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Chiarelli. What in the actual fuck are you doing.

The Subban / Weber trade seems somewhat fair. Risky for the Preds if Weber retires, that's for sure.

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I hope Backes signs in Detroit just so I can hate him more.

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I will not watch a game if they sign him.

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I can't wait to buy my first Red Wings jersey.... #42

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Crazy day, huh. At work and all of a sudden, my phone is blowing up like mad. A lot of teams disappointed.

Feel bad for Subban. Guy donates 10 million to the children's hospital and they have that big banner of him up and now management runs him out of town.

As for Edmonton, I think Chiarelli got fleeced big time. He is banking on Larsson taking that next step of development. Seen reports already that a pick or 2 could have gone the other way.

TB cap situation about to get real interesting.

I'm off the next 2 days before working the next 5 so I'll be glued to nhl news the next 2 days. I get how worse my team gets while we settle for someone like Perron to ride shotgun with JT.

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You guys think I'm joking but I'm not. Okposo and Martin are the only two UFAs that I'd even consider. All the rest are older and not worth the term. Even those two aren't worth the money but I could at least try to accept it. Just cause you have the money doesn't mean you have to use it. Just let the kids play. At worst you finish worse and draft higher. At least you'll see how good the kids are and you aren't locked into bad contracts.

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Sad you think those 2 are worth yet Snow hasn't even spoken to their agents. :lorraine:lorraine

I can understand it, though. If Okposo gets 7-8 per and we give him that, we are committed to Tavares and Okposo being our top 2 for the foreseeable future and Okposo, while great and I love him isn't worth the money he will get. He is better as the 3rd.

Martin has had to accumulate some wear leading the league in hits for 5 straight years. He is arguably the best player in the community I've seen in a while and is a great teammate too. He deserves whatever he gets but I can see him not being worth the 3 million a year towards end of his deal.

I wish them well.

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I can see from a NYI point of view not seeing their value when JT's contract coming up. Okposo I don't do 7mil and the Wings don't have anyone who could command 10mil in a couple years. Martin, even though he's gonna get overpaid, that one I'm surprised. Everyone seems to love him and he's the kind of guy every team wants. Yes overpayment but....As for the wear on him I understand that, the positive is he's still pretty young. Backes who has also played physical, though not quite that level, is 32....and he turned down a 3 year deal from the Blues. He wants more than 3 years...teams should RUN.

I do have one more person to add to my list that I'd accept for a cheap one year deal that is Eric Staal. He seems to want to prove himself and that type of motivation and have Nyquist, Tatar, Larkin, Abdelkader and maybe Mantha to play with.

As for Subban I do feel for him. He put so much into that community and his team sure didn't seem to like him and I think his personality was the reason he was traded. He is also very much liked by the fans. We talk about Larsson having to prove himself in Edmonton, there is a level of that with Weber as well. Not skill wise but he's gonna have to win the fans over and he's nowhere near the personality of PK. My view of if it makes the team better is if they are able to add a skilled player or two up front and Price is healthy and they win it all, can anyone honestly tell me they couldn't have done it with Subban instead of Weber? Until this team addresses it's forward issue, Weber doesn't make a difference.

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Staal being rumored to the Islanders, too, as a fall back if Frans somehow leaves, too.

If I lose all 3, I'll be crushed.

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That would be crushing to me too. What do you think they do if they lose all of them? And how good would they be next year?

Okposo as a possibility for my team but I think Martin, Staal on a one year deal and then try to get Shattenkirk (ha shat) or Fowler via trade. Fowler is safer with 2 years still left at his salary and he's local. Then just see what happens. This team can improve a lot with the just the guys they have. Nyquist, Tatar and Abby have better years and that alone helps.

Friday will be boring compared to yesterday. Although we thought Seth Jones was gonna be the big news of yesterday....

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So, I have been away for a day. Did I miss anything? I still think Stamkos will sign with Detroit for sure!

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Snow keeps everything close to the vest and very little gets out so no one knows. Perron was yesterday's rumor but he doesn't make us better. I suppose Ladd would welcomed but I don't see that for a variety of reasons.

If , say, a perron is the best we wind up with and at keep Frans, we are not as good a team as last year unless players like Strome and Brock Nelson rebound to 50 point seasons with 20 plus goals each.

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I used to have a little bit of dread mixed with excitement during free agency, but with Hextall at the helm I am not too worried about the Flyers doing something dumb

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Pretty much how I feel about Mac. I've fallen pretty hard for the guy.

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You mean like Demers getting the rumored $5.5mil he will get on the open market?

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next 24-48 hours. Lucic is all but done. The rumored deals out there....so dumb. Backes wants more than 3 years, Ladd could get 6, Okposo at $7mil, Eriksson wants 5-6 years at age 31 and crap like that. Last year teams stayed away from the real dumb deals and I was pleasantly surprised. Not so sure about tomorrow.

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Yup, its still a stupid fuckin' trade gang. fml.

More ice cream please.

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Look on the bright side - Oilers still have Yak!

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Absolutely. But in the end, I think this will be a better situation for him.

Over the past couple seasons, Nashville has proven to be a city that WANTS to love their hockey team. The support they got in last years' playoffs was unbelievable, especially with all the country stars coming out of the woodworks to support the team. I think that with that, the team has really been looking for that enthusiastic, extroverted star presence that they can really market around. I mean, they had Fisher (Underwood), Weber, Josi, Forsberg, etc., but they are all pretty quiet and reserved. Subban is out there, with a big smile and tons of panache and braggadocio. A team and city like Nashville won't repress his personality like it appears Montreal did. I think it's what Nashville needs and wants, and in that sense I think he'll be a great fit.

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Hmmm, good point :lol


They really have to sign both Lucic and Demers for this nonsensical trade to make any sort of sense.

We just got fleeced so hard on it - hard to fathom. Apparently the ask from MTL for Subban was the 4th overall pick, Draisaitl, Nurse and a couple plugs. Can't blame them for not doing that one anyway.

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poor guy has to go from Quebec to Nashville

i guess it could be worse. it could be European soccer

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Rumor has it Ladd is on Long Island today. Get it done Snow. Would rather Okposo and surely not first choice but worried about leaving tomorrow empty so I'd easily "settle" for Ladd.

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But again, I know the guy totally devoted himself to the city of Montreal, but I think personality-wise he'll really be allowed to flourish in Nashville. I think he can do a lot for the team in the community in terms of really putting a face to the team.

He'll certainly do a lot more there than he will in Nashville's defensive end.

:mic drop

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@TSNBobMcKenzie:
Buyout waivers: Korpikoski (EDM), Carle (TB), Boll (CBJ), Seidenberg (BOS), Greene (LA), Jackman (NSH).

Wings fans were upset that the Wings didn't sign Carle after losing out on Suter in 2012. A reminder to be careful what you wish for tomorrow.

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Would love for the Avs to pick up someone like Jackman or Greene on the cheap for their 3rd pair.

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Sounds like Brian Campbell is all but signed (July 1) with the Blackhawks.

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Huet coming back too? Would only be fitting.

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Screw him, you got Rosival back!!!

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Per Staple, isles lead beat writer, isles could have had Hall if Hamonic was offered because that is what Edmonton wanted but Staple said if islanders traded Hamonic after all he went through and rescinding trade demand ", the team may have staged a coup".

He also put out that he thinks islanders will be in on a trade with a cap strapped team like tb (mentioning Killorn) . Worked with boychuk and leddy. Go for it.

He also thinks team like Detroit, buffalo might look to Frans after losing out on Stamkos. Ugh.

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No thanks. I don't think he makes them that much better for the price he's gonna get. My thought process on this has been does the player or players make you better than the playoff bubble team you are right now? If the answer is no, don't do it. Spend $12-13mil on 2nd tier players and miss the playoffs or don't spend it and miss the playoffs?

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Rumor of Looch for 6.5milx7. Ya know...to make you feel better.....IF that's true I just don't get it. He scored 20 goals last year.

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Yeah, pretty sure Hall is being paid an even 6, and is a 30-40 goal scorer. Potential to hit 50 for sure.

Oilers = continually dumb.

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Next time Edmonton gets the first overall pick they should make them forfeit it.

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Would also love to see the Avs take a run at Chimera. He's exactly what the Avs locker room needs.

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Maybe that's the big move coming from the Avs that Mirtle tweeted.

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Carchidi expects the Flyers to go after mid-level FA. He thinks Ladd, Backes and Boedker are just out of their price range but I'd love to see the Flyers go after one of those three. Would add something much-needed on the second line.

EDIT: Trading Streit would make life easier.

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Matt Duchene to MTL for Shea Weber.

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Gabe's name came out earlier.... Gabe to Wings for Jonathan Ericsson and Jimmy Howard...do it.

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That is worse than the Larsson/Hall trade, ugh.

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Edit: Damnit, Tim beat me to it :lol

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I wish it were true. Well Gabe's name was put out there earlier. I mean do teams just think "Let's see if we can trade one of our best players today."?

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Yeah. I think it's one of the downsides of other teams knowing that you're desperate. Have you ever seen the movie Draft Day? GMs can be absolutely ruthless I think if they smell desperation (ahem, Chiarelli).

I sincerely doubt Sakic was seriously shopping Gabe, but it's a perfectly reasonable scenario for him to be talking to another GM and that GM seeing just how high he can go and bringing up Gabe's name.

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But seriously folks, here's hoping the Avs are the proud new owners of a shiny Cam Fowler or Kevin Shattenkirk by the end of the day.

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I have not seen that movie yet.

One rumor that was out before was EDM interested in Barrie and makes me wonder if that has something going on here.

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Boston bought out Seidenberg, my buddy told me. I wonder where he goes.

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Would you settle for an Andrew MacDonald or Mark Streit?!?!??!?! :lol

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That would be like when my parents took me car shopping as a teenager. I had expectations of a Land Rover and came out with a Geo Prizm.

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A shit-brown Geo Prizm that smells like urine.

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hey geo prizms were great. screw you all.

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To be fair, I drove that thing up until about 3 years ago.

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Tomorrow I get to leave work at 3, I love the new job closing early the Friday before Memorial Day and now the 4th btw, so I hope most of the UFA's are off the board and Ken Holland can just say "oh well" by then.

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Tim, why didn't you drive to WI for Alpine weekend?

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Honestly, I didn't really think about it. Did Blossom to add a 2nd show but I dunno why Alpine never really jumped out to me.

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Dustin not pulling any punches:

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/06/30/...taincy-change/

Not a huge surprise for us with our hairy legged DB insider. ;)

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Well I'm glad I decided not care about hockey until it gets cold again.
https://mobile.twitter.com/cspotweet...41355642642432

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You heard it here first!

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Here is hoping the contracts the Wings give out don't make me want to jump out the window.

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Happy free agent day. Hope we sign Ladd today as the first piece of the puzzle.

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Assuming TSN will stream today, and you have chrome or firefox, you can grab the hola extension which masks where you are viewing from so you can make it think you are in Canada. I'm guessing NHL.com will have the Sportsnet feed and....it's just not the same.

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Recent tweet by Dreger

https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenDre...48346077560832

Don't want to lose Franz.

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Yeah....I'm like eh. lol BUT signing him if they do means no Backes so score one for me if this happens.

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I still think the Rangers have a chance at Stammer.

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They'll get him when his contract is up at 34 maybe.

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Avs fans, whats the skinny on Tyson Barrie? Sounds like the Oilers might be trying to nab him....possibly for Nuge?!

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Reports of Helm being close to re-signing with the Wings. Just him and Nielsen if both end up true? So still a bubble team. I just don't see how it's worth it. Not saying tank but why make moves if it doesn't make you better than you were last year?

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I've been so out of touch with free agency this year. Mostly because I expect the Caps won't do much.

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Ekblad gets 8 years for 60 mil. Damn, nice extension for the kid and a smart move by FLA to tie him up.

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I love Tim's annoyance on here and VERY vocal on Twitter. It's a good time. (By the way, I agree with what you are saying. - I'm just enjoying the show.)

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Yeah, great decision to lock him up long term like that. In a world where acquiring top tier defenseman is as easy as finding a patch of four leaf clovers (ahem, Nashville, the fuck were you guys thinking?) Ekblad is absolutely worth hanging on to. He'll be worth every bit of that contract. Good for the Panthers.

Now THAT sounds like the New York Rangers

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A youth movement in the works. Nice

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I accept that they are in transition. Stamkos made so much sense because he was a #1 center and changes the dynamic of that team. That money made sense cause then you could let the young guys develop slowly. Nielsen for 50-60 points? Why spend the money? He'll get you the points Pavel got you last year or around that. So again...it puts you as a bubble team. Is that good for your long term outlook? I understand not wanting to tank, but honestly with the young talent they have on the team now with Larkin, Abby, Tatar, Nyquist, Mantha probably and Mrazek in net they are never gonna be LEAFS bad so letting the kids play wouldn't be taking, it would be seeing where they go and if you miss the playoffs by a lot you get a chance at higher end talent.
Yep. lol

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@Real_ESPNLeBrun:
Detroit Red Wings showing interest in Alex Radulov.

KHL options going to shit. 1 year deal at an easy cap hit I 'd do it. If he gives it his all, with Nielsen and Helm along with Tats and Nyquist having better years...then they might be better. Still the long term outlook? I dunno. Short term: Cup contender? I don't think so.

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I thought with not much drama around the Wings I wouldn't be paying attention. I'm not getting any work done. lol

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I had a feeling the Habs weren't done. Radulov is risky.

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He's a wonderful offensive talent who can run a PP. he's super sneaky about when he jumps into a play and is a really good finisher. He's the type of guy you want on the ice in OT, as he's got the penchant to score the big goals.

That said, he's an absolute liability in his own zone. Seems to have very little actual defensive instincts and requires a good D partner to make up for his errors.

I'd be surprised if the Avs did a deal for Nuge with him. RNH is basically cut from the same cloth as Duchene and they really don't need him. I could see it being a part of a 3-way trade... Maybe Barrie to EDM, Nuge to WPG, and Trouba to COL?

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Yeah I'm curious about the $$ and term. One year, like I said with the Wings, I'd probably do it as long as it's not too high of a cap hit. But I agree with all the people saying "They wanted more character and go with Radulov? ok."

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Also funny to see different reactions on players. Most people outside of Detroit: "Nice cap hit for Helm and can play in all situations." In Detroit: "way too high and 5 years? Why?!?!?" Me I'm in between. Cap hit is fine and sure 5 years but not like you are paying him $7mil and he'll be 34 when it's done. Also a trade-able contract. I think some people think a team should be able to get the perfect $ and perfect term all the time. That's not how it works, especially with the cap and all teams being pretty much on an even level. Wings had to give Mike Green $6mil to get it at only 3 years. It's call a negotiation....not NHL 99.

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Maybe him and Weber had a connection back then and will help transition him back.

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We've already got enough of that, thanks.

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Maybe, although someone posted this from 4 years ago:

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2012/05/18/...nted-him-back/

things change but who knows. Still an hour to go and lots of drama.

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Recent tweet has isles and franz moving on. :lorraine

Maybe he will be a wing in a hour

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It sure seems like it. What as the last offer they had for him? $5.5mil? Wings giving him more than that? Sigh....

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Reported at 5.5 but someone, I forget who, said he felt it was really lower than. Like I said yesterday, hard to get anything out of Snow so who knows.

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Dreger feels Okposo to buffalo seems most likely.

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That's a good fit but the rumors were 7 years and 7mil per...for a guy who has broken 24 goals once and he got to play with Tavares.

Oh btw, rumors of Ladd for 7 years to the Isles...he's 30.

I'm not too crazy about the Helm deal but there was one blog post about how it was awful and some dude going on a rant. I get not being too happy with it but don't be tunnel visioned and ignore the other stupid fucking deals and say Holland could have spend the money better elsewhere when Looch is gonna get 42mil and Okposo 49mil and Ladd 7 years...Want to argue he's better off not spending money? You got me. Better elsewhere? Fuck no.

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Agree completely. You have a young, calder winning defenseman who is getting better and better the smart move is to lock him up and protect him from the expansion draft. Even better because it is a good contract for FL specifically considering the lack of defensive talent on the market right now - no one wants to part with a top d man.

Today should be interesting: wondering if Okposo, Lucic, Ladd, Backes, Brouwer, Eriksson, Boedker, Demers or Campbell are signed today. Kucherov will also be a big wild card IMO - he is young, talented as hell but restricted so I am not sure what it would take to land him - 6 years minimum I would think.

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To be fair, Okposo played a lot over the years with nielsen , too and others. Never was he strictly with Tavares. He is arguably the best forward ufa considering age, skill, etc and will get overpaid as expected.

Ladd will be 1-2 years too many but jt peak is the next 4 years plus gms never worry about last 2 years of these long term deals just the front 2/3rds or so.

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First 4 years is fine for Ladd, I guess depending on the price, but yeah the last few years of that deal will be tough.

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Seeing confirmed for 7. Hopefully, they added a year to get the money down per season.

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Hey homies, do you know if TSN is streaming the free agency coverage?

I plan on being 0% productive today.

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I tried and it wouldn't let me. They make you sign into your cable provider now so my faking my VPN won't work. Gotta deal with sportsnet via NHL.com.... blah. It's better than nothing I guess.

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Ready to laugh at some of these deals

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LeBrun confirms Lucic to EDM. Terms not revealed yet.

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Eriksson - 6 years to Canucks

Ladd - 7 to Islanders

Edit- Staple has cap hit of 5.5 per. Happy with that dollar amount.

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5.5mil for Ladd. That's not bad but again those last couple years.... This is what happens with UFA stuff though.

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Oh and Reimer for 5 years as a backup? That seems like a lot.

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7 years, 42 mil

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super insignificant FA year

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Remember, Luongo is 37. Maybe FLA is looking at a phase-out situation where Reimer inherits starting job in 2-3 seasons? For a starting goalie, that's a great salary.

Also odd that they just acquired Berra to supposedly be their backup. Reimer is DEFINITELY an improvement in that department. I speak from experience.

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Frans to Detroit. 6 years. 31.5 million :shrug

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Well Tim, you got your replacement for Datsyuk!

All kidding aside, I think Neilson is a good fit for the Red Wings. Plays their type of all-around game. He's still got time to grow.