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swordo84 07-05-2013 01:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14698897)
Not a bad price for Bozak considering what was being reported.

Again assuming last season's injury was one off, then he's an improvement over Fil IMO.

Yup, seems pretty fair for Bozak.

swordo84 07-05-2013 01:47 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Clarkson signing with the Leafs for 7 years. Money to be reported as yet.

Edit; @TSNBobMcKenzie NSH agrees to 4 year, $12M deal with Viktor Stalberg.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-05-2013 01:50 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Clarkson getting 7 years from the Leafs makes me feel a lot better about the Horton deal, unless the money just isn't even close.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 01:53 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
The thing about Horton is he's 1 bad hit away from being done for good. He's had major concussion issues which makes the 7 years a bit scarier for him than Clarkson.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-05-2013 01:57 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Well technically everyone is 1 bad hit away from being done for good :lol

I hear you though, I just think from a $ standpoint it doesn't look as ridiculous based on these other contracts.

Dramageek 07-05-2013 01:58 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Pens sign Scuderi for four years/$3.375 million per year. Cool.

swordo84 07-05-2013 02:02 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
$5.25mil per year for Clarkson (7 years w/ the Leafs)

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 02:07 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Cap hit for Clarkson is much better than I thought it'd be. I'd take Clarkson on that deal over Clowe on his deal.

swordo84 07-05-2013 02:08 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14698963)
Cap hit for Clarkson is much better than I thought it'd be. I'd take Clarkson on that deal over Clowe on his deal.

That Clowe deal is tuuuurrrrrrrriiiiibbbbbbbbbllllllleeee.

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 02:10 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
If Wings get Weiss they take players from two new divisional rivals. Still need help on D. But they get Alfie, Weiss and they get Helm back. They should, in theory, be better.

swordo84 07-05-2013 02:14 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14698974)
If Wings get Weiss they take players from two new divisional rivals. Still need help on D. But they get Alfie, Weiss and they get Helm back. They should, in theory, be better.

The Oilers should be good in theory as well. :BANG

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 02:18 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 14698992)
The Oilers should be good in theory as well. :BANG

Said 4 straight years.

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 02:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Weiss done. $4.9 per for 5 years.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-05-2013 02:41 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14699007)
Weiss done. $4.9 per for 5 years.

I just heard Filpulla is looking for similar money.

hoke2007 07-05-2013 02:47 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14698974)
If Wings get Weiss they take players from two new divisional rivals. Still need help on D. But they get Alfie, Weiss and they get Helm back. They should, in theory, be better.

If the Wings could make miracles happen and get Brunner back, I'd do a backflip. But as of now I'm still pretty happy with Holland at getting two solid signings done.

swordo84 07-05-2013 02:54 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
@RealKyper #Redwings not done as they have interest in #Penguins Brenden Morrow .

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 03:02 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Why would anyone want Morrow?

swordo84 07-05-2013 03:04 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699083)
Why would anyone want Morrow?

je ne sais pas. :goat

Edit: Still out there: Jarome Iginla, Jaromir Jagr, Tim Thomas, Mikhail Grabovski, Derek Roy ...


Edit 2; The general consensus is that there is 'something more' to Alfie leaving. Thought he was given a blank cheque to stay in Ottawa, but walked. Can't wait to hear more on this.

hoke2007 07-05-2013 03:12 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Filppula signs a deal worth $5 mil a season with the Lightning.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 03:12 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Can someone explain to me again why there was a lock out last year?

bradshaw06 07-05-2013 03:15 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699109)
Can someone explain to me again why there was a lock out last year?

Some (well most) of these deals are crazy.

swordo84 07-05-2013 03:15 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699109)
Can someone explain to me again why there was a lock out last year?

Nope. I think there has almost been $300mil dropped today.

Edit;
As of 25min ago...
From @TSNResearch so far #NHL eastern teams have spent 183.5 million western teams 105.1m #easternbias #FreeAgentFrenzy

bradshaw06 07-05-2013 03:16 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I just wish Parise and Suter would make up their minds already

swordo84 07-05-2013 03:28 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Feel good story; Rangers have signed Dominic Moore. $1m.

For those of you that forget/don't know, he left the league after his wife died early this year.


Edit; This is fun
@DarrenDreger I'm told the Bruins are also talking to Jarome Iginla. Good scoop. Can't make this stuff up.

Edit2; wowowow, reports are that the Sens have acquired Bobby Ryan. No details as yet...

~Crashintome89~ 07-05-2013 03:32 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
thank god, I was really getting tired of the Ryan-Flyers rumors.

bradshaw06 07-05-2013 03:32 PM

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wow Ryan to the Sens.

DynastyDrummer1 07-05-2013 03:45 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14699145)
thank god, I was really getting tired of the Ryan-Flyers rumors.

And I was tired of the Ryan for Miller rumors. Finally those are gone.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-05-2013 03:50 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
They should have traded Miller.

Dramageek 07-05-2013 03:53 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699109)
Can someone explain to me again why there was a lock out last year?

Both sides posturing and trying to fool everyone into believing there would actually be some change?

hailtopitt 07-05-2013 03:53 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
return of the scud missle lol

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 03:59 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
That's a big move by the Sens. Don't like him coming to division c.

As for Fil, gets to play with Stamkos so that should help him. But still Weiss is more worth that price. Fils best year he played wing with Zetterberg.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 04:04 PM

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Is he really going to play with Stamkos over Drouin and St. Louis?

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 04:06 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699194)
Is he really going to play with Stamkos over Drouin and St. Louis?

To start over Drouin? Yes. We'll see how it lasts though. So Fil, Weiss and Alfie all go to teams in the same division.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 04:10 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Horton seems like he can't even come up with a logical reason for going to Columbus.

rickyh24 07-05-2013 04:22 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Does Tuukka have a real twitter account?

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 04:25 PM

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Not that I know of.

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 04:30 PM

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Still trying to picture Alfie as a Wing...I can't. It's fucking weird.

Roose13 07-05-2013 04:38 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
All those butt hurt Sens fans are over Alfie now :lol

And what a busy day for Toronto, who just added a nice cheap piece in TJ Brennan.

HallowBillies7 07-05-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyh24 (Post 14699223)
Does Tuukka have a real twitter account?

I wish haha but no. I'm surprised Khudobin signed with the Canes, thought he'd try and get a starting position somewhere

bradshaw06 07-05-2013 06:08 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Pens re-signed adams. Ugh what a shitty day.

jackisback24 07-05-2013 06:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14699381)
Pens re-signed adams. Ugh what a shitty day.

sounds like you could use a Sam Adams.

Roose13 07-05-2013 06:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackisback24 (Post 14699396)
sounds like you could use a Sam Adams.

Or to punch someone in the Adams apple.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 07:35 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Iginla to the Bruins. Looks like he wants a cup now.

kev87lads 07-05-2013 07:35 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Now Ignila joins the bruins. A few months too late buddy.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 07:41 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Matt Cooke to the Wild. It's a shame he's still going to be cashing NHL pay checks.

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 07:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
1 year $6 million for Iginla. Don't really mind considering the Bruins had no one else to use the cap space on. Also wont effect Bergeron's extension.

jackisback24 07-05-2013 07:48 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699521)
1 year $6 million for Iginla. Don't really mind considering the Bruins had no one else to use the cap space on. Also wont effect Bergeron's extension.

Iginla will be slightly more effective than Jagr in the playoffs.

salrx95 07-05-2013 07:51 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 14699513)
Matt Cooke to the Wild. It's a shame he's still going to be cashing NHL pay checks.

they replace the get under your skin player they lost when they traded Clutterbuck to the Isles.

Happy to see the Isles signed Hamonic, a RFA, to a 7 year extension. Now I can ask for a #3 jersey for my upcoming birthday as he will be here a while.

HallowBillies7 07-05-2013 07:58 PM

Iggy to Boston? I'm waiting for Chiarelli to say nevermind and he decided to resign Jagr

bradshaw06 07-05-2013 08:03 PM

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Seriously though, putting Iginla on the left wing might be the dumbest coaching decision of all time.

Iginla will produce, no doubt about it. They'll use him correctly, because they have a legitimate coach who isn't a total moron.

rickyh24 07-05-2013 08:03 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Could still use jagr IMO.

Roose13 07-05-2013 08:04 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HallowBillies7 (Post 14699533)
Iggy to Boston? I'm waiting for Chiarelli to say nevermind and he decided to resign Jagr

ROFL :lol:lol

jackisback24 07-05-2013 08:05 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HallowBillies7 (Post 14699533)
Iggy to Boston? I'm waiting for Chiarelli to say nevermind and he decided to resign Jagr

hahaaha.

mr.MikeD 07-05-2013 08:10 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
so do b's fans love or hate iggy now?

rickyh24 07-05-2013 08:13 PM

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We should still hate him because we are a racist city right?

Roose13 07-05-2013 08:33 PM

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Bruins fans will only half-hate Iggy

n/r

jackisback24 07-05-2013 08:34 PM

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Iggy Strong?

TMoore4075 07-05-2013 10:13 PM

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That's like dating a girl a few months after you turned her down for her friend and then the friend dumped you and you say "I guess she'll do now."

dduncan6er 07-05-2013 10:19 PM

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It's more like dating a girl down, realizing she's nuts, then going out with her hotter friend you should have dated from the start.

aclark0622 07-05-2013 10:47 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Iginla huh, well that's awkward

DmBand801 07-06-2013 12:23 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14698750)
:lol :lol :lol Devils.

Lecavalier signed for what? 4.5? Clowe is what? 4.8? :lol

Mason + Emery vs Schneider + Marty :lol:lol:lol

We're totally having a better offseason than you.


I hate the length of the Clowe deal, but I still feel he will outperform Clarkson through the length of the deal.

Bron Yr Aur 07-06-2013 01:44 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Blackhawks sign Khabby to a 1-yr deal. Haha awesome.

TMoore4075 07-06-2013 08:52 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I like Holmgrens answer for why Emery and he said 17-1. I'm thinking the team had a little to do with that.

Also with the new playoff format good chance of Wings and Sens in playoffs...awkward.

~Crashintome89~ 07-06-2013 10:23 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Tim is just jealous that his team signed an old man in a wheelchair and a guy who played for the Florida Panthers.

Roose13 07-06-2013 10:26 AM

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If Holmgren truly signed him based off of 17-1 then Emery would be making more than $1.65 million. You took it out of context since he was joking. Here are the five questions he answered about Emery:

Quote:

Q: Can you talk about what sold you on bringing Ray Emery back?

“17-1 helped. (laughter) When Ray was here the last time… I certainly have a very strong and positive memory of when Ray played for us, even though it ended in February, I think, in a game in Calgary when he shut out Calgary, and then the next morning we were in Edmonton and he wakes up with a sore hip. Then he went through a real difficult surgery, obviously battled his way back. He’s been a good player here now for two or three years. We’re excited to have him back. With Ray and with Steve as our two goalies, we have a good combination in net, a good duo that we can go to bat with.”

Q: Does Ray seem more mature and better equipped to handle a two-goalie tandem?

“I don't think there's any question. He's three or four years older since the last time he was here. I thought Ray was a good citizen, a good soldier, and he played good when he was here. Going through what he went through I think probably certainly gave him a great deal of resolve to work his way back to the NHL and perform at the level he’s played at now. We’re happy to have him back and I’m really looking forward to it.”

Q: Did you sign Ray to battle for #1 or to be the #2?

“That’ll all be decided once we get going. They’re both good goalies that we like. Steve’s a young guy who obviously started out with a bang and had a couple down years. I think last year, even in his time in Columbus, it looked like he had bounced back, and we were certainly happy with the way he played for us at the end of the year. When you've got two good goalies that you're comfortable with, they’re both extremely competitive, both very athletic, both good teammates… I think it’s a real positive for our team.”

Q: Prefer if one of them emerge?

“I think all that will come out in the wash. Right now we’re happy to have two good goalies.”

Q: Ray mentioned that he and Mason had been skating together in the offseason. Was that important to you guys?

“I didn’t even know that. I know Ray called in earlier in the day and asked for Steve’s phone number and wanted to reach out to him, which I thought was a real positive. They're both good guys. They'll be good teammates, they’ll work well together and I think they’ll help us win a lot of hockey games.”

TMoore4075 07-06-2013 11:30 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14700860)
Tim is just jealous that his team signed an old man in a wheelchair and a guy who played for the Florida Panthers.

22 straight years in the playoffs.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14700862)
If Holmgren truly signed him based off of 17-1 then Emery would be making more than $1.65 million. You took it out of context since he was joking. Here are the five questions he answered about Emery:

I know just being a smart ass.

HallowBillies7 07-06-2013 11:32 AM

The question is, where will Bryzgalov end up?

JRS1386 07-06-2013 11:42 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
KHL is my guess, but it would be awesome for him to be a Canuck

~Crashintome89~ 07-06-2013 12:00 PM

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just so everyone knows Tim traded his first new born son for Alfie.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-06-2013 12:06 PM

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:lol @ Mason starting

TMoore4075 07-06-2013 12:22 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14701032)
:lol @ Mason starting

So did see Horton out until December. That sucks. Gotta hope they stay above water until then. Don't dig too big of a hole.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-06-2013 12:24 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14701059)
So did see Horton out until December. That sucks. Gotta hope they stay above water until then. Don't dig too big of a hole.

Yeah he said yesterday that he is going into surgery hopefully next week or the week after and then a 4-6 month recovery.

It's all going to depend on how BOBROVSKY!!! plays anyways, whether Horton is healthy or not. They still don't have enough offensive to Pittsburgh Penguin teams.

Roose13 07-06-2013 01:41 PM

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Lecavlier had a lot of great quotes today. Pretty excited to see what he can bring to Philly in this system. And he's open to playing wing, so we may see him with Giroux a bit.

Here's my story: http://flyers.thecheckingline.com/bl...-coming-philly

JRS1386 07-06-2013 11:57 PM

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http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/94...st-louis-blues

Roy is now a Blues

Roose13 07-08-2013 12:10 PM

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The Legion of Doom with the LCB Line, no big deal: https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/354268640830423040

s0628711 07-08-2013 12:30 PM

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So happy the rangers locked up macdonagh. That will go down as some of the best money they have ever spent.


And the obligatory "Thank you so much Montreal!"

Roose13 07-08-2013 12:32 PM

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John Moore ain't too bad either. You should be thanking the Flyers via Anaheim via Columbus :lol:lol (The pick he was taken with was traded to the Ducks for Chris Pronger; and was then traded to CBJ who drafted him.)

s0628711 07-08-2013 12:35 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705022)
John Moore ain't too bad either. You should be thanking the Flyers via Anaheim via Columbus :lol:lol (The pick he was taken with was traded to the Ducks for Chris Pronger; and was then traded to CBJ who drafted him.)

Oh I'm happy with Moore as well.

But Sather traded one of the worst contracts ever for one of the best all around defenseman in the game today.

I'm hoping with Moore and stralman seemingly in the fold long term now, I hope it means the MDZ era is nearing its' end.

dmbwadeo 07-08-2013 01:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s0628711 (Post 14705018)
So happy the rangers locked up macdonagh. That will go down as some of the best money they have ever spent.


And the obligatory "Thank you so much Montreal!"

Wait you don't want Gomez back? I wonder what pictures Sather has of Gainey!

fonzz41 07-08-2013 02:39 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Didn't check in much over the long weekend, but some thoughts over one of the most exciting free agency opening days in a while:

- Can't believe how much money was spent. Clowe, Clarkson, Filpulla, even Weiss all got overpaid. Oh well.

- Interesting to see some of the lateral moves that took place. Clarkson leaves, Devs sign Clowe. Clutterbuck traded, Minny signs Cooke. Flyers buy out Briere, sign Lecavalier. Different reasons for the moves, I know, but just interesting.

Winners:
- Senators: Fans can't be happy that Alfredsson left, but man, kudos to Murray for not hanging his head. Within a matter of hours, he lands a top-line scorer in Bobby Ryan. I'm excited to see what he can do with either Spezza or Turris (can see him doing well with both). MacArthur is one of the more underrated signings. He'll do well.
- Oilers: Ference is the perfect fit attitude wise for the Oilers right now. Gordon was overpaid, but will fill Horcoff's spot nicely.
- Boston: Like I briefly typed over the weekend, I think the Bruins stole this trade. Eriksson is the complete package: fast, tough, GREAT hands, defensively responsible, good leader. Reminds me a ton of Peter Forsberg. Morrow adds even more depth to the blueline, giving them some bargaining pieces for later. And hey, I like the Iginla signing, as hilarious as it is. I always thought he would be a great Bruin.
- Nashville: They always win by committee, and they added some great players to fit in well with their team system in Cullen, Nystrom, Hendricks, and (gulp) Stalberg.
- Carolina: I think Komisarek will do well with a change of scenery, and Khudobin has the potenital to be the darkhorse of this year's signings.
- Phoenix: The fact that they got anyone - especially a scorer - is a win in my book. Say what you will about Ribeiro, but the guy usually produces. Re-signing Smith was also huge.

In-Betweeners:
- Detroit: Ken Holland is a master at addressing team needs, and kudos to him for going out and getting a serviceable 2nd line center in Weiss. He paid a lot for him, but we'll see how Weiss does in a winning system. I like the thought of Alfredsson playing with Z... but it reminds me a bit of the Modano signing. Hopefully doesn't end the same way.
- Islanders: Love the addition of Clutterbuck. Neidereitter wasn't going anywhere with the Isles anyways, so may as well let him go. Bouchard is injury prone, but could work magic with Tavares. Don't really understand bringing Nabokov back.
- Jackets: Nathan Horton is the head man now. We'll see, I guess...
- Pens: Bringing back Scuderi was a key move. But they've got soooo much salary committed to so few players, I can't see this ending well for the Pens. I just can't.
- Stars: Yeah, the Bruins won this trade, but Seguin is still #1 center potential. Doesn't have the all-around game that Eriksson did, but has the talent to score a lot in Dallas. Interested to see him paired with Benn.
- Leafs: Clarkson and Bolland are great depth additions who will produce on the scoresheet, but who's going to play center on the top line? Bozak? BTW, Clarkson and Bozak are laughing all the way to the bank

Wut?
- Lightning: Really? $5 mil for Filpulla?
- Flyers: OK, I like the Emery signing, but this organization is completely lost.
- Devils: I like the Schneider deal at the draft, but the dramatic overpayment for Clowe just proves how hard it is for NJ to convince people to play for them.
- Avs: ANDRE BENOIT???? THAT'S YOUR ONE SIGNING? GAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!

tl;dnr

Roose13 07-08-2013 04:35 PM

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A lot of people, including myself, don't really think the Flyers are lost. Got Vinny and Emery for bargains, drafted for the future, and could actually be a good team if they just stay healthy. It's not a 48-game season every year.

s0628711 07-08-2013 04:39 PM

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I don't really see how lecavalier can be considered a bargain. And the flyers just threw in the no move clause for the hell of it I guess?

Roose13 07-08-2013 04:47 PM

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AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.

Oh, he also got less money than Clarkson and Weiss, very similar numbers to Clowe, and will have a better season than all three next year. I guarantee it.

fonzz41 07-08-2013 04:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705771)
A lot of people, including myself, don't really think the Flyers are lost. Got Vinny and Emery for bargains, drafted for the future, and could actually be a good team if they just stay healthy. It's not a 48-game season every year.

Sorry John, I just don't see any improvement on this roster. Changes were made, but things basically stayed the same. I could be totally wrong once the season starts and we see these guys on the ice, but I just don't see an organizational direction from the Flyers right now. Seems like they're making moves just to make moves, rolling the dice and hoping they get a good number. And to be fair, there's a couple teams like that in the NHL right now, my Avs being perhaps worse off than Philly in some regards (except for cap issues).

You look at a team like the Senators. A few years ago they announced they were "rebuilding" and urged fans to stay patient and promised to stay the course even if it was painful. They shed payroll, got rid of just about every vet on the roster except for Alfie, Phillips, and Spezza, and dug in for the long haul. Look what it's done for them. They had an organizational purpose, they stuck with it, and now they're better than anyone ever thought they would be by this time. No one predicted the Sens to do what they've done the past couple seasons, and I don't think they're even close to their goal.

I just don't see that from a few teams in this league, the Flyers being one of them.

Roose13 07-08-2013 05:28 PM

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Honestly, heading into the 2012-13 season, the Flyers were looking to be in good shape. They have a pretty strong unit defensively when you look at them healthy

-Meszaros/L Schenn
-Timonen/Coburn
-Grossmann/Gustafsson (he should have been given a shot from day one)

Yes, that defense looked bad on paper, but the style of hockey the Flyers played should have balanced that out. Unfortunately, the guys weren't scoring -- sophomore slumps from their three big young guys, injuries to Hartnell/Briere, added pressure on Giroux in his first year as captain, especially when he never had a consistent line around him.

Looking at the team now, their defense is actually deep if it remains healthy. You have the same 6 guys I mentioned up top, added Streit who will give the Flyers at least two good years, and a guy like Oliver Lauridsen became the physical presence the Flyers lacked when Pronger took a stick to the face.

Then you have the top 6 forwards in Giroux, Voracek, Hartnell, B Schenn, Simmonds and Lecavalier. Behind that is a very strong third line with Couturier, Read and possibly Gagne (still a good chance Coburn/Meszaros is traded to allow them to sign Gagne). Players like Raffl, Laughton, Straka, Cousins, Noebels and Akeson are all gonna be competing to make the club (three of them were top 60 picks).

Then you get to goaltending. They finally have two reliable goalies, the first true 1-2 system they've had since Niitty and Biron were here. Emery is more mature and has rebounded while Mason has a change of scenery and clean slate in front of him. Both players are on one-year deals and will be fighting to win the starting job this season as well as a multi-year contract as the next starting goalie for the Flyers.

There a lot of positive variables on this roster heading into this season. If things honestly go the way I just wrote down now, this team will have a good season. Am I saying they'll win the Cup? Nah, let's see first how well this team does click. But they are far from being a lost organization, especially when they were a disaster last season.

And that is the most positive thing I've said about this team in a while, especially since I'm sick of Ed Snider.

bradshaw06 07-08-2013 05:40 PM

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Don't really know what the pens are doing. I mean, Scuderi is a nice player, but i wonder if he'll do well in the pens system, it isnt anything like LA. Dupuis, another guy that does great with the pens, got a contract that dollar wise is a steal, but term wise, probably two years too long. I wonder what will happen with him when the wheels start to go. I mean, he a great player, but when the playoffs roll around, teams focus on shutting down Crosby and Malkin, and Dupuis can't produce on his own. Adams, a great pker but not anything else was also brought back for 2 years. The pens honestly have the worst 4th line in the league at the moment. Really up against the cap now, i would have liked to see shero try and get younger. Instead of Scuds, let Depres play all year in a top 4 role, or even move Orpik/Niskanen for cap relief if Scuderi was absolutely necessary. Instead of Dupuis, let Bennett play with Crosby. As for Fleury and Bylsma...I don't think either should have been brought back. Vokoun in the playoffs proved that its not the system that allows Fleury to fail, Fleury is just a spazz.

the way its looking now:
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Jokinen-Malkin-Neal
Bennett-Sutter-Jeffrey
Glass-Adams-Vitale
Harry Z

that bottom 6 is really weak. Both physically and in terms of scoring.

Letang-Scuderi
Martin-Orpik
Niskanen-Despres
Engalland

Bron Yr Aur 07-08-2013 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705834)
AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.

Oh, he also got less money than Clarkson and Weiss, very similar numbers to Clowe, and will have a better season than all three next year. I guarantee it.

:lol No, his age is his reason for decline. He is well past his prime, and Tampa has been a high-scoring team so you really can't blame Boucher.

He might have a better season next year than any of those guys but he is much older than any of them and they signed him for 5 years with a NTC. There is no way this can work out well.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 06:36 PM

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Lecavalier has been on the decline in points every year since the end of the the 2007-2008 season (except one 3 point increase between years). While I think he can add a lot to this team, leadership wise, I am hesitant to say his offensive contributions will be worth the contract. Also, I am not sold on our defensive unit. I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but this is the Flyers and we all know how their seasons typically play out.

Roose13 07-08-2013 07:38 PM

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33 is not past his prime :lol:lol

Bron Yr Aur 07-08-2013 08:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14706317)
33 is not past his prime :lol:lol

Yes. Forwards' primes are usually ages 23-27. He's way past his prime.

swordo84 07-08-2013 08:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14706317)
33 is not past his prime :lol:lol

Yes, yes it is.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 08:39 PM

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His stats have declined, he can still perform, but not at the level you think he can or that can warrant his money, unless he surprises

Roose13 07-08-2013 08:45 PM

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I'm not saying he's gonna score 100 points but I would pay $4.5 million to a guy who can put up 70 points when there are guys making more and scoring less.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 08:47 PM

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He hasn't gotten 70 points since 09-10, though that is the last time he has played a full 82

Bron Yr Aur 07-08-2013 08:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14706493)
I'm not saying he's gonna score 100 points but I would pay $4.5 million to a guy who can put up 70 points when there are guys making more and scoring less.

He's missed about 15-20% of the last three seasons. So already you have to hope he can stay healthy. And the older you get, the tougher it is to be productive even if you are playing in all the games. I'll take the under on 70 points. Maybe 60.

It's not like people who are criticizing the deal think he will be a terrible player this year or next year. It's a shitty contract because you are guaranteeing $4.5m to an already-declining 33 yr old until he is 37.

lockman21 07-08-2013 09:16 PM

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Sorry John, have to 100% disagree with you here. You know I have much love and respect for you, but your coming off as a big time homer.

Emery was half good because he had arguably the best defensive corps in front of him all season (same goes for Crawford). In today's NHL, you don't need a Hasek or Roy...you need defenseman that can solidify the back end while simultaneously moving the puck up ice and through the neutral zone. The Flyers failed to address that, which was their biggest freakin need. This is a team that used both it's compliance buy outs already, and has 14 players signed next season (0 goaltenders) and only $12 million in cap space to fill out the rest of the roster! And even worse, there is almost 0 depth talent to bring up to fill up spots!

They want to win every year, I get that, but by signing Lecavalier they basically put the writing on the wall for an incredibly talented kid in Brayden Schenn to go elsewhere after this season. At some point, you have to abandon the "WIN NOW" mentality when it's just not there, and start saving cap space for the future. Maybe the signing of Lecavalier and Streit doesn't cripple them this season, but what about after that? The modern day NHL isn't about just "what's next year look like"? Every team has to have a 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plan at all times. The Flyers looking lost is mostly because of that. None of what they are doing makes sense long term or short term. Did they get much better next season? Not really. Swapped Briere for Lecavalier and Gustafsson with Streit, and replaced Bryz with Emery/Mason.

Blame the Flyers issues on a 48 game season all you want, but that team not only finished poorly, but looked AWFUL. I don't buy into this plan at all. At it's best, it's lipstick on a pig, and a dying pig at that. They keep feeding that dying, lipsticked pig as much old food as they possibly can without it exploding and hoping it can run a marathon.

That analogy is ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't buy what they're selling. Sure, maybe they'll contend this year a little bit, be more competitive...as long as Emery and Mason work out (which I doubt)...but their 3-ish year plan looks like absolute dog shit.

lockman21 07-08-2013 09:17 PM

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Oh God, John...if you're thinking Lecavalier is going to put up 70 points...you're in for a long, LONG season.

~Crashintome89~ 07-08-2013 11:32 PM

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Yeah Chris, he's actually going to put up a 100 point season.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 11:36 PM

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He did for me in NHL 12 :multi

DmBand801 07-08-2013 11:38 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705834)
AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.

Oh, he also got less money than Clarkson and Weiss, very similar numbers to Clowe, and will have a better season than all three next year. I guarantee it.

He probably will, but that's not fair/saying much; three different styles of play in comparison to Lecavalier.


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