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dduncan6er 06-29-2011 06:49 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731487)
The league wouldn't be dumb enough to lockout, but the CBA will change drastically.

If the league locks out there will be a lot of fans who will be done with hockey for good. Which is pretty terrible because the league is putting a great product out there now.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by schreiber89 (Post 12731476)
What? :BANG

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731487)
The league wouldn't be dumb enough to lockout, but the CBA will change drastically.

The small market teams are getting raped. To get the CBA more level, which they want to do, there will have to be a player salary rollback again and I'm not sure how easy that will be. I understand the floor. It made sense when the cap was 39, 44 or even $50mil. Now it's getting stupid. It's great for my team and it's great for the other big market teams or teams with young talent that needs to get paid. But FLA, PHX, NYI and teams like that that are either rebuilding or can't afford it it hurts them even more. Phoenix lost $40mil last year I think and the floor was in the low 40's what's it gonna do now when this team most likely doesn't make the playoffs this season?

To make sure there isn't a lockout, there is going to need to be a lot of creativity by both the NHL and NHLPA. I hope it doesn't happen. But as someone I was reading pointed out. Last time it was the owners vs the players. Now it will be large market owners vs small market owners.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 06:54 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 12731511)
If the league locks out there will be a lot of fans who will be done with hockey for good. Which is pretty terrible because the league is putting a great product out there now.

Yeah I agree with this 100%. The first lockout was good becasue the league was a mess. They came back with good rules changes and it seemed re-energized. Another lockout now though would kill all the momentum

fonzz41 06-29-2011 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 12731130)
Let's see....Bieksa played 55 and 66 games in the past two seasons, is a couple years older, who is no more than a solid 2nd-pair guy. He's got some grit and toughness, more than Ehrhoff.

Ehrhoff is much, much more of an offensive threat, and he's a pretty solid first-pairing guy. VAN would've been much better off to give Ehrhoff his money and let Bieksa go. #1/2 d-men get $5m+ in this market, with this cap. I mean, Brent Seabrook got $5.8m per from the Hawks during the season.

Bieksa is not a number one d-man, but he's very good. When it comes to defensemen, you have to look at more than just their stats to judge their effectiveness, and Bieksa is no exception. He plays with a lot of grit, a lot of sandpaper, and he showed in the playoffs this year he can chip in offensively. He plays with a lot of passion, so much that he crosses the line, but I love seeing that in a hockey player. A great leader, I would've loved to see the Avs get a shot at him July 1.

Now Erhoff is a bit of a different story. I don't always see the same passion from him as I do from Bieksa, but he makes up for that in pure talent. IMO, he was the Canucks best d-man in the playoffs, delivering thundering hits, playing responsibly, and moving the puck well. He will make some money July 1, maybe more than he would command normally because of a combination of a)strong playoff outing, b) the cap floor, and c) the shallowness of the FA pool this season
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12731339)
I agree BUT most likely he's going to test the market anyways. He would be stupid not too. Who knows what is coming with the CBA expiring you have to see whats out there.

Yep, for the three reasons quoted above.
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12731470)
Kopecky got 4 years and $3mil per. LOL!!!!! Well there's gonna be a lockout next year. I can't blame FLA for doing this. They have to get to the floor which is higher than what the cap was in both the first and second year of the new cba.

This is truly a great year to be a FA

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by schreiber89 (Post 12731530)
Yeah I agree with this 100%. The first lockout was good becasue the league was a mess. They came back with good rules changes and it seemed re-energized. Another lockout now though would kill all the momentum

The league still is a mess. Yeah the game is better in a lot of ways but the reason they locked out was for financial reasons. Player salaries were getting out of control (they are higher now) and the gap between large market and small market was massive and it still is today. The Panthers need to spend I think $22mil more just to hit the floor.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12731551)
The league still is a mess. Yeah the game is better in a lot of ways but the reason they locked out was for financial reasons. Player salaries were getting out of control (they are higher now) and the gap between large market and small market was massive and it still is today. The Panthers need to spend I think $22mil more just to hit the floor.

Won't the new TV deal help this at all?

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by schreiber89 (Post 12731561)
Won't the new TV deal help this at all?

Not enough from what I have read. If you break it down it's $6-7mil a year per team. The Coyotes would have lost $34mil instead of $40mil.

The things is the CBA didn't do anything that the NHL said it would. Control player salaries? Not quite. Level the playing field? Yes in terms of keeping the payrolls close but if you are playing in front of half empty buildings. Lower ticket prices? That was a lie like the "Coyotes aren't on life support" statement. Salaries don't dictate prices, the market does. Red Wings tickets prices never went down. They stayed the same from a 70mil payroll in 04 to a 39mil payroll in 06.

A year ago I didn't think it would happen but with 7 teams $10mil or more under the floor, and a handful closer to $15-20mil under that's a problem. Do we get rid of the floor? Maybe it's finally time to talk contraction.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 07:16 AM

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If Dale Tallon was trying to reach the floor, he would not have sent us Olesz's contract which if you use the Player Ability/salary ratio, is worse than Campbell's. Dale Tallon has an idea to make a team down there, and he is going to overpay to make it happen because he can.

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 07:20 AM

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I think we're definitely headed for labor issues. I'm not sure how to fix the issues either.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731595)
If Dale Tallon was trying to reach the floor, he would not have sent us Olesz's contract which if you use the Player Ability/salary ratio, is worse than Campbell's. Dale Tallon has an idea to make a team down there, and he is going to overpay to make it happen because he can.

He gained $4mil in that deal still though. Currently he'll need to sign 10 players at just over $2mil each to hit just the floor.
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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12731611)
I think we're definitely headed for labor issues. I'm not sure how to fix the issues either.

Me neither.

Here's an interesting read:http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/...ts-nhl-market/

I said back when this started in 04/05 a hard cap of $50mil would have been good. The larger markets would been ok at that time and the floor would have been in the 30's which would have been ok. Also funny that everyone was concerned what would happen if the cap went down. 6 years later we're almost $30mil higher.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 07:28 AM

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eliminate the cap floor. Boom. I'll be sending in my application for GM to the NHL later today

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731640)
eliminate the cap floor. Boom. I'll be sending in my application for GM to the NHL later today

Then we truly lost the 04-05 season for nothing. Move PHX to Southern Ontario, FLA to QC. That will help eliminate a few weak teams right now.

MacGuyver 06-29-2011 07:34 AM

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I think with Tallon there are signing bonuses or reward bonuses which count against the cap. Ergo, i think the way it works anyway, is that I sign you for a base salary of 1 million, but there is a potential of another 4 million if you hit contractual milestones, eg 30 goals, 30 assists, 80 GP, etc.

apparently if contracts are written that way, the cap hit includes the bonus, even if the bonuses are not hit and you don't have to pay the player. ie, if the player does not hit the milestones above, they get paid 1 mill, the team saves 4 mill, but the cap is 5 mill.

I think I heard this from Burkie on the radio a few days ago.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGuyver (Post 12731668)
I think with Tallon there are signing bonuses or reward bonuses which count against the cap. Ergo, i think the way it works anyway, is that I sign you for a base salary of 1 million, but there is a potential of another 4 million if you hit contractual milestones, eg 30 goals, 30 assists, 80 GP, etc.

apparently if contracts are written that way, the cap hit includes the bonus, even if the bonuses are not hit and you don't have to pay the player. ie, if the player does not hit the milestones above, they get paid 1 mill, the team saves 4 mill, but the cap is 5 mill.

I think I heard this from Burkie on the radio a few days ago.

Yeah bonuses are tricky and that sounds familiar. When you read the CBA you can tell lawyers put it together. Makes no sense.

Also FYI, Jagr is on his way to the US as we speak. His flight is into NYC.

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 07:36 AM

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I know southern hockey is Bettman's hill to die on, but can the NHL disband teams for basically any reason? I'd write off or find northern homes for basically all the Sun Belt teams. I know those markets matter when it comes time to negotiate TV and marketing deals, but they're an albatross on the league.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12731653)
Then we truly lost the 04-05 season for nothing. Move PHX to Southern Ontario, FLA to QC. That will help eliminate a few weak teams right now.

the hope is that Bettman can get his head out of his ass and move failing teams.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 07:38 AM

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maybe they don't move shitty teams, they just disband them and the league gets smaller??

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731686)
maybe they don't move shitty teams, they just disband them and the league gets smaller??

It would make realignment easier.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 07:41 AM

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That's really the answer I think - smaller league size. It places less of a premium and demand on the best players which would lower salaries

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731686)
maybe they don't move shitty teams, they just disband them and the league gets smaller??

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12731695)
It would make realignment easier.

The problem is the NHLPA. They aren't just going to say oh yeah you can eliminate our members jobs. I think we'd be better off even at 28 teams would be better but it won't happen.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 07:43 AM

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do you eliminate 2 or 4 teams then? and who?

Phoenix? Florida? Tampa (lost $20-25 mil last year)? Columbus (sorry schreiber)?

dduncan6er 06-29-2011 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731712)
do you eliminate 2 or 4 teams then? and who?

Phoenix? Florida? Tampa (lost $20-25 mil last year)? Columbus (sorry schreiber)?

Phoenix and Florida would be the first 2 gone if it was up to me.

~Crashintome89~ 06-29-2011 07:51 AM

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Let's talk about how the Flyers are going to get Stamkos.

Boom. Roasted.

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12731760)
Let's talk about how the Flyers are going to get Stamkos.

Boom. Roasted.

They'll overpay for him in his 30s. Amirite?

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731712)
do you eliminate 2 or 4 teams then? and who?

Phoenix? Florida? Tampa (lost $20-25 mil last year)? Columbus (sorry schreiber)?

:lol it's alright - I have to admit they'd be on the short list of teams to go. Hopefully this Carter trade improves things for them next year

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12731712)
do you eliminate 2 or 4 teams then? and who?

Phoenix? Florida? Tampa (lost $20-25 mil last year)? Columbus (sorry schreiber)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 12731730)
Phoenix and Florida would be the first 2 gone if it was up to me.

I get rid of two. Move Phoenix or FLA to QC. That would be good for league revenue. Then you cut the one you didn't move and probably the Jackets. Tampa has shown in the past people can show up. But I can see the reason to getting rid of Tampa Bay since you wouldn't have anyone close to them with Atlanta and FLA leaving.

West:
Vancouver
SJ
LA
Anaheim
Dallas
Edmonton
Calgary
Winnipeg
St Louis
Minny
Colorado
Nashville
Chicago
Detroit

East:
Boston
Ott
QC
Mont
TO
Buf
NYI
NYR
NJD
Phil
Pitt
Car.
TBL
Wash

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 07:56 AM

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I'd hate to see the Jackets go.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12731760)
Let's talk about how the Flyers traded away their entire team to sign an unproven goalie to a monster contract.

Boom. Roasted.

Fixed this for you :lol

<3 you!!!

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12731788)
I'd hate to see the Jackets go.

I think they could work but if contraction was really on the table they would be on the list. With Atlanta now gone they'd be in the top 4 probably.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 08:17 AM

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The Jackets either need to re-work the lease deal with Nationwide or get an NBA team to move to Columbus and split it with them.

They also need to get better

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by schreiber89 (Post 12731898)
The Jackets either need to re-work the lease deal with Nationwide or get an NBA team to move to Columbus and split it with them.

They also need to get better

I hope the NBA stays away and they can just get the lease taken care of and winning. Winning will cure most of their problems. Playing to 72% capacity or whatever it was last year just isn't good enough. Winning should help that. They need to have a good year and follow it up with a good year next year. I think it hurt them to follow up 09 with what happened in 09-10.

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 08:28 AM

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They need to play in the East. It's impossible to build fan interest when half your games start at 9PM or later.

~Crashintome89~ 06-29-2011 08:34 AM

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Anyone who calls Bryzgalov unproven is just jealous. He'll be fine in the playoffs. Guy has more wins in the regular season in the past two years than anyone, with maybe the exception of Ryan Miller.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12731933)
They need to play in the East. It's impossible to build fan interest when half your games start at 9PM or later.

Doesn't matter if you don't compete. If they finished 13, 15, 15, 14, 13, 11, 13, 7, 14 and 13 in the East like they did in the West it wouldn't have changed anything.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12731933)
They need to play in the East. It's impossible to build fan interest when half your games start at 9PM or later.

This is true too - you need to have dedicated fans to pull that off like a Detroit has. A casual CBJ fan ins't staying up until 2AM to watch a game agains San Jose

fonzz41 06-29-2011 08:54 AM

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Now that the Drury buy-out has been confirmed, I'm interested to see if he gets picked up by someone.

He's a shadow of the player he was when he started with the Avs, but you're not going to find a guy who gives more every shift than Drury. This style of play is what (I believe) has lead to the crap-load of injuries he's sustained over the past couple years, but it's also made him one of the most inspiring leaders in today's NHL.

He would be a great fit playing for a young team on the 3rd or 4th line, taking faceoffs and killing penalties. And I guarantee his asking price will be lower than $1 million/year... well, maybe I don't guarantee with this year's FA's (i.e. Kopecky's contract).

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 12732034)
Now that the Drury buy-out has been confirmed, I'm interested to see if he gets picked up by someone.

He's a shadow of the player he was when he started with the Avs, but you're not going to find a guy who gives more every shift than Drury. This style of play is what (I believe) has lead to the crap-load of injuries he's sustained over the past couple years, but it's also made him one of the most inspiring leaders in today's NHL.

He would be a great fit playing for a young team on the 3rd or 4th line, taking faceoffs and killing penalties. And I guarantee his asking price will be lower than $1 million/year... well, maybe I don't guarantee with this year's FA's (i.e. Kopecky's contract).

If the Wings can't keep Eaves and or Miller I'd take a chance on him for a year. The Avs downfall started when he was traded.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 09:00 AM

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Chris Drury is one my favorite players of all time. I started watching him at BU

kev87lads 06-29-2011 09:07 AM

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Would love the Flyers to take a flyer on Drury.

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 09:10 AM

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I really cannot believe that Jagr might be back in Pittsburgh today, but I won't be heartbroken if he ends up somewhere else.

What I really hate is that if he does sign elsewhere, the Yinzers are going to vilify him all over again.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 09:11 AM

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I said it weeks ago that I would love Chris Drury.

MacGuyver 06-29-2011 09:12 AM

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guys, contraction just isn't going to happen. quick name me the last team to be contracted. right. there is no answer. dude is right, the NHLPA would never allow it.

I can see Drury in Pitts for the third line.

bradshaw06 06-29-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12732101)
I really cannot believe that Jagr might be back in Pittsburgh today, but I won't be heartbroken if he ends up somewhere else.

What I really hate is that if he does sign elsewhere, the Yinzers are going to vilify him all over again.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...agrwatch_3.gif

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12732197)

Amazing.

MDrums54 06-29-2011 09:47 AM

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friend of mine who works at the skate zone here in voorhees (where the flyers practice) said the talk around the facility is an attempt to move carle/hartnell/bob in an attempt to make enough space to sign.......steve stamkos

apparently, those are the three names homer is considering, but whether or not they actually make the move is yet to be decided on.

personally, i hate scott hartnell so i would be fucking thrilled to see this happen, but we absolutely cannot afford to get rid of carle when pronger is 40 and timmonen isnt very far behind. also, i think its necessary to keep bob as a backup and continue his development - if nothing else, he'll be worth something to someone else.

JRS1386 06-29-2011 09:53 AM

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Drums with the knowledge it must be fact.

joepsu0985 06-29-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MDrums54 (Post 12732244)
friend of mine who works at the skate zone here in voorhees (where the flyers practice) said the talk around the facility is an attempt to move carle/hartnell/bob in an attempt to make enough space to sign.......steve stamkos

apparently, those are the three names homer is considering, but whether or not they actually make the move is yet to be decided on.

personally, i hate scott hartnell so i would be fucking thrilled to see this happen, but we absolutely cannot afford to get rid of carle when pronger is 40 and timmonen isnt very far behind. also, i think its necessary to keep bob as a backup and continue his development - if nothing else, he'll be worth something to someone else.

Do the Flyers even have the picks to give Tampa?

MDrums54 06-29-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 12732275)
Drums with the knowledge it must be fact.

not really, but this kid also said the carter deal was more or less finalized two days before it happened, and that "someone else" was on the way out too (he said everyone knew another deal was coming but nobody knew it was richards).

so take it as you will - im just sharing what i was told - accurate or not.

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Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12732324)
Do the Flyers even have the picks to give Tampa?

that's what i was wondering, and im pretty sure the answer is no, unless we can give picks from another year in advance.

also though, we could trade hartnell for the picks necessary to get stamkos. that would make the most sense - hartnell gets paid far too much anyway.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 10:05 AM

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Varlamov is heading to the KHL

fonzz41 06-29-2011 10:05 AM

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The only way I can see Stamkos going is if some team made an offer TB simply couldn't match, like a one-year deal worth $12 million or something. I just don't see it happening.

joepsu0985 06-29-2011 10:06 AM

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Too many ifs there. You can start pawning off guys to get one, but you are going to gut your roster, and fill it in with what?

bradshaw06 06-29-2011 10:09 AM

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For what its worth, from Russia

'Jaromir Jagr signed with " Pittsburgh "and return to the club, which played 11 seasons and won two Stanley Cups. 39-year-old Czech has decided to leave Omsk " Vanguard "and next season will earn about $ 1.4 million.

Jaromir Jagr 10 years later returned to the " Pittsburgh Pingvingz "by signing a contract with the NHL club for one season. According to Sportbox , officially will be announced on Friday, when the North American league free agent market opens. Approximate Salary 39-year old striker in the camp of the " penguin "will make $ 1.4 million.'

If true, that is a steal at 1.4.

~Crashintome89~ 06-29-2011 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12732346)
Too many ifs there. You can start pawning off guys to get one, but you are going to gut your roster, and fill it in with what?

40-year-old Russians who have been out of the league for two or three years.

bradshaw06 06-29-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MDrums54 (Post 12732329)


that's what i was wondering, and im pretty sure the answer is no, unless we can give picks from another year in advance.

also though, we could trade hartnell for the picks necessary to get stamkos. that would make the most sense - hartnell gets paid far too much anyway.

Only thing is it has to be the teams original picks, so they wouldnt be able to go and get a 1st and use that one. regardless, i think philly has their next 4 1sts.

bradshaw06 06-29-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 12732371)
40-year-old Russians who have been out of the league for two or three years.

lol, the flyers dont sign russians. :rolleyes

MDrums54 06-29-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12732346)
Too many ifs there. You can start pawning off guys to get one, but you are going to gut your roster, and fill it in with what?

well, they get rid of carter, hartnell, and richards who were C, LW, C

then you acquire stamkos, voracek, schenn, simmonds, and coutierier who are C, LW, C, LW, C.

so your two centers (richards and carter) are now replaced by schenn and stamoks, your winger in hartnell is replaced by voracek, simmonds plays where an opening fills up, and coutierier plays in the AHL for a year or two to develop.

its a hell of a pain in the ass, but were already 80% done

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12732386)
lol, the flyers dont sign russians. :rolleyes

zherdev and bryz ftw!

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 10:14 AM

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Pengvinz

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12732368)
For what its worth, from Russia

'Jaromir Jagr signed with " Pittsburgh "and return to the club, which played 11 seasons and won two Stanley Cups. 39-year-old Czech has decided to leave Omsk " Vanguard "and next season will earn about $ 1.4 million.

Jaromir Jagr 10 years later returned to the " Pittsburgh Pingvingz "by signing a contract with the NHL club for one season. According to Sportbox , officially will be announced on Friday, when the North American league free agent market opens. Approximate Salary 39-year old striker in the camp of the " penguin "will make $ 1.4 million.'

If true, that is a steal at 1.4.

They are an entire day ahead of us

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie (Post 12732398)
Pengvinz

:lol I've been in Pittsbvrgh enough for work that I think I know what you're getting at

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 10:21 AM

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the only thing Philly could do that would be dumber than trading Carter and Richards, is to trade away the rest of the team to hope they can get Stamkos. If they didn't get him, they would be beyond fucked.

fonzz41 06-29-2011 10:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12732368)
For what its worth, from Russia

'Jaromir Jagr signed with " Pittsburgh "and return to the club, which played 11 seasons and won two Stanley Cups. 39-year-old Czech has decided to leave Omsk " Vanguard "and next season will earn about $ 1.4 million.

Jaromir Jagr 10 years later returned to the " Pittsburgh Pingvingz "by signing a contract with the NHL club for one season. According to Sportbox , officially will be announced on Friday, when the North American league free agent market opens. Approximate Salary 39-year old striker in the camp of the " penguin "will make $ 1.4 million.'

If true, that is a steal at 1.4.

I would love to see him in a Pens sweater again. It's all just speculation, but if Malkin comes back strong I can see them playing well together.

I don't think $1.4 for a year is too much of a steal... I know he's a Pens legend but he's 39 and been out of the league for a few years.

bradshaw06 06-29-2011 10:23 AM

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I got to think there is no way tbl doesnt match any offer given to Stamkos.

MDrums54 06-29-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12732441)
the only thing Philly could do that would be dumber than trading Carter and Richards, is to trade away the rest of the team to hope they can get Stamkos. If they didn't get him, they would be beyond fucked.

well like i had said before, the carter trade was a fantastic one for the flyers.

i still dont agree with the richards deal, but that has to pan out for a year or two before it can be fairly judged.

...but yea - if we traded hartnell to clear cap and get picks nad then couldnt sign stamkos, wed be fucked.

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 12732460)
I got to think there is no way tbl doesnt match any offer given to Stamkos.

i think this as well. i cant see why tampa wouldnt match anything

~Crashintome89~ 06-29-2011 10:56 AM

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Something has to be up for Tampa not to have Stamkos signed by now.

fonzz41 06-29-2011 10:58 AM

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Perhaps the Flyers do just need to trade everyone on the roster except OMGCG. All these lowlife human hockey players are only holding him back.

DMBCubs25 06-29-2011 10:59 AM

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Would love to see the Hawks drop an offer sheet on TJ Oshie

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 11:53 AM

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Wisniewski to Columbus for a 7th round pick, 5th round if they sign him.

here's a tweet: Ok #Flyers fans, I'm told that if the Flyers decide to give Stamkos an offer sheet it's for $115 mil over 12 years with a full no-trade.

That's a cap hit of about $9.5

Maple Leafs, Canadiens, Penguins, Blackhawks, Hurricanes, Avalanche, Bruins, Rangers and Kings all interested in Ville Leino

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 11:58 AM

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$9.5mil is matched imo.

MacGuyver 06-29-2011 12:05 PM

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tampa would be crazy not to match that. i mean trade st louis, trade malone and a 1st rounder to say the leafs for nothing to clear the cap space to keep stammer.

there is no chance stammer is leaving TB, unless he is pissed at TB or something.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 12:06 PM

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle2079334/

Maybe the big market owners will finally be like "Listen Gary, we're doing good now. If certain teams can't cut it then it's time to move them someplace where they can." Illitch caved once, will he do it again? I don't think so.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 12:07 PM

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And Wisniewski's right traded to the Jackets. Good for them trying to get him but my guess is he tries the market. Again would be dumb not to.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 12:43 PM

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Yo Jagr, you landed 30 minutes ago. We're all waiting.

Rollie re-signs in Tampa. 1 year $3mil.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 12:46 PM

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ugh, the more i think about it the more that i think Richards could come here. I hate that thought

EDIT: I hate it because I don't think it will happen and I don't want to get my hopes up. Obviously I want Brad Richards

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 12:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12732990)
And Wisniewski's right traded to the Jackets. Good for them trying to get him but my guess is he tries the market. Again would be dumb not to.

I hope they can - they should make him an offer he can't refuse. They have the money to spend

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 12:49 PM

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Columbus may be better than St. Louis next year!

MacGuyver 06-29-2011 12:49 PM

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they have the money to spend?? didn't they lose like 30 million last year??

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 12:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by schreiber89 (Post 12733189)
I hope they can - they should make him an offer he can't refuse. They have the money to spend

Gonna put a horses head in his bed? Creepy way to say we want you here.

Also Kariya supposedly retiring. Sad day I always liked him.

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Originally Posted by MacGuyver (Post 12733193)
they have the money to spend?? didn't they lose like 30 million last year??

Touche

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGuyver (Post 12733193)
they have the money to spend?? didn't they lose like 30 million last year??

Well it's a vicious cycle. You have to spend money in sports to make money. Im talking about cap room - if they put a good product on the ice this is more than a big enough market to support them

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12733192)
Columbus may be better than St. Louis next year!

Don't forget Chicago too

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by schreiber89 (Post 12733206)
Don't forget Chicago too

come on now....

esa008 06-29-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 12732034)
Now that the Drury buy-out has been confirmed, I'm interested to see if he gets picked up by someone.

He's a shadow of the player he was when he started with the Avs, but you're not going to find a guy who gives more every shift than Drury. This style of play is what (I believe) has lead to the crap-load of injuries he's sustained over the past couple years, but it's also made him one of the most inspiring leaders in today's NHL.

He would be a great fit playing for a young team on the 3rd or 4th line, taking faceoffs and killing penalties. And I guarantee his asking price will be lower than $1 million/year... well, maybe I don't guarantee with this year's FA's (i.e. Kopecky's contract).

As much as I loved Drury with the Avs (he was such a pure goal scorer come playoff time) I think it would be a step in the wrong direction. A physical presence on the wing is needed but there needs to be some offensive firepower as well.

Keeping David Jones is a good step but Colorado needs someone like, oh, Chris Stewart. I was happy to see Jones finally break out of his shell but he needs to play his size. I'm hoping we see a breakout season from Galiardi, since there's a lack of top 6 forwards who can score and be matched with Duchene and Stastny.

Without any qualifying offers to Budaj and Elliott, I've heard rumors of an offer being presented to Vokoun. I also heard a rumor that Jovanovski could sign with the Avs, presumably to further the development of Erik Johnson.

wampa3 06-29-2011 01:13 PM

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It was just reported by an airline employee that Jagr has just boarded a plane to Pittsburgh from JFK. Curiouser and curiouser...

Could be bullshit though

fonzz41 06-29-2011 01:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by esa008 (Post 12733213)
As much as I loved Drury with the Avs (he was such a pure goal scorer come playoff time) I think it would be a step in the wrong direction. A physical presence on the wing is needed but there needs to be some offensive firepower as well.

Keeping David Jones is a good step but Colorado needs someone like, oh, Chris Stewart. I was happy to see Jones finally break out of his shell but he needs to play his size. I'm hoping we see a breakout season from Galiardi, since there's a lack of top 6 forwards who can score and be matched with Duchene and Stastny.

Without any qualifying offers to Budaj and Elliott, I've heard rumors of an offer being presented to Vokoun. I also heard a rumor that Jovanovski could sign with the Avs, presumably to further the development of Erik Johnson.

You'll notice I never mentioned me wanting him to come back to the Avs... ;) I think McClement basically fills the role that Drury would be signed for.

They will definitely make a push for Vokoun I think. Not ideal because of his age, but the FA pool is pretty shallow. They could also take a chance on a youngster like Josh Harding and have him split time with Budaj... but that gives me ulcers just thinking about Raycroft/Budaj part 2.

I really was hoping we could make a pitch for someone like Bieksa, as a hard-working blueliner who could play on the top 2 pairings would be great developmentally for our young blueliners, particularly Johnson. Jovo would be a good fit if he doesn't re-sign with Phoenix (and rumor has it he wants to test the waters).

EDIT: Ray Emery should get a long look from the Avs as well. He looked really good for the Ducks, and if he can get into shape he's still got something left in the tank. His asking price will still be pretty low as well.

fonzz41 06-29-2011 01:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 12732990)
And Wisniewski's right traded to the Jackets. Good for them trying to get him but my guess is he tries the market. Again would be dumb not to.

Anybody would almost be dumb not to this season. Go for the big payday that will result from the slim pickin's :thumbsup

fonzz41 06-29-2011 01:24 PM

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Todd Marchant retiring and joining Ducks' front office:

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=6716693

dmbmuskie 06-29-2011 02:27 PM

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I firmly believe Jagr will be a Penguin tomorrow. Everyone in the Pittsburgh media sounds way to confident that he's coming for them not have been tipped off.

DMBCubs25 06-29-2011 02:58 PM

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Erhoff offered 5 mil from NYI but declined. Could see him ending up in Detroit.

bonzo48280 06-29-2011 03:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 12733625)
Erhoff offered 5 mil from NYI but declined. Could see him ending up in Detroit.

Islanders are shopping him now, they want their pick back. They're dumb.

DMBCubs25 06-29-2011 03:27 PM

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Nabokov 2.0

fonzz41 06-29-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12733652)
Islanders are shopping him now, they want their pick back. They're dumb.

Why? They took a chance, it didn't work out, and they're trying to save face a bit. Will they be able to? Maybe not, but at least they made a go at it.

TMoore4075 06-29-2011 04:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 12733652)
Islanders are shopping him now, they want their pick back. They're dumb.

I agree I think it was dumb. You had to know he'd want the market after Kopecky got $3mil. It would be dumb not to in this market. And while I'm sure he'll want good money sorry the Isles are not a destination right now
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Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 12733625)
Erhoff offered 5 mil from NYI but declined. Could see him ending up in Detroit.

I'd prefer Wiz honestly but I could see him here. We'll know by Friday evening where those two are I think. They won't last long.

DMBCubs25 06-29-2011 04:40 PM

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Sounds like Wiz will sign with CBJ

joepsu0985 06-29-2011 04:44 PM

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Garth Snow has to hate life on the Island. No one wants to play for that franchise.

flyer3468 06-29-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by joepsu0985 (Post 12733904)
Garth Snow has to hate life on the Island. No one wants to play for that franchise.

Can you blame them? That arena could crumble to pieces at any minute

Giant Jew 06-29-2011 05:35 PM

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Sabres acquire the rights to Erhoff, what a difference from years past this off-season has been for the Sabres.

Rebecca De Mornay 06-29-2011 05:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Jew (Post 12734068)
Sabres acquire the rights to Erhoff, what a difference from years past this off-season is for the Sabres

Nice!! Hopefully they can sign him

DMBCubs25 06-29-2011 05:36 PM

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^^Pegula making some nice moves. Would be nice to see the Sabres get back to being at the top of the NHL

dduncan6er 06-29-2011 05:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Jew (Post 12734068)
Sabres acquire the rights to Erhoff, what a difference from years past this off-season has been for the Sabres.

I find it hard to believe he'll sign there before Friday unless they throw a ridiculous amount of money at him.

Giant Jew 06-29-2011 05:39 PM

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Miller probably has a huge smile on his face right now. The Sabres defense could be downright nasty next year if they can sign Erhoff

Bron Yr Aur 06-29-2011 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Jew (Post 12734084)
Miller probably has a huge smile on his face right now. The Sabres defense could be downright nasty next year if they can sign Erhoff

This....I would not bet on.


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