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zellea21 02-25-2021 04:18 PM

Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
So I have been having this debate for a while on if you really can bring Boyd back in to the fold assuming everybody got back on the same page..

The simple facr for me is every time I see or hear him I sort of reminded about his situation...yes he seattled out of court....and you never say never but I dont know...

Im hoping to have a civil conversation here on this...

HonestDenver1 02-25-2021 04:23 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zellea21 (Post 17904063)
So I have been having this debate for a while on if you really can bring Boyd back in to the fold assuming everybody got back on the same page..

The simple facr for me is every time I see or hear him I sort of reminded about his situation...yes he seattled out of court....and you never say never but I dont know...

Im hoping to have a civil conversation here on this...

The band is against pedophilia, unwanted touching, molestation, drugs and oh ya raping dudes.. Since the band is all dudes it's definitely a fear of theirs and I think they were worried about it on stage. No one ever turned their back to Boyd if you ever notice.

HonestDenver1 02-25-2021 04:28 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zellea21 (Post 17904063)
So I have been having this debate for a while on if you really can bring Boyd back in to the fold assuming everybody got back on the same page..

The simple facr for me is every time I see or hear him I sort of reminded about his situation...yes he seattled out of court....and you never say never but I dont know...

Im hoping to have a civil conversation here on this...

Who were you debating with? Do non Dmb fans know about it? What are their thoughts? Is it really a #metoo issue? Or do you think the band wanted boyd out of the band so bad they paid this guy to accuse him of this knowing it wouldn't go anywhere, but no one would argue because Boyd is so weird. #socksarestinky and the band was tired of losing all their socks and blaming their maids for stealing them.

Carter wakes up and calls Dave and says "Yo Dave, did you steal my sock again? i only have 3 left and none of them match"

And Dave goes " Yo Carter. Weird. I have your socks here but they are all soiled and mine are gone"

Stefan knocks on Jeff Coffins door with a handful of mismatched socks. Jeff opens it barefoot and asks Stefan why he stole eveyone's socks again..

Stefan has to defend himself and Jeff doesn't believe him...

This caused a lot of in fighting until Boyd fessed up. At which point the band decided to come up a scheme to get him out of the way so everyone could keep their socks.

If you notice the band is much happier now because they don't have to buy new socks every day or play in shoes with no socks because that sucks and makes your shoes stink really quickly.

I think it's for the best Boyd stay away.

Scootlebug 02-25-2021 04:30 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Pedophilia.....really? Read the court documents and I don't recall that term ever being used. Using his power to take emotional and physical advantage of people.....yes. Addicted to drugs.....yes.

HonestDenver1 02-25-2021 04:34 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootlebug (Post 17904075)
Pedophilia.....really? Read the court documents and I don't recall that term ever being used. Using his power to take emotional and physical advantage of people.....yes. Addicted to drugs.....yes.

I'm not going to read the fucking court documents. It's a fucking joke with a bit of truth mixed in. He was accused of it before this case btw.

scottpr 02-25-2021 04:56 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Plus, it's another reason you don't even replace with another violinist. Any one they would have hired would be compared to Boyd, for better or worse. That then would also bring up the history of that situation. The more space you can get away from that, the better.

ToySoldier#34 02-25-2021 05:01 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Why would they make a bad PR move while making the band worse?

Cscottrun 02-25-2021 05:35 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scottpr (Post 17904095)
Plus, it's another reason you don't even replace with another violinist. Any one they would have hired would be compared to Boyd, for better or worse. That then would also bring up the history of that situation. The more space you can get away from that, the better.

Ehh, you would know, obviously, but after some time, I think you can get away from that. It's no secret how important the violin is to this band. They would not be the first successful band to replace a member accused of something with a subsequent member that plays the same instrument. To think that they would rather just forego the instrument and sound all together because they are trying to distance themselves from someone who has already been removed from the band is a bit of overkill if you ask me.

Useliteski 02-25-2021 05:39 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
"addicted to drugs" :lol the dude smoked weed and vaped.

ToySoldier#34 02-25-2021 05:46 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
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Originally Posted by Useliteski (Post 17904161)
"addicted to drugs" :lol the dude smoked weed and vaped.


Have you seen the post-DMB videos where he can barely stand while "performing" on stage?

BTBaboon 02-25-2021 06:50 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Useliteski (Post 17904161)
"addicted to drugs" :lol the dude smoked weed and vaped.

I think heís on...other things. Really hope he gets help. The path heís on really doesnít lead to a good end.

To the core of this question - you canít bring him back because A) the bad PR and B) the bad quality of musicianship. ToySoldier has it 100% right.

Now, should they bring on a new violinist? Absolutely.

davetripping02 02-25-2021 07:45 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Boyd kissed dave at a concert, dont think dave liked that

Sniper15 02-25-2021 07:57 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
I think people overestimate the extent to which the lawsuit against Boyd was a mainstream story. Compared to 99% of the #metoo accusations this story got literally no traction whatsoever. There are still people attending DMB shows regularly who have no idea what happened to Boyd or who think Boyd is now playing the keys. If Boyd was brought back, there wouldn't be any major PR shitstorm since DMB isn't a mainstream act anymore and Boyd's accusations were relatively tame compared to those that have been levied at others (e.g. Marilyn Manson, Ryan Adams, etc.)

Most causal fans would be ecstatic for Boyd to come back and don't give a shit that some dude accused Boyd of being a creep. Hell, most of DMB's most passionate fans would still attend DMB shows even if Dave got a bunch of serious #metoo accusations hurled at him. If Boyd gets his shit together, eventually Cap$haw is going to play the "DMB set to tour for first time in 10 years with founding member Boyd Tinsley on violin!" card to move some tickets and generate some buzz for a tour. It won't happen anytime soon but you'd be a fool to think Boyd will never be on stage with DMB again.

mthawk07 02-25-2021 09:23 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
You can't bring Boyd back because he plays the violin with the skill level of a 5 year old. He's awful. I wish they'd bring in a skilled violin player to replace him, but that's their call.

ToySoldier#34 02-25-2021 09:29 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper15 (Post 17904275)
It won't happen anytime soon but you'd be a fool to think Boyd will never be on stage with DMB again.


Well there's about a 99.9% chance he won't so ...

Sniper15 02-25-2021 10:30 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
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Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34 (Post 17904336)
Well there's about a 99.9% chance he won't so ...

He'll definitely be there for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction. Dave even said as much in an interview awhile back.

Slackdoodle 02-28-2021 04:34 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1 (Post 17904068)
Since the band is all dudes it's definitely a fear of theirs and I think they were worried about it on stage. No one ever turned their back to Boyd if you ever notice.


Thanks, I needed a good laugh. :lol Believe this or not, but grown adults secure in their sexuality are not this paranoid. Methinks you're projecting a bit much here.

Bearclaw_ 02-28-2021 06:13 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1 (Post 17904068)
The band is against pedophilia, unwanted touching, molestation, drugs and oh ya raping dudes.. Since the band is all dudes it's definitely a fear of theirs and I think they were worried about it on stage. No one ever turned their back to Boyd if you ever notice.

WTF is this. :lol

YankeesDMB41 02-28-2021 06:49 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
I was wondering why no one addressed that absolutely absurd statement :lol. I assumed he was kidding and didn't want to come off as an assole.

RSSR 02-28-2021 07:28 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Boyd didn’t care to grow as a musician, I’m all for bringing back a violinist, but someone who can hold his own with the talent on stage. Boyd’s solos don’t sound all that different in any given year. It would be different if he composed and wrote songs with Dave, but he didn’t do that either.

RSSR 02-28-2021 07:35 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper15 (Post 17904382)
He'll definitely be there for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction. Dave even said as much in an interview awhile back.

I predict this moment will probably be the last time heís on stage with DMB.

The guy made enough where he could go on tour with a violin instructor with an impressive resume teaching the instrument but Boyd didnít care to do that. Dave hired Raab as an example.

6ixtynin9 02-28-2021 10:09 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
hey zellea21, what are ur thoughts on bringing back Butch Taylor?
Maybe you can molotov cocktail another [board] sincere discussion (without ever contributing) again ya triflin' pyro?

6ixtynin9 02-28-2021 10:13 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RSSR (Post 17905969)
I predict this moment will probably be the last time heís on stage with DMB.

The guy made enough where he could go on tour with a violin instructor with an impressive resume teaching the instrument but Boyd didnít care to do that. Dave hired Raab as an example.

this!

Srsly must've been the most over-paid sessions player throughout the history of the recording industry?

Cptn. Monkeyman 02-28-2021 10:24 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Boyd wasn't THAT bad. He's not the most technically proficient to say the least, but his style fit perfectly with this band, especially in the early days. His issue? Tuning. So many shows where he was wildly out of tune and he didn't seem to care.

DaveHead77 02-28-2021 11:13 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackdoodle (Post 17905871)
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. :lol Believe this or not, but grown adults secure in their sexuality are not this paranoid. Methinks you're projecting a bit much here.

Iím pretty sure HonestDenver is trolling the thread....or heís willfully misinformed since he even admitted heís never read nor cares to read those court documents. I wish he would vanish too bc he comes off as a huge homophobe.

ToySoldier#34 02-28-2021 11:43 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveHead77 (Post 17906091)
Iím pretty sure HonestDenver is trolling the thread....or heís willfully misinformed since he even admitted heís never read nor cares to read those court documents. I wish he would vanish too bc he comes off as a huge homophobe.


He trolled the Covid thread laughing at people who want to get the vaccine

Scootlebug 03-01-2021 08:46 AM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Also the pedophile comment. Boyd has never been accused of this and I know people close to the band.

Dodo36 03-01-2021 09:56 AM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scottpr (Post 17904095)
Plus, it's another reason you don't even replace with another violinist. Any one they would have hired would be compared to Boyd, for better or worse. That then would also bring up the history of that situation. The more space you can get away from that, the better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cscottrun (Post 17904150)
Ehh, you would know, obviously, but after some time, I think you can get away from that. It's no secret how important the violin is to this band. They would not be the first successful band to replace a member accused of something with a subsequent member that plays the same instrument. To think that they would rather just forego the instrument and sound all together because they are trying to distance themselves from someone who has already been removed from the band is a bit of overkill if you ask me.

The way anything gets covered in the press, it absolutely would bring Boyd back into the conversation. It was mainstream for a hot second, and then everyone moved on. But it's the type of thing that would become an awkward blurb in the conversation thanks to outlets like TMZ and CNN's constant need to break up actually covering the news-worthy events of the world with non-news distractions. Nobody ever brings up settled out of court or an 180 turn in those situations. They don't care about the retraction or resolution, just that there was friction.

Anytime you read a Prince article now they feel obligated to point out that he died of an overdose. While true technically, the aside that it gets treated as makes it seem that he had a serious drug problem instead of being given a bottle of medication that was not what was on the label. The way it is treated is always like, "Prince was an addict that OD'd" instead of "Prince died of a doctor-prescribed drug for chronic joint pain due to years of performance related injuries that seems to have been unknowingly switched." Both are right, but the one that's more right doesn't allow you to move on with the conversation without clarifying.

I can see the Rolling Stone blurb now...
"After several years without, Dave Matthews Band has a new violinist. Blah Blah yadda yadda brings back sh-boom sh-boom to the higgidy figgidy etc... Blah Blah fills the void left by the group's original violinist, Boyd Tinsley, who left the band in 2018 due to mounting allegations of rape and drug use."

(Sadly, that says about as much as Rolling Stone would in reality.)

kelchlsm 03-01-2021 10:21 AM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
I guess this is a discussion board so naturally things are going to be discussed (go figure!)

But I can’t believe this is still being discussed. Boyd isn’t coming back period.

Dave loves the new sound too much it seems to have another violinist.

Time to move on from that chapter

swordo84 03-01-2021 11:45 AM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mthawk07 (Post 17904328)
You can't bring Boyd back because he plays the violin with the skill level of a 5 year old. He's awful. I wish they'd bring in a skilled violin player to replace him, but that's their call.

This is the correct reply.

Kuhlmonque 03-01-2021 02:27 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1 (Post 17904068)
The band is against pedophilia, unwanted touching, molestation, drugs and oh ya raping dudes.. Since the band is all dudes it's definitely a fear of theirs and I think they were worried about it on stage. No one ever turned their back to Boyd if you ever notice.

Except for every publicity photo and poster where Boyd is always BEHIND everyone. THEY KNEW THE WHOLE TIME! And Paul is dead.

HonestDenver1 03-01-2021 02:32 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mthawk07 (Post 17904328)
You can't bring Boyd back because he plays the violin with the skill level of a 5 year old. He's awful. I wish they'd bring in a skilled violin player to replace him, but that's their call.

So you didn't like the band until 2018? Why would you be a fan of a musician who plays like a 5 year old for so long that you wished he have been replaced long ago?

HonestDenver1 03-01-2021 02:38 PM

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I didn’t know we were defending him now.. wow how things changed... I’m not a homophobe. Sorry if you don’t get a sense of humor on a thread about a guy who stole men’s socks and jerked off with them. If you can’t laugh at that you’re dead inside... the band did not come rushing to his side to defend him nor pretend he didn’t do theses things.. don’t you think of you’re friends with someone for 30 years you’d at least be on his side for awhile unless you know they’re true? Dave won’t even talk about with any details so to spare Boyd further embarrassment and possibly more fuel to the fire...

Also here’s an article of Boyd being accuse of “massive addiction to pedophilia” first page of google.. I didn’t make it up assholes. It’s unlikely true but he was accused of it..

https://m.styleweekly.com/richmond/f...nt?oid=2184119

“Among other things, Rothenberg accuses Tinsley of having a “pedophilic sex addiction” and creating “a wonderland he currently calls ‘Narnia’” in pursuit of “potential sexual conquests.” The lawsuit also accuses Tinsley of retaliating against people who “attempted to leave his cult of personality,” leaving them “emotionally and psychologically wrecked.”

zellea21 03-01-2021 03:18 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6ixtynin9 (Post 17906057)
hey zellea21, what are ur thoughts on bringing back Butch Taylor?
Maybe you can molotov cocktail another [board] sincere discussion (without ever contributing) again ya triflin' pyro?

Sigh..I love people who love throwing insults...im here just because im not commenting.. does not mean I am not paying attention.. I guess they are right silnece drives people crazy..

I met Butch back at the old Giants stadium when working for Live nation helping witht he live earth concert...

Butch and Buddy two different type of players.. Butch left because road life was too much for him and his family he needed a break...

Like Buddy a lot more...

To chime in a little more about Boyd... I can not help but think his departure had more to do then his leagl situation.. I think it is a mix of other things.. i wish him well.. but DMB does not want the PR hit ... I think he will hit the satge at the HOF when it happens but that will be it

TimHonks 03-01-2021 03:22 PM

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There are several examples of him completely zoned out on stage and other people having to do his job for him. The legal troubles gave the band the opportunity to do what I'm sure they have been hoping to do for years. He isn't coming back. Even if he took this opportunity to get sober and better himself I'd still have my doubts, but it appears he has gone in the opposite direction and is even more in need of help now than ever before.

HonestDenver1 03-01-2021 03:34 PM

Re: Why You Can't Bring Boyd Back...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zellea21 (Post 17906382)
Sigh..I love people who love throwing insults...im here just because im not commenting.. does not mean I am not paying attention.. I guess they are right silnece drives people crazy..

I met Butch back at the old Giants stadium when working for Live nation helping witht he live earth concert...

Butch and Buddy two different type of players.. Butch left because road life was too much for him and his family he needed a break...

Like Buddy a lot more...

To chime in a little more about Boyd... I can not help but think his departure had more to do then his leagl situation.. I think it is a mix of other things.. i wish him well.. but DMB does not want the PR hit ... I think he will hit the satge at the HOF when it happens but that will be it

Yes to all these. Buddy brings an energy that Butch didn't have... Butch was an incredible jazz piano player.. But I got tired of the two step jams he did.. TIRED OF TWO STEP! It just would bring the whole energy down and it dragged on and on very repetitively...

Buddy has a fresh perspective to the music. And he's been given a pretty big green light and license by the band to explore...

Boyd was done. He should have left on his own after 2011... I loved his music very much and in fact WHY I got into the band in the first place.. But he didn't give a shit after Roi passed. I think the rough years really effected him.. He likely wanted out or felt left out after the 05-07 rough patch... Whatever happened with the rest of the band getting energized, Boyd was not a part of it. Even before Roi passed... He wasn't engaged in the pre Big Whiskey Sessions much... I think once Roi passed he just wanted out... They were such a complimentary duo, I think he knew no one could really replace that as Roi would weave in so much into what Boyd was doing.. essentially making them both sound better...

Jeff wasn't able to capture that unfortunately.. As good of a player as he is and his ability to channel Roi's licks early on is pretty special, but he's not listening to Boyd and being a co part to that... He was very much focused on trying to just fill the sax part..

Boyd was out on his own from then out and it was noticeable.. I think that's a big reason why he started sounding worse.. No Roi to help cover him up anymore... And once Tim joined and took over a lot of solos that Roi/Boyd might have filled in on... He became the token player on songs like LIOG and Ants and would just fade away on the rest of it...


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