuck off and continuing to do it night after night.

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I wish the merch store would let you pick the free CD you get for having a $50+ order or whatever. I'd much rather have LT41 than LT24. clearly this is just their way of getting rid of stuff thats been sitting in the warehouse for a while but it'd be nice to choose

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"Unfortunate reality" :lol

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Yes. That is it. It's a free CD. Enjoy.

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There may be more when comparing overall positive vs negative but the percentages aren't the norm

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Going to leave this here...

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Monizzle's patented "I read/heard it from a few people and it confirms my viewpoint so it must be the overwhelming belief of the fanbase" strategy. Let's see how it plays out this time!

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So which is better?

1. Having a viewpoint based on the message board and not being there

2. Trying to talk to people at the shows and have them share what they observed from the crowd as a whole at the shows in person then take that into consideration

I have never said my opinion is the end all be all. All I am trying to do is state my opinion, admit when I am wrong, listen to people actually at the shows (poster in this thread who said on the contrary he hated the Seattle set) and then see where the tour goes from here.

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Come on. He plays what he wants, when he wants. He throws a bone to the great venues every once in a while. That's really all there is to it. You're over analyzing.

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And also asking people to donate money to you.

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I'll dance at a DMB show during Louisiana Bayou because I mean what else am I going to do, stand there pointing at the band with an angry Karen face? If I'm at D&T being completely silent during Seek Up does that mean I'm bored and uninterested?


There are some examples like SPAC N2 '21 where the crowd is unreal but I'd consider that to be the exception

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The great venues definitely have a lot of the songs in rotation Dave wants that year sure. But the bones that Dave thew to Mohegan, MSG, and Columbus to separate them from cookie cutter Grand Rapids last year special. They may have only been 2-4 songs/moments but those are what make it worth the trip to MSG or Mohegan or Columbus over other fall locations AFTW to present.

But the fact that Dave does make these conscious decisions shows that he is aware of where fans have the highest demand for the deep cuts and unique jams.

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You're getting lazy and repetitive with the comebacks definitely need to mix it up more. :lol

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Why don’t you address why you are asking DMB fans to give you money?

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I mean given how far my name is down your throat I would have thought you could've explained that like many YouTube Streamers I show my cash app and any potential donation goes toward improving the stream quality i.e. upgrading equipment like cameras I use on stream and at shows to capture moments of shows. I don't make it a requirement and none of my content is behind a paywall. All of the videos I record at shows I freely give to other content creators like Copperpot (and a John Mayer Multicam guy) for free so that content can be then shared for fans across the internet.

Just funny how you took the time to watch the stream to find that out just so you could try to make a joke. And then on top of that intentionally exclude the purpose of why I promoted that.

Mind you the only reason I even started flashing the cash app is because people who watched my streams suggested it as a way to support my stream. And those people felt compelled to support the actual stream.

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It is 1000x more likely that kmbean takes this feedback and changes his behavior and he is just some guy shitposting on an online forum rather than Dave changing his behavior writing sets and he is playing for thousands of people that paid hundreds of dollars to see them and doesn't want to hear the criticism.

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How about neither? I can check the sets and don't have to come here to form my own opinion the band is doing nothing that is different than the summer tour. Also talking to people who either haven't gotten a show in a while or just have low standards to see the same shit over and over again also won't influence my opinion just because they thought what they saw was good.

Not saying Dave should base the whole setlist based on fans who see multiple shows a year but this entire tour is a big fucking kick in the nuts to any of those fans that went to a summer tour show and also want to catch the fall tour and see something different.

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When you and me have difference of opinions Kmbean hops in and tries to take cheap shots doubtful that changes. He doesn't provide anything productive about why he disagrees nor is he even participating in this conversation in a productive manner.

At least you are responding with reasons you disagree with me and actually participating in the topics at hand in this thread.

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If you've seen the DMB Couch Tour Videos during this Fall Tour thus far (which i'm sure you all have), you can see that the band is 100% ON FIRE performance/enjoyment wise.

I saw them at Hollywood Bowl N2 and it was one of my all time favorite DMB shows. Between the high-level performances, unique set, orchestra, and guest violin, it was an unreal experience and a breath of fresh air after seeing them over the past 15 years or so (which were hit & miss band performance/enthusiasm wise).

The performances on the Fall Tour so far have been even BETTER and the band (especially Dave) is enjoying each other sonically at a very high level. I would much rather hear/see the band play what they want at a VERY HIGH level as opposed to seeing them play rarities half-ass/practiced with a lot of mistakes. The band seems happier than they've ever been and I think we should enjoy this wave. They sound amazing. The jams on #41, Seek Up, Crush, Two Step right now prove that. Madman's Eyes is an absolute BEAST. Jeff is 100% right....unnecessary rant over!