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UCFish 02-16-2012 11:26 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Thank god

bonzo48280 02-16-2012 11:36 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
I would take a top 10 penalty kill and a 30th ranked PP over a top ranked PP and a bottom 10 PK. PK is what is important.

Roose13 02-16-2012 11:39 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
What a fun game to go to. LOLSabres.

DMBCubs25 02-16-2012 11:39 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Complete joke that it took coaches this long to figure out they needed to switch to a box. Triangle and one is dumbest PK system I have ever seen.

DMBCubs25 02-16-2012 11:48 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
How were last 2 periods, couldn't watch after first due to class.

Bron Yr Aur 02-17-2012 12:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13354607)
The Blackhawks had 0 giveaways, 9 takeaways, only allowed 12 shots through 2 periods in which they had a total of 14 penalty minutes, were 7 for 7 on the PK, and even after a total of 16 penalty minutes...still held the Rangers to only 2 goals. I have 0 complaints about the teams defense tonight. Little mistakes here and there are going to happen, if you aren't happy with their defensive play tonight, I honestly don't know what you expect out of them.

Sure, I was just pointing out that things haven't exactly changed overnight. Got scored on twice from the point against Nashville, again tonight. Still too soft defending those shots, to me, and I guess that's just Q's philosophy.

Yeah they played well, I'm happy. Not going to get super excited until they fully turn it around. Last 2 games definitely encouraging, 3 of the last 4 they've played pretty reasonably well. PK definitely looked pretty damn good but the Rangers' PP is terrible, too.

lockman21 02-17-2012 12:29 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 13354670)
How were last 2 periods, couldn't watch after first due to class.

Basically exactly what you think they were. :lol

monkeyman68 02-17-2012 12:37 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Two thoughts:

1). I wish I could have been a fly on the wall in the Flyers' dressing room after the first period....

2). Is Leino even in the NHL anymore?

lockman21 02-17-2012 12:42 AM

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Dude, Leino died........

monkeyman68 02-17-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13354805)
Dude, Leino died........

Yikes, sorry to hear that.

Is it true that Buffalo still has to pay his salary?

DynastyDrummer1 02-17-2012 01:01 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Glad to see that the Sabres are back to their normal selves....

DMBCubs25 02-17-2012 01:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13354735)
Sure, I was just pointing out that things haven't exactly changed overnight. Got scored on twice from the point against Nashville, again tonight. Still too soft defending those shots, to me, and I guess that's just Q's philosophy.

Yeah they played well, I'm happy. Not going to get super excited until they fully turn it around. Last 2 games definitely encouraging, 3 of the last 4 they've played pretty reasonably well. PK definitely looked pretty damn good but the Rangers' PP is terrible, too.

Exactly, they always tend to collapse back instead of agressively pursuing the D-man and its backfired on them countless times this year. It's a nice win and one that I don't think anyone expected. Big games this weekend though against a CBJ team that has played well of late and Blues are always a bitch to play against. 2-3 points is a must.

JRS1386 02-17-2012 07:04 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Hawks back on track to winning the cup now?

dmbetc 02-17-2012 07:49 AM

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What happened with the Rangers last night? Of course, I didn't get to watch it.

TMoore4075 02-17-2012 08:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13353856)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13353877)
Thank God. Way to be Stan.

Hey I just saw that kid play on Sunday against the Plymouth Whalers. Had a ok I'll do it whale of a game.

Roose13 02-17-2012 08:29 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Thanks Stan! Now the Flyers got a shot-blocking, penalty-killing defenseman.

kev87lads 02-17-2012 09:22 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13354607)
The Blackhawks had 0 giveaways, 9 takeaways, only allowed 12 shots through 2 periods in which they had a total of 14 penalty minutes, were 7 for 7 on the PK, and even after a total of 16 penalty minutes...still held the Rangers to only 2 goals. I have 0 complaints about the teams defense tonight. Little mistakes here and there are going to happen, if you aren't happy with their defensive play tonight, I honestly don't know what you expect out of them.



Obviously this is one of those "time will tell" deals, but unless they win the Cup, this was a bad deal (stating the obvious).

What? How do you figure? Grossman is someone the Flyers can re-sign if they want to and they didn't give up any proven assets. They gave up to draft picks that weren't even their own to begin with....

He's better than the 4-5-6 D-men the Flyers are throwing out there now....

TMoore4075 02-17-2012 09:24 AM

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I read this and found it funny:

Quote:

ďMy main goal is to help this organization,Ē Wisniewski said. ďThatís what I signed up for and thatís my only goal. I signed up long-term and thatís a commitment. We were terrible in Chicago when I played there, and then four years later they won the Stanley Cup. Itís all about getting the right draft picks and making the right signings that fit your team.Ē
yes there were terrible when YOU played there.They trade you away and they go to the WCF's and then win the Cup the following year.

lockman21 02-17-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 13355221)
What? How do you figure? Grossman is someone the Flyers can re-sign if they want to and they didn't give up any proven assets. They gave up to draft picks that weren't even their own to begin with....

He's better than the 4-5-6 D-men the Flyers are throwing out there now....

What? He's an UFA at the end of the year. The Flyers could have signed him this offseason regardless. They gave up a pretty significant pick in that 2nd rounder, and a 3rd. That's a lot to give up for a guy that becomes a UFA at the end of the year if they don't bring home the Cup.

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13355229)
I read this and found it funny:

yes there were terrible when YOU played there.They trade you away and they go to the WCF's and then win the Cup the following year.

:lol:lol

kev87lads 02-17-2012 09:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13355248)
What? He's an UFA at the end of the year. The Flyers could have signed him this offseason regardless. They gave up a pretty significant pick in that 2nd rounder, and a 3rd. That's a lot to give up for a guy that becomes a UFA at the end of the year if they don't bring home the Cup.



:lol:lol

I sort of see what you mean. But the Flyers have young depth already. They don't necessarily need those picks. Plus this gives them the window from late April (when their season will be over) to July 1 to get a deal done with him. The 3rd round pick, in my mind, was given partly to get the all important "negotiating rights". :)

I know we're only talking about Nicklas Grossman here, but he's a good pick up for this team. He is the defensive piece needed to help the dreadful PK and hopefully get the FLyers into the playoffs. Getting in is what matters, and he'll help.

TMoore4075 02-17-2012 09:40 AM

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Seems like a steep price for him. I don't know much about him cause other than when he plays the Wings you don't see Dallas a lot on tv. Makes me kinda wonder what the price of bigger name guys will be.

lockman21 02-17-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13355278)
Seems like a steep price for him. I don't know much about him cause other than when he plays the Wings you don't see Dallas a lot on tv. Makes me kinda wonder what the price of bigger name guys will be.

That's what I thought too. You can never have enough depth in your organization as far as young talent, so I don't understand the argument of having depth already. This clearly was a "win now" move.

dmbmuskie 02-17-2012 09:54 AM

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Going to games at the Xcel Center is surreal. It seems like the mix of fans is usually 70% Wild and 30% Visitor, and the Wild fans are unbelievably glad to have the visitors there.

fonzz41 02-17-2012 10:18 AM

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Perhaps an indication the Lightning are throwing in the towel and becoming sellers?

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/75...-bay-lightning

This, along with Kubina being held out last night, seem to be pretty sure signs.

A big fan of Dominic Moore. Underrated as a third-line defensive forward. Works incredibly hard.

lockman21 02-17-2012 10:23 AM

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I'm a fan of Moore too. Sharks are legit contenders.

fonzz41 02-17-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13355460)
I'm a fan of Moore too. Sharks are legit contenders.

:thumbsup He's definitely a guy you want on your team for an extended Cup run.

kev87lads 02-17-2012 10:28 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13355325)
That's what I thought too. You can never have enough depth in your organization as far as young talent, so I don't understand the argument of having depth already. This clearly was a "win now" move.

That's where we agree to disagree I guess. All in good talk of course. I don;t see this as a "win now" move at all. I see it as a guy who is better than what they have now and someone they feel they will sign to an extension. It's going to come down to whether the Flyers want Matt Carle or Grossman. Both UFAs.

kev87lads 02-17-2012 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13355460)
I'm a fan of Moore too. Sharks are legit contenders.

Agreed. Great trade for them. Caution that the Sharks are legit contenders every year though...

TMoore4075 02-17-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 13355489)
Agreed. Great trade for them. Caution that the Sharks are legit contenders every year though...

This ^^. As people have been saying on the networks they've been knocking on the door for a while, especially the last 2 years and can't get over the hump. I mean after they dispatched the Wings fast you thought they would give the Hawks a good battle in 2010...yeah not much.

I have to say I see both sides wide open. Bruins are the champs so you have to give them an edge in the East and the Rangers are playing well (last night not withstanding) but both could be beaten. In the West I don't sit here and say wow the Canucks are the best like I did last year. Wings are good but are beatable and the Sharks too. Could be a fun playoff...well always is but perhaps more so now.

fonzz41 02-17-2012 10:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13355547)
I have to say I see both sides wide open. Bruins are the champs so you have to give them an edge in the East and the Rangers are playing well (last night not withstanding) but both could be beaten. In the West I don't sit here and say wow the Canucks are the best like I did last year. Wings are good but are beatable and the Sharks too. Could be a fun playoff...well always is but perhaps more so now.

Thinking this very same thing. There aren't any unbeatable, march-to-the-Cup type teams this year. I think we could see some interesting rounds and maybe even some big time upsets.


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