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trd1610 05-10-2016 09:38 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
2015 NBA finals had an 11.6 rating.

The 2010 finals between LA and Boston averaged a 10.6 or 18.14 million viewers

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...united-states/

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 09:39 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Unless you are a fan of one of the better teams in the NBA, I don't know how you can get excited about those playoffs. So predictable. MLB can have upsets because a hot pitcher or two, or shitty pitching on the flip side of that. The NFL is one game so one bad game is all that matters and then the NHL is...the NHL. 1995 the Devils win as the 5th seed. 1996 the Panthers go to the finals as the 4th seed. 1997 the 7th seeded Oilers beat the Stars and in 98 beat the Avs. 1998 and 1999 the top 3 in the East are gone in round 1. 2000 8th seeded Sharks beat the Blues in round 1. 2002 Canes got to the Finals. Sure they were the 3rd seed based off winning the SE division but were the 16th ranked team out of the 16 playoff teams. 2003 Western Finals was the 6th and 7th seed. 2004 Flames were the 6th seed and should have won the Cup, Gelinas goal was in. 2006 8th seeded Oilers go the game 7 of the Finals and if Rollie is healthy maybe they pull it off. God I love it. Hate it when you are the high seed but going in knowing you have a shot as a lower seed....hell of a lot more fun than being happy if you win one game in the first round.

fonzz41 05-10-2016 09:42 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
While I do want to see the sport do well and grow both nationally and internationally, I don't think ratings are indicative of how good the product is. I could be the only person in the world that watched hockey and it would still be my favorite sport.

barbogast 05-10-2016 09:43 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
The nba does indeed suck

trd1610 05-10-2016 09:45 AM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worl...vision_ratings

2015 averaged an 8.7 or 14.7 million viewers

Sox in 04 averaged a 15.8 or 25.4 million viewers

Yankees in 01 had similar numbers, fractionally higher.

2011 Cards Rangers was the last time ratings cracked a 10

2012 Giants Tigers was a 7.6 an all time low

A drastic drop overall in national numbers though since the 90s. Which makes sense, baseball has become very regional over the years.

hailtopitt 05-10-2016 09:49 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407773)
2015 NBA finals had an 11.6 rating.

The 2010 finals between LA and Boston averaged a 10.6 or 18.14 million viewers

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...united-states/

Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407788)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worl...vision_ratings

2015 averaged an 8.7 or 14.7 million viewers

Sox in 04 averaged a 15.8 or 25.4 million viewers

Yankees in 01 had similar numbers, fractionally higher.

2011 Cards Rangers was the last time ratings cracked a 10

2012 Giants Tigers was a 7.6 an all time low

A drastic drop overall in national numbers though since the 90s. Which makes sense, baseball has become very regional over the years.

:confused

Dramageek 05-10-2016 09:50 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407773)
2015 NBA finals had an 11.6 rating.

The 2010 finals between LA and Boston averaged a 10.6 or 18.14 million viewers

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...united-states/


Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407788)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worl...vision_ratings

2015 averaged an 8.7 or 14.7 million viewers

Sox in 04 averaged a 15.8 or 25.4 million viewers

Yankees in 01 had similar numbers, fractionally higher.

2011 Cards Rangers was the last time ratings cracked a 10

2012 Giants Tigers was a 7.6 an all time low

A drastic drop overall in national numbers though since the 90s. Which makes sense, baseball has become very regional over the years.

Thanks for looking up those numbers. About what I expected. NBA was higher than I thought, but I guess that speaks to the popularity of the sport and LeBron. I know MLB has dropped recently, but it's still miles ahead of NHL ratings for its championship.


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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16407778)
While I do want to see the sport do well and grow both nationally and internationally, I don't think ratings are indicative of how good the product is. I could be the only person in the world that watched hockey and it would still be my favorite sport.

I agree wholeheartedly. The ratings are merely indicative that not as many people bother with hockey. Their loss, I say. They only miss out on a hell of a show.

Lcsulla 05-10-2016 09:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16407363)
If the Sharks lose now, it'll just be the same old Sharks. Too bad cause they sure seem different, even now. I think the NHL would prefer Sharks. They are probably scared for a Nashville/Lightning final.

Yeah, if the Sharks get knocked out and St. Louis does as well we are looking at a Dallas/Nashville conference final that will likely draw very low national ratings.

Then if you have either the Pens or the Caps knocked out by the Lightening we may be looking at the lowest rated SCF in history if it is Dallas or Nashville playing Tampa in the finals.

trd1610 05-10-2016 09:55 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16407794)
:confused



Someone asked to see the ratings of the most recent World Series and NBA finals. Not everything's always directed at you Hail

Lcsulla 05-10-2016 09:57 AM

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Also considering their is not a single Canadian team that made the playoffs, the Kings are already out, the Wings are done, the Rangers are out and all the people who would cheer for or against Chicago will not help much. This could be a television ratings disaster for the NHL. Truthfully, if the Caps and Sharks get knocked out I will still keep watching but will not really care who wins.

hailtopitt 05-10-2016 09:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407806)
Someone asked to see the ratings of the most recent World Series and NBA finals.

i know

i'm confused about the random years chosen to be cited

trd1610 05-10-2016 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16407771)
you said that not only Tampa, but California teams, Nashville, Dallas etc etc that those markets are doing well



but they aren't...that's my point



Do you not think that the LA kings market has grown in recent years? Has Nashville not grown more fans than they had 10 years ago? Has Dallas or Tampa? The answer is absolutely yes. 3 of those franchises were only founded in the 90's, I don't expect them to have the support an original six would. But I think things are improving. And in Tampa especially.

trd1610 05-10-2016 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16407812)
i know



i'm confused about the random years chosen to be cited



2015 the most recent year. The article only provided that 2010 stat and it was between arguably the two most popular franchises in the sports.

For baseball 2015 again, 04 sox and 01 Yankees were two high outliers in the past 16 years, again the two most popular teams. And then 2012 is the all time low, 2011 the last time it was above a 10. If you look back into the 90s every series was up in or around the 20s. I just thought it was interesting information to share.

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 10:07 AM

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Doug Houda is one of the Wings new assistants. Reading the press release it says this "However, because the Bruins missed the Stanley Cup playoffs for a second successive season somebody had to take the fall and that guy was Houda, the only coach relieved of his duties two days after the regular season ended."

LOL. The team isn't very good because of cap issues so we fire one of our assistants and only one of them..... Good job Bruins.

Lcsulla 05-10-2016 10:09 AM

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I think if they go through with expansion they should raise the cap a bit.

Dramageek 05-10-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16407826)
I think if they go through with expansion they should raise the cap a bit.

Agreed. You'd think the $500 million expansion fee would aid that decision.

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 10:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16407826)
I think if they go through with expansion they should raise the cap a bit.

The only way it happens is after Vegas's first year in the league. In theory Vegas would add to the overall league revenue being a new team and most likely doing well in tickets sold at first.

Lcsulla 05-10-2016 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16407774)
Unless you are a fan of one of the better teams in the NBA, I don't know how you can get excited about those playoffs.

Yeah, NBA is really the only sport where one or two players can dominate a series. Yeah, a #1 starter can shut down an offense in an MLB game but they only pitch every 4 days so their impact on a 7 game series is generally limited to 2 games.

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 10:15 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 16407834)
Agreed. You'd think the $500 million expansion fee would aid that decision.

It won't from what I understand. It just goes to the owners and is not included in "Hockey Related Revenue."

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 10:16 AM

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Interesting read on expansion and the cap.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Jared...king/215/69857

Dramageek 05-10-2016 10:18 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16407845)
It won't from what I understand. It just goes to the owners and is not included in "Hockey Related Revenue."

Fascinating. Well then, yes, Vegas (or whatever city/cities get a team) would have to do its job to increase revenue.

Lcsulla 05-10-2016 10:23 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 16407834)
Agreed. You'd think the $500 million expansion fee would aid that decision.

Yeah, even if they upped the cap by say 5 mil per team that comes to 155 mil total if you include an expansion team in that (31x5=155) it means the league and owners still have the lions share of that fee, 345 mil to be exact.

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 10:29 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
For a resident Isles fan, looks like Hamonic has rescinded his trade request. But hey if he wants to come to Detroit and the Isles want Jimmy Howard I have on complaints for that... please.

hailtopitt 05-10-2016 10:33 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407815)
Do you not think that the LA kings market has grown in recent years? Has Nashville not grown more fans than they had 10 years ago? Has Dallas or Tampa? The answer is absolutely yes. 3 of those franchises were only founded in the 90's, I don't expect them to have the support an original six would. But I think things are improving. And in Tampa especially.

to the bolded: nope, not really. LA is 7th in attendance which is good, but are 26th in local TV ratings...it's a basketball/baseball town

and Tampa is tied for 9th in attendance which is also decent considering its a Florida team, but no one else you listed is even close to that high on the list

Dallas & Nashville are both 15th (tied) in attendance and both perform poorly, relatively speaking, in their local TV markets

improvement doesn't necessarily mean sustainable growth

trd1610 05-10-2016 10:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16407875)
and Tampa is tied for 9th in attendance which is also decent considering its a Florida team, but no one else you listed is even close to that high on the list


Yeah 9th isn't too bad for a Florida team. I wonder where Pittsburgh and Washington are on that list. Oh 12th and 13th, cool.

Improvement doesn't mean sustained success but it has to start somewhere no? And I didn't say LA wasn't a basketball/baseball/tons of other shit type city. But their hockey fan base has absolutely grown. The same could be said for Dallas though to a lesser extent with the attendance. The NHL will never be popular in comparison to other sports, just look at those NBA and MLB ratings. That's not an argument I was making.

I just think some markets have shown recent growth and potential.

hailtopitt 05-10-2016 10:44 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407891)
Yeah 9th isn't too bad for a Florida team. I wonder where Pittsburgh and Washington are on that list. Oh 12th and 13th cool.

:lol no

the Penguins are 6th in attendance (424 consecutive sellouts) and #1 in local TV ratings (although some outlets have them at #2 with Buffalo passing them. conflicting reports)

the Penguins will most likely break the NHL sellout steak record (487;Avalanche 1995-2006) early in the 2018 season (64 more sellouts to break)

fonzz41 05-10-2016 10:46 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16407867)
For a resident Isles fan, looks like Hamonic has rescinded his trade request. But hey if he wants to come to Detroit and the Isles want Jimmy Howard I have on complaints for that... please.

I'll arm wrestle ya for him.

hailtopitt 05-10-2016 10:46 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trd1610 (Post 16407891)
I just think some markets have shown recent growth and potential.

of course, but potential doesnt mean much

the NHL saw potential in Carolina and Phoenix too...

TMoore4075 05-10-2016 10:48 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16407913)
of course, but potential doesnt mean much

the NHL saw potential in Carolina and Phoenix too...

Let's not forget Atlanta too....and not the Flames. Hahah Atlanta Flames.

hailtopitt 05-10-2016 10:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16407918)
Let's not forget Atlanta too....and not the Flames. Hahah Atlanta Flames.

:lol exactly


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