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dmbetc 05-14-2014 10:46 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Hey Lucic, you mad brah?

http://youtu.be/Y3DEoIKhoZM

dmbetc 05-14-2014 10:51 PM

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Kings trolling at its best:

http://i.imgur.com/KKuBQ6z.jpg

JRS1386 05-15-2014 03:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyh24 (Post 15328491)
Pretty successful year overall. Hoping for a parade.

:slowclap

barbogast 05-15-2014 04:14 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Milan Lucic always brings the classy

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 05:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15328578)
Dreger saying Lucic has some threatening comments towards some of the Habs in the handshake line.


I know people hate him, but Pk makes for a great interview.

Fucking douche bag.
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15328786)
Lucic is a bastard. Even Backes had class and he almost died.

This, exactly this. Backes gets leveled, misses time, the guy who hit him gets suspended, they talk in the handshake line and it's no big deal. Lucic loses a series, I'm going to kill you, or whatever he said.
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15329067)
Milan Lucic always brings the classy

Again...douche.

Rebecca De Mornay 05-15-2014 05:56 AM

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:lol stay classy Bruins.

with the pens and bruins eliminated on back to back nights this thread can go back to somewhat normal.

YouNeverKnow25 05-15-2014 05:58 AM

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So the way I read the CBA buyout rules the penguins have 2 use-them-or-lose-them compliance buyouts this summer? Letang and Neal?

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 (Post 15329157)
So the way I read the CBA buyout rules the penguins have 2 use-them-or-lose-them compliance buyouts this summer? Letang and Neal?

Yes they should still have two (each team got two to use and could use them last summer or this summer) and it won't count against the cap. They won't use them on either of those two. Either one of them could still get you something in a trade if they wanted to dump them. Sure Letang has a huge salary but you think he wouldn't have gotten that on the market this summer anyway? Someone would give a nice package of picks and prospects to get an offense minded right handed dman. Same goes for Neal, he's a douche but he's a douche that scored 27 goals in 59 games. Most teams would take douche who is a 40 goal scorer. Wings fans keep asking the same about Franzen. Sure he's crazy inconsistent but he can still get you 25 goals for less than $4mil per year. You want to just let him walk, pay him for that, and then score against you? No. Scuderi? That's someone you use it on. No one will want him.

rickyh24 05-15-2014 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15329153)
:lol stay classy Bruins.



with the pens and bruins eliminated on back to back nights this thread can go back to somewhat normal.


I will miss you whining about thread quality. Good thing for you bruins fans are loyal and don't add teams. :)

Rebecca De Mornay 05-15-2014 06:06 AM

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buy out scuderi and crosby

YouNeverKnow25 05-15-2014 06:07 AM

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I don't think anyone is taking on letang's salary after his health issues this year.

Also, the fact that he would have gotten the contract he signed on the free market doesn't exactly speak to value, actually argues in favor of the contract having value.

rickyh24 05-15-2014 06:11 AM

Marchand, chara and krecji for Crosby.

jrkarger 05-15-2014 06:14 AM

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All of our bad guys for all of their good guys.

rickyh24 05-15-2014 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15328911)
http://youtu.be/PUOkhoDbUho

Brad Marchand is literally worse than Hitler.


Literally worse than a guy who tried to make the Jews extinct?

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 (Post 15329187)
I don't think anyone is taking on letang's salary after his health issues this year.

Also, the fact that he would have gotten the contract he signed on the free market doesn't exactly speak to value, actually argues in favor of the contract having value.

That's what physicals are for. The other team's doctors would give him all kinds of tests, and if he's clear, take him on. Here's what happen if they buy him out.

"Kris Letang is 27 years old on the buyout date of June 15, 2014, setting the buyout ratio at 2/3 and the total buyout cost at $38,666,667 spread over 16 years. His contract was originally valued at $58,000,000 beginning in 2014 and ending in 2022, with $58,000,000 remaining from the buyout year forward...."

That's a cap hit of 2.5mil for the next 16 years, on top of the $38mil you paid him to not play for you. On top of that he is cleared to play (has been playing anyways) and some team, lets say the Flyers or Red Wings, sign him to a cheaper contract than that and the Pens have to play him 3-5 times a year and maybe in the playoffs. Sure he make a lot of money, but if he's healthy enough to play he's great for you, and if you still feel you need to get rid of him, then someone will give you something for him and you aren't paying him $38mil to do it.

YouNeverKnow25 05-15-2014 06:17 AM

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No cap hit on the compliance buyouts left over from the CBA

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 (Post 15329209)
No cap hit on the compliance buyouts left over from the CBA

Sorry you're right, I forgot about that, and just did the buyout on capgeek.com. Still $38mil to go play against you? I don't see it happening. Teams would be lining up to give him a physical and sign him as soon as he passed.

Rebecca De Mornay 05-15-2014 06:22 AM

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man it is no fun having a lawyer in here.

YouNeverKnow25 05-15-2014 06:24 AM

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I definitely agree that they should attempt to trade him first, no doubt about that. But if they can't trade him, I think they have to buy him out; the depth issues they have are too severe to have 7 mil tied up for as long as it is with letang on anybody not named crosby or malkin.

~Crashintome89~ 05-15-2014 06:25 AM

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:lol :lol :lol

Milan Lucic. Can't wait to see his ugly face in Dumb and Dumber.

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:25 AM

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I'll put it this say, Nathan Horton got 7 years and 37mil with more injury issues (granted not a seizure) than Letang. You think someone wouldn't want to sign him if he passed a physical?

Rebecca De Mornay 05-15-2014 06:26 AM

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speaking of guys that should be traded, malkin.

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 (Post 15329226)
I definitely agree that they should attempt to trade him first, no doubt about that. But if they can't trade him, I think they have to buy him out; the depth issues they have are too severe to have 7 mil tied up for as long as it is with letang on anybody not named crosby or malkin.

I think they deal with it. Hard to replace a guy like him and again I don't want to spend $38mil to have him walk. Get rid of Scuderi and try to trade Fleury (someone would give him a chance at $5mil a one year) and then sign a cheaper veteran goalie. That's over 8mil saved and with MAF trade you get something in return.

YouNeverKnow25 05-15-2014 06:28 AM

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I don't think the question "would another team sign this player?" is really part of the consideration that goes into deciding whether to buy a player out. I think it's pretty well established that the guy is going to sign somewhere else.

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 (Post 15329243)
I don't think the question "would another team sign this player?" is really part of the consideration that goes into deciding whether to buy a player out. I think it's pretty well established that the guy is going to sign somewhere else.

I think it's part of it. You want to pay him $38mil to go play for the Flyers? I think someone would trade him for him as long as he passes a physical, which I'm guessing he would since he's been playing. Maybe you have to take some money back but it would still be less than $38mil and you get something in return from wherever you trade him, and you have a say of where he goes.

Rebecca De Mornay 05-15-2014 06:32 AM

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look at the money the flyers just gave MacDonald.

Someone would absolutely trade for Letang. Maybe even the Wings.

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15329256)
look at the money the flyers just gave MacDonald.

Someone would absolutely trade for Letang. Maybe even the Wings.

If he's healthy, I'd take him. Not the greatest defensively but good enough and would help out offensively on the back end which they need. Plus they have $19 mil in cap space. Now what does it cost in terms of assets to get him? That's another thing. Tatar, Sheehan, Nyquist are all off limits, and probably Jurco as well. But you do have to give to get so...

pathetic 05-15-2014 06:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15328521)
Nice, would rather play the Habs!!

both of your teams might play the habs

TMoore4075 05-15-2014 06:46 AM

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So go Rangers....I guess. I still hate MSL though man but more than the Habs? Tough call.

bradshaw06 05-15-2014 06:50 AM

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They wouldnt buyout neal or letang. They could get something for both of them. Scuds can't be compliance bought out. Fleury is the best option for it, but that wont happen.


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