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Can't wait for.....15 days.

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Completely agree on your first part. The fact that they are essentially using cell phone sized screens for review is absurd to me.

As for the second, watch the video below, when it gets to slow motion you can clearly see he was cross-checked from behind and had no way to avoid contact with Rinne.

https://www.nhl.com/news/sharks-no-g...?tid=280202674

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I feel for the refs in that situation, as it was basically an impossible call to make. On one hand, the goalie has to have the ability to make a save, unimpeded by opposing players. On the other hand, Pavs was clearly pushed by Gaustad into Rinne. If they rule in favor of SJ, Nashville gets to be pissed, and probably rightfully so. But with it going in Nashville's favor, SJ gets to be pissed, also rightfully so. Difficult call to make.

I actually think it would've been LESS difficult to call had Pavelski not smacked the puck in while on top of Rinne and just let it roll in on its own (which it was going to do). It just looks worse when a guy is laying on top of a goalie and then knocks in a goal, y'know? If he hadn't knocked it in, SJ could make the case that Gaustad pushed Pavs into Rinne and the puck just rolled in; there was no "shot" to save per se.

I've raved about this series before, and last night only reinforced my love. For a fan of the sport of hockey, you can't help but love watching these two teams go at it. Well coached, disciplined, sharp. Just really cool to watch. Easily my favorite series right now.

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yea there was definitely contact and a bit of a shove, but not only was Pavelski playing the puck with his hand (presumably making him go off-balance), but also, the call on the ice was no goal

i think it's one of those situations where if it was called a goal on the ice, it would've stood as a good goal

just an unfortunate (for the Sharks), fast moving, playoff hockey play...honestly, i wouldn't have been surprised either way on that call

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Can't siphon off fans from 0 in Arizona. :D I don't think it hurts the CA teams at all. I don't like the idea of Vegas for the NHL at all but I understand what they are doing and why they are doing it now. A team is gonna happen (NFL, NBA, NHL) so you want to be the first guys there. I'm not sure it works but the group that is working on it seems to know their shit. That wasn't the case in places Phoenix or Atlanta.

The argument against Quebec, which btw probably isn't getting a team right now, doesn't work anymore. Winnipeg didn't work either but that was 20 years ago with a different CBA, no cap, a crappy arena and not good TV deal. Things can change. Heck, Denver and Minnesota couldn't support teams before and they both got teams back years later.

Now if I was the NHL, which they won't do, is contract two teams. Move the Coyotes to Seattle, move the Panthers to Quebec and ax Columbus and Carolina. Just to get to 28 teams and get rid of your weakest markets.

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to the bolded: it would've been no goal had he just let it roll in because the last contact made was Pavelski smacking it with his glove, right?

and yea, this series has been fun...i only made it through the 2nd OT last night...wish i would've pushed through til the end

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i COMPLETELY agree with contraction

however, is Columbus a weak market? i thought they had pretty good turnout recently

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All good points here. It was a close call either way. The announcers were confused as to what was being reviewed. :lol First, they thought it was the interference. Then they thought it was whether Pavelski pushed the puck in the net with his hands (he clearly got his stick on the puck, but was it before it crossed the line?) Then back to the interference. I agree that it came down to the call on the ice being no-goal, and the evidence was not strong enough to overturn it. It's not the playoffs without a good officiating controversy, right?! :lol

It was a great game last night. I'm a little biased as to what my favorite series is right now (:lol), but the Sharks and Preds are playing great, exciting hockey. Wish I could have stayed up til the end of the game. I don't really have a horse in the race, but I do like this Preds team. And I think I heard the Preds' organist play the music from Mike Tyson's Punch Out during a break in the action, so points for that!

As for expansion, why? The NHL always will kind of be a regional sport, with pockets of passionate support throughout the country. And isn't there a big argument that talent is already too diluted with 30 teams? Won't 32 make that issue even worse? Plus the KHL is competing for a lot of the eastern European talent.

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Anyone weaker? I had to get to 28 so I moved FLA to Quebec to get a team back there and then still had to get rid of 2 more teams and with 14 teams already in the West I just moved the yotes to Seattle.

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Agreed. That said I think it was pure reflex on Pavelski's part. He was on the deck and could not see much so he had no idea if a D man was lurking to snatch it out of their so he just tapped it in.

Not sure that playing with his hand was a big factor, sometimes you have to do that - nothing against the rules there since he did not make a hand pass.

Completely agree that if it was ruled a good goal on the ice we would not be having this conversation.

Point taken! :lol

That said, why not just move them to Vegas and spare the rest of the league and the fans?

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Well that's the thing there and I wish they would move that team. However $500mil for an expansion team is the answer there.

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That argument could be made, but I don't think it holds a ton of water. There was no clear attempt by Pavelski to hit the puck in with his hand; it's pretty obvious he gloved the puck straight down on the ice, it continued forward momentum, went of Rinne's pad (if I remember correctly), then went rolling in. SJ could have made the argument that Rinne's pad directed it in more than Pavelski's hand.

Yeah, you've still got a horse in the race so I can't blame you there! :) The Pens series is certainly fun. A lot of action. But this Preds/Sharks series is just so... I don't know... calculated? Just two really well-oiled, high functioning, highly disciplined teams with great systems going head to head. They both roll four lines, both rely on a team game to be successful, and it's really cool to watch.

One thing I was impressed with as the OTs wore on was the conditioning of the Preds. They clearly had better legs in that 3rd OT, which is amazing when you consider that they basically played the equivalent of two whole games last night.

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exactly...all of this :thumbsup

i'd say at this point, New Jersey is a worse hockey market than Columbus

and honestly, maybe even the NY Islanders...i know they are an historically great franchise and blah blah blah New York is the best but i think the move to Brooklyn really hurt them

they only operated at 86.2% capacity this year (4th worst in NHL) and they are a playoff team!!

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interesting

lol what a crazy play

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Yep, and I don't fault him for it. I would've done the same. You ALWAYS go for the puck until that goal light comes on.

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Only the Islanders, Coyotes and Hurricanes had lower attendance then the Blue Jackets and it was a pretty slim margin. http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

To the first, I was just as confused as the announcers so I cannot fault them. I think when it comes to OT ALL reviews should be done on 40 foot plasma's in Toronto because the refs often miss things that are easily seen on a larger screen than they use.

To the second, completely agree. No need to expand further and dilute the talent pool.

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Yeah but the Jackets suck. lol

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#JacketsIn5??? no no, more like Jackets in Seattle

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I get that, I'm just saying that if you watch the Blues frequently, it's very apparent that they lose mental focus when their backs aren't against the wall. Giving up a 2 game lead in the Chicago series. Giving up a 2 goal lead in Game 6 against Chicago, and again in game 7 before ultimately winning. Giving up a two goal lead before ultimately winning in Game 2 against the Stars. I'm not discounting the Stars at all or trying to say it should be a given that we win if we play up to our potential, they obviously won the division, I'm just saying the Blues are immensely talented but do seem to lack a killer instinct when momentum is on their side.

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There it is - money. Exactly why the NHL is pulling this crap on us.

To the first agree on it being directed in by Rinne's pad. Sure Pavelski slotted it home but that puck was going in regardless.

Yup, any player is taught that from the time they play their first game in pee-wee, if you can knock a puck home do it - regardless of what is going on around you.

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Anyone hear from our Jackets fan? Is he alive? Haven't heard him since he tried to tell me the Jackets had better Corsi numbers than the Wings....while the Wings were in a playoff spot and the Jackets were not. :D

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they blocked Ants at his office lol but we still chat every now and then

i'll make sure to wear one of my Penguins sweaters to nationwide when i visit him for the DMB show :lol

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Just don't be wearing that shit in two weeks.

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:lol I make it a point not to wear any black & gold to Blossom. I don't want to deal with any static. Despite that, two years ago I somehow got into an argument with some drunk browns fan at the lizard that Manziel was finally going to put the Browns over the top and beat the Steelers.

....sigh

:BANG

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Yeah, they did seem to do almost anything they could to blow the Chicago series. With the exception of Lehtonen I thought St. Louis played a better game then Dallas. Couple of different bounces here and there and Dallas is facing elimination tomorrow.

Now my 'who to cheer for' mindset is shattered. I think the Caps are cooked and they would have been my first choice of teams I wanted to get a cup of the remaining teams. Last night was a big momentum swing for Dallas, I know the Blues can still pull it out but it will be a rough road now. Ditto with the Sharks, I hope they win but after last night it is going to be tough. I hope the Lightening beat the Islanders but in truth I will likely end up just cheering for whomever faces Dallas or Pittsburgh.

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:lol i'll be sure to drape myself in black and gold now

:lol good call :thumbsup

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The Browns....the only thing that makes me feel better about being a Lions fan.

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:lol Seriously, this is how the conversation went whilst sitting at the bar.

Drunk Guy: hey man, how are you.
Me (wearing non descript non Burgh stuff): Doing alright. Great day outside
Drunk Guy: You here for the show?
Me: (thinking this guy is a DMB fan and we can chat DMB) Yeah it's show x for me
Drunk Guy: You come far?
Me: (knowing I probably shouldn't) Yeah. Drove up from Pittsburgh this afternoon
Drunk Guy: PITTSBURGH?!?!?! WTF?!?!?! Man I hate the Steelers
My wife: Let's go as soon as we finish these beers.



It's not just there either it's all over NE OH. That same year we were at Geneva-on-the-lake for the week right around world cup time. I wanted to watch Brazil play Germany. So we stroll over to the resort bar near there as it was the nicest place within walking distance. I stupidly wore my Steelers hat. We roll into the hotel bar around 3 PM. Only people in there:

Bartender: What can I get you
Me: I'll have a (whatever I ordered) and my wife will have (whatever she wanted)
Bartender: No problem even tho you guys are Steelers fans.

WTF!!!!

We should have left right then.

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Being a Raiders fan has not been overly fun for the past 15 years.

Try wearing a Yankees hat or shirt - well, anywhere outside the NYC area. When I was about 30 some 16 year old little shit squirted ketchup on my Mantle Jersey while I was eating lunch in Boston before a Yanks/Sox game at Fenway. I know he was trying to impress the girl he was with, I also knew it would have been wrong to drop the little shit despite how pissed I was and lastly I knew that if I got into a tussle we'd have gotten thrown out of the restaurant (Cheesecake factory if memory serves) simply due to my jersey even though the other 3 people with me were wearing Sox shit.

The only other thing that comes close to that was when I was about 8 years old, I went to a Raiders game in Phillie (proudly sporting my Marcus Allen jersey) and when the Raiders took the lead people were swearing at me, throwing hot dogs and other food at me and chucking their beer all over me.

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Yikes!! I could take this opportunity to say something about the nature of philly fans throwing food at an 8 year old kid.... but I won't

;)