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lockman21 04-20-2012 10:33 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Styx Cover Band (Post 13544217)
:lol:lol Someone was listening to Mac and Spiegel this morning

:lol I was, but I've been calling him that forever.

Proof:

https://twitter.com/#!/lockman21/sta...64956260270083

https://twitter.com/#!/lockman21/sta...53182035243008

There are more, just don't feel like digging it out.

TMoore4075 04-20-2012 11:41 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
I threw out the TSN consensus was Canucks/Pens and I think we agree that won't happen. Unless both came back from down 0-3.

Melrose picked Blackhawks and Penguins. This is why I love the Stanley Cup playoffs. Yeah we might have Preds/Yotes but I love the unpredictability of the NHL over lets say the NBA.

bonzo48280 04-20-2012 11:54 AM

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Hawks were one of the hottest teams in the league coming in, were finally healthy, and the Coyotes just didn't look like they could matchup on paper. I just don't get it.

Just win on Saturday and we'll go from there.

Bron Yr Aur 04-20-2012 12:03 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13544592)
Hawks were one of the hottest teams in the league coming in, were finally healthy, and the Coyotes just didn't look like they could matchup on paper. I just don't get it.

Just win on Saturday and we'll go from there.

Coyotes shut us down in the regular season. So...anyone who imagined this would be an easy series is nuts.

Hey, 4 overtime games that could have gone either way. Unfortunately Crawford went from playing solid all series to giving up 2 really, really bad goals. And I think it's obvious that the offense looks a bit out of sorts. Yotes deserve a ton of credit for that because that is their style. Hurts to lose Shaw & Hossa, Toews is still sort of finding his footing...

But for me, the defense just isn't good enough. Not efficient enough getting the puck out of their own end. PP not good enough. And those things go directly to the coaching staff. Hawks lose in 5 and Kitchen (at least) has got to go.

lockman21 04-20-2012 12:06 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13544592)
Hawks were one of the hottest teams in the league coming in, were finally healthy, and the Coyotes just didn't look like they could matchup on paper. I just don't get it.

Just win on Saturday and we'll go from there.

It all boils down to the playmakers and stars just not being that.

We're one player short. It causes Q to juggle the lines way too much and not find something cohesive.

With Hoss gone, that problem is just exposed that much worse. Toews is actualy easier to replace than Hossa was. Look at our problem now, no matter what, you're screwing one of the lines. Stack 10-19-88 and then the 2nd line is a waste. Split up those guys, and one of them gets screwed and is just babysitting.

Sharp has 1 goal, on a redirect with 5 seconds left in the 3rd. Toews hasn't scored since the first goal of the series, Kane hasn't scored at all, Keith hasn't put a puck on net since 1994, etc. etc.

Not to mention special teams are fucking atrocious. Frolik has looked incredibly great, and Morrison actually was pretty good yesterday (even without the goal). I don't know what to make of this team, but when the 3 forwards making almost $20 million aren't putting the puck in the net, you aren't going to win many games, especially in the post season.

TMoore4075 04-20-2012 12:09 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13544654)
It all boils down to the playmakers and stars just not being that.

We're one player short. It causes Q to juggle the lines way too much and not find something cohesive.

With Hoss gone, that problem is just exposed that much worse. Toews is actualy easier to replace than Hossa was. Look at our problem now, no matter what, you're screwing one of the lines. Stack 10-19-88 and then the 2nd line is a waste. Split up those guys, and one of them gets screwed and is just babysitting.

Sharp has 1 goal, on a redirect with 5 seconds left in the 3rd. Toews hasn't scored since the first goal of the series, Kane hasn't scored at all, Keith hasn't put a puck on net since 1994, etc. etc.

Not to mention special teams are fucking atrocious. Frolik has looked incredibly great, and Morrison actually was pretty good yesterday (even without the goal). I don't know what to make of this team, but when the 3 forwards making almost $20 million aren't putting the puck in the net, you aren't going to win many games, especially in the post season.

The last part is right on. Your best players need to be your best players. Yeah you want your role players to step up and contribute but if your best players aren't doing it then eventually you'll lose.

bonzo48280 04-20-2012 12:12 PM

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I wouldn't say Bolland hasn't been effective. His line has been the most consistent and the top line of the Yotes hasn't done anything. Whitney and Vrbata? Are they even playing? It's insane that those two guys have been non-existent and we are down 3-1.

Bron Yr Aur 04-20-2012 12:15 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13544686)
I wouldn't say Bolland hasn't been effective. His line has been the most consistent and the top line of the Yotes hasn't done anything. Whitney and Vrbata? Are they even playing? It's insane that those two guys have been non-existent and we are down 3-1.

Bolland's line has done what has been needed and Bickell has played very well in this series. You can't expect 36 to score when he's playing against the top line all night.

efraser77 04-20-2012 12:16 PM

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Sharks and Hawks have a lot in common right now. Stars not being stars, special teams aren't special. Result: down 3-1, only win in OT. Yay.

bartender_man 04-20-2012 12:16 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13544592)
Hawks were one of the hottest teams in the league coming in, were finally healthy, and the Coyotes just didn't look like they could matchup on paper. I just don't get it.

Just win on Saturday and we'll go from there.

That's the thing about these NHL playoffs. Momentum going in means nothing. It's so hard to predict... really anything can happen. I love it :thumbsup

bartender_man 04-20-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by efraser77 (Post 13544715)
Sharks and Hawks have a lot in common right now. Stars not being stars, special teams aren't special. Result: down 3-1, only win in OT. Yay.

Yup. I'm pissed about the Sharks. Went to game 3-was god aweful. Nearly went to game 4- and very glad I did not. We just can't find any offense at all... they're done.

lockman21 04-20-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13544670)
The last part is right on. Your best players need to be your best players. Yeah you want your role players to step up and contribute but if your best players aren't doing it then eventually you'll lose.

Exactly.

Another point, everyone, even me, was singing Stalberg's praises...but he just appears when it doesn't matter. I'm convinced of it now. He's a bum slayer. Racking up goals against the Blue Jackets, etc. and pad stats, then when it matters, he's a ghost.

But bottom line, Sharp needs to score, Toews needs to score, KANE NEEDS TO PUT THE PUCK IN THE NET.

That's the bottom line. Average blue line be damned, this is one of the highest scoring offenses in the NHL, and we're giving up 2 goals in regulation routinely, and can't win a game. You can't fault the blue line and Crawford that much. We're missing the net on prime opportunities and padding our shot totals from bad spots on the ice. So many shots that really have no chance of going in are being sent into Smith's breadbasket, making him look like freaking Ryan Miller in the Olympics. Then when we have the puck in the high slot, etc. with a clear shot, we fire wide or try to make an extra move and lose the puck. It's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13544686)
I wouldn't say Bolland hasn't been effective. His line has been the most consistent and the top line of the Yotes hasn't done anything. Whitney and Vrbata? Are they even playing? It's insane that those two guys have been non-existent and we are down 3-1.

Bolland has definitely been effective, and his line has been the best, hands down. Bickell-Bolland-Frolik has been the best line on either team. Bolland just isn't "playoff Bolland". Ya know, the guy that picks Pavol Demitra's pocket on the blue line and scores a break away short handed. Or puts up a goal and 3 assists and is a +4 when we're down 3 games to none to the Canucks. That guy. He always shuts down top lines, but 36 usually has those massive ridiculous "holy fuck Dave Bolland you're my hero" moments/games in the playoffs. Haven't seen that yet.

Bron Yr Aur 04-20-2012 12:23 PM

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IMO, Hawks have played pretty decent hockey in this series. Team defense has been an issue all year and PP has been issue all year and both haven't been good enough. We've routinely dominated Phoenix in scoring chances, but Mike Smith has been good and that team keeps it to the outside and is very, very opportunistic. They cash in when they get a chance. Unfortunately Crawford wasn't great last night or in OT of Game 3. Unfortunately the D made 2 very bad mistakes last night and they paid for it. Had Crawford given up a goal on the breakaway early in the 3rd, nobody would have blamed him had the Hawks lost 2-1 or 3-2. Series isn't over yet.

rlpi100 04-20-2012 12:25 PM

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Wow, road teams in the playoffs so far are 20-9. So much for home ice advantage.

Bron Yr Aur 04-20-2012 12:29 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13544762)
Exactly.

Another point, everyone, even me, was singing Stalberg's praises...but he just appears when it doesn't matter. I'm convinced of it now. He's a bum slayer. Racking up goals against the Blue Jackets, etc. and pad stats, then when it matters, he's a ghost.

But bottom line, Sharp needs to score, Toews needs to score, KANE NEEDS TO PUT THE PUCK IN THE NET.

What really bothers me, is that....Sharp & Toews are still giving you that effort in the d-zone. Any forward can go cold offensively over a 4-game stretch, but those guys still play solid, smart hockey. Kane has been dreadful. He routinely tries to stick-handle through 2 defenders and gets knocked off the puck easily...or drifts to the center of the ice and gets stripped of the puck because he didn't shoot early enough. It's just annoying. Kid just refuses to get the puck on net.


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That's the bottom line. Average blue line be damned, this is one of the highest scoring offenses in the NHL, and we're giving up 2 goals in regulation routinely, and can't win a game. You can't fault the blue line and Crawford that much. We're missing the net on prime opportunities and padding our shot totals from bad spots on the ice. So many shots that really have no chance of going in are being sent into Smith's breadbasket, making him look like freaking Ryan Miller in the Olympics. Then when we have the puck in the high slot, etc. with a clear shot, we fire wide or try to make an extra move and lose the puck. It's ridiculous.
Ya gotta give the Yotes some credit. Hawks are getting well over 30 shots a game and PHX is either keeping the opportunities to the outside or Mike Smith is making all of the tough saves. You can't expect to keep up at the same scoring pace against this team. So in that sense, the Hawks just can't afford to make those mistakes like Oduya & Leddy made last night and Crawford has to stop those 19 shots.

Also, there is a ton of talent on that defense. But the "sticks in lanes" shit just needs to soften. Take the goddamn body. Keith has been completely neutered by this defensive system. It would be nice to have Montador right now to be honest. We need another physical d-man in the lineup.

STLDAVE41 04-20-2012 12:35 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by rlpi100 (Post 13544775)
Wow, road teams in the playoffs so far are 20-9. So much for home ice advantage.

wow that's a crazy stat. i knew road teams were doing well but not at that pace.

the Blues handled the Shark Tank well...really hope the series doesn't have to go back there

TMoore4075 04-20-2012 01:02 PM

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That gives me hope for tonight...but not much. Go Wings!! Don't lose in 5. lol If Wings in tonight it's gonna be back in Nashville for game 7 I think.

kev87lads 04-20-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13545020)
That gives me hope for tonight...but not much. Go Wings!! Don't lose in 5. lol If Wings in tonight it's gonna be back in Nashville for game 7 I think.

This is how I feel about the Pens/Flyers tonight. I know I'm not the only one...

TMoore4075 04-20-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 13545088)
This is how I feel about the Pens/Flyers tonight. I know I'm not the only one...

The thing the Pens have against them is if they win tonight game 6 is on the road. Wings get game 6 at home. I don't think Flyers and Pens goes past game 6.

Dramageek 04-20-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13545100)
The thing the Pens have against them is if they win tonight game 6 is on the road. Wings get game 6 at home. I don't think Flyers and Pens goes past game 6.

This is my thought as well. The Pens will carry the energy from the Game 4 whuppin to tonight and win. But the Flyers will hunker down and take care of business at home. But IF the Pens can scratch and claw their way to game 7. If...(cue some sort of Morgan Freeman narration). A fool can hope right?!

Then again, this series has defied all logic and reason. Nothing makes sense. Who knows what will happen? Hold on to your butts.

JRS1386 04-20-2012 01:39 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Laviolette will have this team ready to play. I am confident in tonight's game

Dramageek 04-20-2012 01:41 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 13545192)
Laviolette will have this team ready to play. I am confident in tonight's game

But will Bryzgalov remember to bring his head with him?

JRS1386 04-20-2012 01:43 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 13545198)
But will Bryzgalov remember to bring his head with him?

He hasn't in any games and won 3 of them :lol

lockman21 04-20-2012 01:44 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Final score tonight -

Flyers - 89, Pens - 42

~Crashintome89~ 04-20-2012 01:45 PM

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Bryz will be just fine. Team is confident in him and I'm sure he will be too. *

Dramageek 04-20-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 13545205)
He hasn't in any games and won 3 of them :lol

:lol Very true! I should edit my above post with: Will Fleury remember his head too? The Pens had TWO shutout periods in Game 4. Unheard of in this series! I was watching Bruins-Caps last night and it felt weird not seeing a goal every few minutes!

JRS1386 04-20-2012 01:48 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Is Rinaldo suspended? I saw Grossman is out

Edit: Also, upset that Read was not a Calder finalist. Led Rookies in goals and game winning goals.

Dramageek 04-20-2012 01:51 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 13545226)
Is Rinaldo suspended? I saw Grossman is out

Rinaldo is not suspended, though he may be a healthy scratch because that forward whose name I cannot spell is coming back.

JRS1386 04-20-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 13545234)
Rinaldo is not suspended, though he may be a healthy scratch because that forward whose name I cannot spell is coming back.

Van Riemsdyk? I know he has been skating, not sure if there was anything on him playing yet

Dramageek 04-20-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 13545238)
Van Riemsdyk? I know he has been skating, not sure if there was anything on him playing yet

Yes. I heard reports that he is playing, but I'm not sure if it is 100% confirmed.


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