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Why wouldn't we defend it? It was the right call The timing magnifies the rule but it's still a rule |
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I am in favor of a rule change. That's the whole point of my posts on this subject. |
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there's just no way to take away the whistle's power. there can be no time when a whistle is not a whistle. from first putting on skates, cleats, or sneakers, the whistle is the signal of a play stopping. as much as last night's example sucked, it is the exception that proves the rule that bad facts make for bad caselaw. the power of the whistle can't be eroded because 1 quick whistle cost a team like it did last night.
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There's no way to change the rule though, there just isn't. |
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I get that bad calls are a part of sports, but I feel like this is too big of a situation to ignore. And yeah, the fact that it happened on the same night that team that benefitted from it won the Cup does put it in that type of spotlight. I'm not saying players should stop playing until the whistle or ignore whistles or anything like that. But as Dramageek pointed out, and I haven't verified it plus I'm paraphrasing him, there's apparently some obscure rule that allows from a reversal in this type of situation already. I just don't see how something like this is so drastically different from goalie interference. And again, I'm ONLY proposing that this rule is used when the result CLEARLY would've been a goal had the whistle not gone. I know that is subjective. But I also know that everyone reading this knows exactly what I mean. So I think there can be a middle ground that turns into a written rule. It's just not that far fetched, in my opinion. |
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it could have been reviewed if, rather than the puck trickling straight to sissons for him to put it away, it had just trickled straight into the net without an intervening actor the word "play" in the context of that rule means no further introduction of force whatsoever; sissons' putting away the rebound is not a continuation of one play but an entirely new play on the puck that would not be helped by review |
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You said, "Immediately" but how long is that? Does the puck have to be moving in the direction of the goal? What if it is but misses and goes into the trapezoid? I don't want to nitpick and discuss every possible hypothetical because those are almost infinite. Introducing an addition degree of subjectivity in a league where what is and is not goalie interference or any other penalty changes game by game is a bad thing, IMO. As YKN said, I think the power of the whistle is almost sacred and not just in hockey but in any sport. I'm of the opinion that if it blows play has to stop. What happened last night was a huge dose of bad luck for the Preds, but the whistle blew. It all comes back to that. The whistle blew. Now, if you want to talk about altering the rules to allow for more refs I'm all for talking about that. For example, does ref protocol tell him to skate to the corner? Add an additional ref to the other corner. If the first ref loses sight he could rely on the other. Neither one blows it dead play on. |
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I mean of course it's subjective but it's no more subjective than goalie interference. I think it could and should be one of those things that professional NHL-caliber referees are given some latitude to meet, review and discuss, and if they logically and conclusively decide the play should be reversed, they should be be allowed to do it.
I mean what do they get paid to do after all? I don't think it's unreasonable to grant a referee that type of latitude. |
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Barbs, in your proposed rule change who would initiate a review, a coach, Toronto or the refs on the ice?
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the act of a whistle having blown is not subjective; there can be no result other than the whistle losing its power if there are instances where a whistle blowing does not stop play
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Like, in my ideal sports world, the refs would just gather and be like, woah, we fucked that one up, let's make it right. But I also am not naive and know that it can't be this simple. Quote:
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nah, let's don't do that. I'm very happy with the whistle remaining in its current position of power.
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And apparently, since it was clarified above, there already is a situation where there's a written rule that states that a whistle can be overturned had the puck not been redirected in (i.e. it just trickles in naturally). So it's already there. |
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yes...but it is, though. introducing doubt as to when to stop playing (play until the whistle, and then a little after...and maybe a little more after) creates an untenable game from a rules perspective
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Players play to the whistle now. And yet the puck still went in last night.
Let's let the refs use their common sense and allow them to be the on ice judges we pay them to be instead of black and whiting something that results in unfairness. |
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I'm a reasonable fan (I'd like to think so at least) and think what you are advocating for is making the whistle powerless in that situation. You're also assuming that in these situations the goalies and the skaters would all keep competing with the same style and intensity after a whistle. |
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As far the last paragraph, I've said the whole time that yes, in this one particular instance, I think the referees should be given latitude to review and decide instead of black and whiting the blowing of the whistle. So yeah, in that one instance, the whistle is essentially powerless. |
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Isn't that what you guys are so against? |
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I'm against things that players do after the whistle counting.
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Well, I guess in this instance, I'm not. I still don't understand how we aren't all in favor of getting the call right. It's not like it can't happen.
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I'm still not understanding what straw man is arguing that they don't want the calls to be made correctly. that straw man is an idiot!
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If you want to play semantics, that's fine.
I know the refs called it correctly per the rulebook. The call was unfair. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. I'm proposing we change that unfairness. |
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With that said and where I'm drawing the line here is that penalties and replays are retrospective (like reviewing an offside). They are not for allowing for things that might happen in the future after a whistle blew. Even in that split second from the whistle blowing to the puck going in, no one will ever know if Murray pulled up even a little bit because he heard the whistle. In a game like hockey where a split second or an inch can mean the difference between a goal or not that's introducing more subjectivity in order to fix another degree of subjectivity. In a sport where the refs have never been worse we shouldn't be giving them more latitude and judgement to decide what would have happened if play had kept going. Quote:
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of course the call was unfair. awarding a goal for something that happened after the whistle blew would also be unfair.
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And I look at the highlight and it's just too clear to me that the puck was going in if the whistle doesn't go. I think it really will have to be agree to disagree. I understand you're point. I really do. But I think in the interest of fairness the call has to be reversed. Quote:
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I understand your point too. We should get things right, but not at the expense of considering things after a whistle. There is no good way to implement something like that. |
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As long as we all agree that Letang is useless and not needed in Pittsburgh for them to win a Cup. Glad this postseason dispelled that rumor.
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:lol :lol :lol
They should expose him to Vegas. Clears up cap space. Amirite? |
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This is clearly a shitty situation that exposes flaws in the rule book and how it's handled. But I'm very wary about allowing play to continue after a whistle. I interpret the review rule as it stands now to be the puck's on the way in the net and would make it in without further intervention, whistle or no whistle. I disagree that's the case here. Sissons clearly hit it in after the whistle, and it wasn't going in without his help. If that call happens to the Pens, I'd say that sucks, but the ref blew the whistle. Screw him for doing so, but them's the breaks. |
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Just saw about Maf. He'll be awesome in Vegas. Total class act.
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Sorry our dynastic team is so talented |
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Always amazing seeing what injuries guys have.
Hornqvist broken fingers, cole a broken hand, hagalin broken ankle, bonino a broken tibula, and thats just whats come out so far. |
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In no world is allowing anything to count after a whistle fair. Doesn't matter if it's a nanosecond after the whistle or 2 minutes. I know u wanted the Preds to win and having that happen to them in a SCF game is admittedly very shitty. But there's no fair way to legislate allowing plays to continue after a whistle. There just isn't. It sucks but it's true. You need to let it go. |
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did brohan seriously get banned a week for "trolling" but Chad got off with a warning for cursing at a mod?
God, that's an even worst call than any of the calls or non-calls from last night. |
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Whoa, how clutch is this?
It is pretty awesome, right? There is no answer. HAIKU TUESDAY! |
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I just think the ban wasn't warranted. This is the best thread on here because it doesn't need to be moderated. Ashame it's gotten to that point. |
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#freeBrohan
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I can't wait to hear what Brohan has to say about a bunch of Flyers fans defending him! He must have such mixed feelings reading this :lol
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Something struck me in the rear. I just... wound up... here. They call me Sokka, that is in the Water Tribe. I am not an oaf. You think you're so smart, with your fancy little words, this is not so hard. I calls it easy. Like I paddle my canoe, I'll paddle yours too! Squish, squash, sling that slang. I'm always right back at ya, like my... boomerang! That's right, I'm Sokka, it's pronounced with an "okka", young ladies, I rocked ya! .....:lol That is what I think of when I hear a Haiku |
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Agreed in #freeborhan
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Shit, even I'm on board with #FreeBrohan
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Honest question: How can this be trolling and banworthy...
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#notmythreadpresident
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#FreeBrohan #Revolution1735 #downwithtyranny
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I have my flights booked.
I land in Pitt tomorrow. Will I see y'all there? |
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No. 888888
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Not an excuse but rather an explanation, I do not intentionally taunt anyone in here (unless you consider the occasional back and forth ribbing with Barbs which is good natured) and I had no idea we had a Preds supporter in here when I posted that, now I know we do and I have no intention of intentionally taunting theChad at all - once I saw that I stopped any insults of the preds and completely ignored his remark towards me because I get why he would have been pissed off to see what I typed. So yeah, I fucked up on those posts because I was unaware they would bother anyone, can anyone in this thread honestly claim they have never made a mistake because they were unaware their posts would offend someone? |
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That explanation is fine and all. I just think it's stupid that you banned Brohan for a seemingly innocent couple of posts.
Let's face it, the majority of the people in here were rooting against the Pens. Once the Cup was won, people are ticked off and post irrationally. It happens every June. Just unban Brohan. I don't like the ban and he didn't deserve it. EDIT: Seems like I'm not in the minority either. When you have Flyers fans actively defending a Caps fan, you know something is going on. |
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Can't wait for the parade tomorrow
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Edit: #freebrohan. His posts add some extra flavor to this thread. |
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I have no idea. I'll be on my own, my sister is picking me up at the airport then dropping me off at Heinz field before she heads out to work. If anybody wants to make plans PM me and we can meet somewhere. |
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#notmymoderator
That is a good hash tag....may have got me banned by a different one for a while before. |
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Predators were robbed
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Disappointed that I didn't pioneer the hashtag when I had the chance, but I'm glad everyone else seems to agree.
#freeBrohan |
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But since the king of all things has decided I need to let it go, I guess I will |
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There are a few Caps fans, 2 1/2 Rangers fans, an Islanders fan, a Blue Jackets fan, some playoff only fans of the Bruins, and some ECF/WCF to Stanley Cup final fans of the Sharks and Lightening. Just thought I would update this before anyone feels left out. :scorpio |
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would also like to get behind the misspelling and go with #freeborhan
also on board with #notmymoderator over my#notmypresident this thread is the best. |
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#notmymoderator is a great hashtag.
#makenhlthreadgreatagain |
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:lol :lol Borhan
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Pens are at pnc with the cup tonight, from Bonino on twitter:
Sources in the clubhouse tell me Crosby is throwing from the rubber, and a lot (all) of his teammates don't think he can throw a strike |
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Fuck all ya all. Sitting across from Jimmy Howard and Abdelkader at D&T.
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Feel like we might be the front runners for Duchene. I'd welcome because we need to make a move or lose a good dmen to expansion. |
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very cool Tim, were they good or obnoxious fans? |
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(Have seen no set lists yet. Waiting for show at Saratoga to pass so wife and I are surprised) |
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But hey go Griffins! And I'm not talking about my kid.
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Would still prefer the Hawks season over the Wings season. At least they enjoyed the regular season. Wings were so fucking frustrating to watch.
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It's a great day for
With that said, whole lotta yinzer going on today! This pic... :lol http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/...int-state-park |
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So has he been freed yet?
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did they take the cup away from the Pens and set the re-do for game 6 yet?
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Let's take this down to the river, and party all summer!!!!!
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Mike Lange and Phil Borque are the absolute best
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Weird that Girardi won't be a Ranger anymore, always one of my favorites.
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