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setting up for an epic N2 but this set is atrocious. but they're having so much fun up there!
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Ocean and the Butterfly is up there with Bismarck, which is real high
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Set was fine but I’m glad I stayed home.
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Shouldn't there be some energy in hallowed halls like the United Center and MSG to really bring your best? Athletes, bands, comics-- it seems like there is a genuine respect for the privilege of playing MSG. These sets are airballs, mail ins, bombs. Casual fans who shelled out hundreds just to get a set of mostly unrecognizable, low quality songs by a band in denial, are unlikely to do repeat business. This is the sunset of DMB and it ain't pretty!
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It screams classic dmb to me. |
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I don’t think we will get a N2 like MSG N2 (Drive In opener, James Brown etc), but a lot of classics still should be played and I predict a guest, a la Warren Haynes or someone of that stature. Could we still get You and Me and Sam Cop (which I like) and some other overplayed times? Jimi? Sure.
But Nancies—>Warehouse, Seek Up, Two Step, Rapunzel, maybe even Best and Jane are all options (all played this tour). PFWYG was also slated for an encore one of the winter shows in the encore, so that is still on Dave’s mind too. |
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Like MSG in 2002 I meant
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Still not a fan of lithograph and Bayou still just ok.
Also, I can't believe 12/21/02 is gonna be 20 years old next month. Still my best dmb concert moment. Was reminiscing a lot last night of my many shows at msg over the years including those 4 great ones in 2002. |
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Did they play the third verse of grey street last night?
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Thought so; really, really enjoyed that.
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Oh man, I adore Ocean and the Butterfly. That horn line run in the middle is like Roi’s spirit blowing out to let us know he’s still here. Beautiful song. It’s funny to me that songs like this, Spaceman, and Black and Bluebird get dumped on here yet they sound more like the DMB everyone misses and wants back.
When anyone calls a song like OATB a snoozer my response is, Proudest Monkey, Pay For What You Get, #34, Lover Lay Down, I’ll Back You Up. Songs people love that are lyrically and musically on par with these newer tunes that are somehow considered snoozers. |
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Put pretty perfectly, the Jeff intro is slick (the more Jeff the better imo) but other than that it just feels generic. |
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So in that case I guess I point my finger to Pay For What You Get. I should say that I offer my opinion and perspective in good fun. I enjoy comparing and contrasting music and art. So to each their own of course, and everyone has their own preferences, but it’s almost the same exact rhythm structure to PFWYG. Nothing generic about that. PFWYG is no more interesting in structure and lyrical content than OATB. OATB even has a very Dave Matthews signature spider crawl riff to break the song up. I love that Carter is on brushes. While Dave and Tim are super relaxed in their style, Carter is sliding in to couple it with beautiful brush accents. This song exemplifies what DMB always did so wonderfully. They truly created themes through the dynamics in which they approached their music. In this tune they’re playing off each other dynamically and letting the music breathe and flow. The horn run may be the most Roi sounding thing this band has done since, well, Roi. The DMB of old was amazing at matching the music to that of Dave’s playful and unique lyrics and guitar style. The imagery they create in this song is spot on to that of DMB circa 98-04.
I get some of the complaints people have with this band, but it’s been getting to be a bit much. So when the band delivers music that hits those classic DMB elements it surprises me to see so many people dismiss them as snoozefests or uninteresting. |
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I’d also add that, for me, there’s just something about a mellow dynamic tune that makes you slow down for a few minutes and let go.
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I agree, and to add to that the lyrics and melody have that more natural, curious feel, and are open to interpretation.
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Ok, stupid question time. Lol. I wanted to know peoples thoughts on the following question. We hear a lot about albums being too compressed. What is the primary advantage of having a higher dynamic range. I understand it sounds a lot better when you’re a cranking it on a good system but is there any advantage of you’re listening at lower levels? Curious to hear peoples thoughts. I’ve had the mindset that more compression at lower volumes is an advantage so you can hear everything better. But I’m pretty naive with this stuff, so I’d love to be informed
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Glad some of you love OATB, but I don’t agree with the point that “well x is just like y, so how can you not like it?”
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Good question. If you check on previous post of dobyblue there is a lot about that. Check out for example: https://www.antsmarching.org/forum/s...&postcount=434 Also this: https://www.mixonline.com/news/loudness-war-over-420885 I’ll add just one concept. When compression is minimal (so called glue compression), you have a warmed mix, where everything is sticked or “glued” together a bit more. Overall sensation is pleasing to your ears. After a certain level, you start to lose information. The compressor acts on the so called transients, which are turned down, and you start to affect the overall mix. You get something loud, because the lows are turned up, but you started losing dynamics. They say that a common sensation is that the mix makes you want to turn the volume down, after a bit. |
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OATB sounds like something from '02-'03..almost like a song scrapped from Some Devil. Am I alone in thinking that? Bismarck has a similar sound
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Updating my stats after the two MSG shows. Only 17 so far. And I have realized that I saw 13 times DDTW (that means 3 times every 4 shows). That’s a curse.
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Make fall tour shows great again. They need to find away to make them special and different than everything they’ve done all summer.
IMO summer should be a normal show and fall tour they should bring back 2 sets. Can you imagine how awesome MSG would be with 4 sets total and a ton of rare stuff played in the acoustic sets? |
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I haven't seen Cry Freedom in 25 years
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I think the acoustic sets would benefit from the indoor arenas they play in the fall
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i’ve heard it live once but i don’t really know the tune. can someone send me a good version OATB so i can get caught up?
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Got Proudest Monkey for the FIRST time @SPAC this summer. The list is too long for songs that we should hear more often or that we want to hear. The standard for set lists that were in that doc from 2009 or so has not really been effect for at least a decade at this point. The songs that are regularly played at venues is far longer than it should be. |
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If you’ve ever wondered if the opinions on the boards were the minority, go read the comments on Facebook below DMB’s night 2 post. How does the band read those (obviously I don’t actually think Dave does) and not keep doing exactly what they’re doing. I don’t agree with it, I just say the fact remains.
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read the comments and posts people make about the other shows during the all tour being "the best ever" and you'll have your answer |
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I did't know what Toy Soldiers was till today. I played the Warehouse of DMB Live 25 when listening on shuffle and I said loud: "What the Hell!".
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It is awesome watching Leroi's reaction to Jeff's solo on that 32 minute #41 from back in 02.
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I really hope Rashawn joins a mariachi band this off-season and never returns to DMB.
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Hahahaha.
The Rashawn hate around here never ceases to crack me up. He is such an important member of this iteration of the band, LeRoi’s protege, the musical director. Dude isn’t going anywhere. Embrace him. |
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I’ll never embrace Mr. Grey Squeak.
Remember when this band was actually good prior to this dip’s arrival? I do. |
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I know it gets mentioned a lot on here about RR being the musical director of DMB, but I've always thought that Carter was most likely the actual musical director in the band.
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But I think Roi was still more of the creative director at that time behind the scenes, with the writing, and really leading the jams with Boyd in terms of throwing up softballs for Carter and Fonz to build energy off of. Carter isn't keeping Dave or the rest of the band on track in terms of how songs go when they rehearse, other band members parts, changing jams (the few times they do). RR has taken over that, and certainly directs the band on stage now too. You can watch him and Stefan, Dave checking him for cues, Buddy relying on him for changes. RR knows EVERYONE's parts and all the songs inside and out. I'm sure the band is still a democracy with Dave in charge. But my guess is when Dave wants to bring an old song back, or change a jam, cut a jam, he relies on RR to get the others on the same page. |
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The problem with the horn solos is that they’re often going for the biggest crowd reaction which is usually from the ridiculously high register notes. It was very apparent on Jimi and Ants at the Chicago show. The guest horns and Rashawn were going straight to 10 on their first and second bars when there were 4 bars for each player. Other than that, I have zero issues with Rashawn as a player, and generally am a fan of the trumpet.
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Bismarck is just a great classic sounding DMB song. It's so obvious that is exactly why it's been scrapped. I think Dave is done with the DMB of old and only plays classics to appease the fans. |
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Has there ever been a SPAC blanket (or any venue specific blankets) similar to this?
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Why do they not have Bela guest more often? He and the Flecktones used to be all over the place with the band and now they’ve been missing for quite a long time.
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I was talking about the same exact thing at late Friday night, after MSG N1, at the bar of the hotel, to a woman, DMBfamily-stylish, 150+ shows seen. The only comment she made about my wish of seeing Béla with DMB again was: “he’s such a nerd”. And everybody around laughed. |
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Bela most likely doesn’t want to bother trying to find space between Rashawn squealing, squeaking and blaring away all night.
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Who are Dave's contemporaries? Are there any musicians right now on the same level as Dave Matthews that are also in the same age and career positioning.
Trey is an obvious choice, and Dave has a good relationship with him from the outside looking yet. What other well-known or unknown musicians with you rank as Dave's contemporaries. |
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Broken Things is one of my all time favorite DMB songs.
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Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and your families!!!🦃💯👍
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new source of Giants Stadium 1998 posted to Dreaming Tree
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The Providence Civic Center opened 50 years ago this month. Here's the setlist from the last time that DMB played that arena (changed names to Dunkin Donuts Center and Amica Mutual Arena):
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New source for 7/28/1992 just posted to Dreaming Tree includes the unheard soundcheck where they are writing Drive In Drive Out on the fly.
Click the "Show Spoiler" Button to reveal hidden text.
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“Boyd not present for soundcheck” :lol
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Would you buy a poster that you didn't really like from a show you went to just because it was the "best" (your favorite) show on that given tour?
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I forgot how much I love LiC. The art work, even despite all the dubs, and editing, love it. Brings me back going to Walmart, opening it, and rocking out The Last Stop.
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Tim shredding on Crash Into Me on LiC is beautiful. Some reason it's beautiful and tasteful here. He does have his moments.
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98 really rocks. Tim's playing is so much better. Maceo Parker on WWYS. Rutman and Victor on the Maker, Roi's wah effect on Jimi, Boyd's plucking solo in Watchtower. Such a great show. |
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The biggest part is liking the poster, but just after that is supporting the poster artists. But charging the same price for a methane as a Slater, Tsang, Eads, etc. is wacky. |
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I used to try to get a poster for every show I’ve been to but I lost all motivation for that about 15 shows ago. These days I have to really be in love with how it looks; it’s been a while since I felt that way strong enough to cut off tailgating/pre-show activities to get in line for doors etc.
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Would love to have this show on vinyl. First time Christmas Song played.
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happy bday to this incredible moment
https://twitter.com/copperpot5/statu...2pDU7VAsijKvBQ wish more stuff like this would happen today |
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its really disappointing that a group with so much talent and creativity doesn't try stuff like this more. it would be awesome for every night to have the E1 slot be something unique, like dave and jeff lover lay down, dave and stefan crush, dave and buddy grace. |
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