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Brohan_Santana 03-19-2019 09:09 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Lightning need to win 8 of their last 9 to break 95-96 Wings most wins of a season & Canadiens points in a season

jcc522 03-19-2019 10:04 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Wasnít pretty but irs a win


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Lcsulla 03-19-2019 10:36 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17401779)
And what I'm saying is exactly that: Check out the stats, but don't just rely on that alone. Watch them too. If you know the game, you'll then know whether they are a benefit to their team or not.

How are PK Subban's possession stats? He'd be an example of someone who looks good on paper but then you watch him and you're like, "uhhhh...." But admittedly, I have no idea about that kind of thing.

This, exactly. Subban looks solid on paper but is a mediocre at best d man. Contrast that with a guy like Nik Hjarlmasson - he puts up squat on the score sheet but he shuts down the best players in the game and knows exactly what do do with the puck when he gets it. Subban is a one hit wonder, he can shoot, that's about all he is good at.

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Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17401794)
We have people here who think Ovi is playing defense.:lol

He just went from not playing D at all to kinda caring about it. He may make an effort now but he's still not good at it.

This is sort of harsh and I am not even a Caps fan, he has made large improvements on D, he backchecks, he can gum up a rush at the blue line, wins board battles, block shots and when his team gets the puck back he is up the ice damn quick to create odd man rushes that they often capitalize on.

Thing is D is not his role, he is a goal producing machine who has improved his D notably.

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17401814)
I guess I would ask what your definition of "good" is and compare that to the role he's being asked to play. A winger's primary job in the defensive zone (I'm sure you already know this and I'm not trying to sound condescending) is to cover the points, correct? Only in necessary instances do they come down further than the face-off dots. The purpose of this is to, of course, get in front of/prevent point shots, but it is also to facilitate a quick break-out and transition to offense. The defense can't get the puck out effectively if there's no one to get the puck up to. In addition, your top line's wingers are asked to be even more ready to break out; more so than a checking line's wingers. In that sense, Ovi - to my eye test - is doing what he's tasked with doing as a top line winger. He covers his point (which he never used to do), he blocks shots, he comes down low when he has to, and he's got his ass on the boards ready for the break-out pass when he needs to be. He messes up sometimes, he gets lazy sometimes, but that's hockey.

This, plus like Kane he is smart when covering the blue line guys and can see when his team gets the puck and he flies up the ice to create chances.

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Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17401977)
I didn't know that computer rankings, goals above replacement and wins above replacement would set you guys into meltdown mode. If computer rankings cause you to get flustered that is a you problem, not a me problem. I'm good.

No one is melting down, we are simply pointing out that a player cannot be measured purely by some advanced stats.

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Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17401983)
I've watched Ovi for years and he is just no good at defense. Plus he doesn't have the softest of hands and is maybe just an average passer. Don't seem to really set up people. He is an awesome goal scorer though. He would be so much better if he was just an average defender. There is a reason with all his goals that his plus minus is 400 less than Gretzky.

I have watched him his whole career and can state categorically that his D has improved quite a bit. Not a passer? Come on, the Caps PP runs through him. Lastly comparing anyone to Gretzky is absurd - imagine Ovie on a team with Messier, Anderson, Kurri, McSorely, Fuhr and no damn salary cap. He would have far more goals, points, assists and a better plus minus.

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Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17402058)
I would just say this, playing offense is easy. Playing defense takes work and energy.

This.

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17402060)
As a defenseman myself, I agree with half that statement.

Ditto!

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 17402407)
Didn't know Wayne Gretzky, who literally has some of the most untouchable stats in sports history, is the bar for any player to be considered great.

Please, don't stop. This is so much fun.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17402698)
Ovi is on Wayne's level. Ovi is one of the greatest scorers of all time and has probably the best wrist shot of all time.

IMO Mike Bossy is the best goal scorer in history but he got his career ended at age 30 after having scored a whopping 573 goals, 553 assists, 1,126 points in just 752 games not to mention the fact that in all those games he only served 38 penalty minutes. as for wrist shots, Ovie has a solid one but it pales to guys like Crosby or Kane.

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17402713)
Hoh boy. When talking about high level of play at both ends of the ice, Crosby is definitely one of the top two-way players in the game. Easy.

Agreed again, I think him, Bergeron and Toews are the best 2 way guys in the business currently.

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 17402956)
Lightning need to win 8 of their last 9 to break 95-96 Wings most wins of a season & Canadiens points in a season

You know they will be gunning for it and if they do maybe that momentum carries over into the postseason and they can avoid their usual collapse in big games.

Brohan_Santana 03-19-2019 11:14 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Caps visiting the White House next Monday. All players attending except for DSP (no longer on the team) and Connolly standing in solidarity with DSP not going if he had the chance

Said Swedish center Nicklas Backstrom: ďIt will be fun. Itís exciting, I think, and every time you get an invitation from the president and being at the White House, itís going to be a great experience. ... I feel like itís always up to whoever wants to go, but we got the invitation, and itís been a tradition, I think, for many years. Weíre not going to mix politics with sports.Ē

barbogast 03-20-2019 09:36 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 17403006)
Caps visiting the White House next Monday. All players attending except for DSP (no longer on the team) and Connolly standing in solidarity with DSP not going if he had the chance

Said Swedish center Nicklas Backstrom: “It will be fun. It’s exciting, I think, and every time you get an invitation from the president and being at the White House, it’s going to be a great experience. ... I feel like it’s always up to whoever wants to go, but we got the invitation, and it’s been a tradition, I think, for many years. We’re not going to mix politics with sports.”

Honestly my take on this is that what I like most about this team is I truly believe the players that don’t want to go support those who do and those who do want to go support those who don’t. A lot of these guys aren’t American, and that’s different from the other pro leagues, and it’s worth taking into consideration. The idea of the White House is probably a pretty cool thing to these guys from Sweden and the Czech Republic. I do feel like the team is trying to minimize this and hopefully still deflect any negativity that can come from it. No matter how you feel about the guy, I think it’s fair to say that controversy follows trump around and I don’t really want a lot of controversy attached my first Stanley Cup championship. I’m behind anyone that wants to go or doesn’t and I hope it’s pretty much left at that.

aeroshady 03-20-2019 10:26 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Canes and Pens game last night was amazing to watch. One of the best games I have watched in while. I would love to see these bunch of jerks make a run this year. Definitely rooting for them with the Rangers sitting this year out.

jcc522 03-20-2019 12:59 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 17403205)
Canes and Pens game last night was amazing to watch. One of the best games I have watched in while. I would love to see these bunch of jerks make a run this year. Definitely rooting for them with the Rangers sitting this year out.



I was down low on the corner of the Canes shoot twice zone and it was sick!

Brohan_Santana 03-20-2019 08:18 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Caps/Lightning game is lit - I could do this series again this year

barbogast 03-20-2019 08:21 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 17404065)
Caps/Lightning game is lit - I could do this series again this year

Was just coming to post something like this. Great game so far. Not sure what the advanced stats will say but these two teams seem pretty evenly matched. I thought it was a good period for the Caps. Tampa moves the puck around like it’s nothing. It’s terrifying to watch.

barbogast 03-20-2019 09:26 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
I need heart medicine after a period like that

Brohan_Santana 03-20-2019 10:05 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Man, the Caps need to finish - so many good looks and missing wide open nets

barbogast 03-20-2019 10:11 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
I think it’s time fo face reality with Brooks Orpik

The kempny injury is big if he misses time

Brohan_Santana 03-20-2019 10:46 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17404132)
I think itís time fo face reality with Brooks Orpik

The kempny injury is big if he misses time



Reirden I think is giving Djoos and Orpik a fair shake to see who deserves it down the line

Kempny needs to get healthy though

Ideally caps will most likely cycle the top 2 D pairs most of the time come playoff time

barbogast 03-20-2019 11:00 PM

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I don’t think reirden has been fair with the ice time between Djoos and Orpik at all. He’s clearly shown a presence for playing Orpik. I like the guy but he was noticeably terrible all night

fonzz41 03-21-2019 12:10 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
The passing play that led to Kucherov's goal...

That's why they are the best team in the league.

Roose13 03-21-2019 12:28 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 17403006)
Caps visiting the White House next Monday. All players attending except for DSP (no longer on the team) and Connolly standing in solidarity with DSP not going if he had the chance

Said Swedish center Nicklas Backstrom: ďIt will be fun. Itís exciting, I think, and every time you get an invitation from the president and being at the White House, itís going to be a great experience. ... I feel like itís always up to whoever wants to go, but we got the invitation, and itís been a tradition, I think, for many years. Weíre not going to mix politics with sports.Ē

I just wanna see Ovi pounding Big Macs :lol

jcc522 03-21-2019 09:43 PM

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Sucks to lose to the refs smh

aeroshady 03-22-2019 08:58 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by jcc522 (Post 17404993)
Sucks to lose to the refs smh

I definitely felt that there were some missed calls and a bad call at the end that gave Tampa that two goal lead. That said, the Canes put up a hell of a fight, but Tampa is insanely good. I hate it, but they are the best team in the league. I think it is going to be very hard for anyone to knock them out of the playoffs this year.

In other news, the Ants playoffs final is going on and I canít get a goalie to get a start. Horrible timing for Flower to get injured and for some reason, the Bís Are not giving Halak a game anymore. Iím going to lose in the finals because I may not get a single Goalie to start this week :lol

swordo84 03-22-2019 09:03 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
When I get down on myself for cheering for the Oilers, I just have to remind myself that I'm not a Sens fan, and that helps. Their owner has spent the past 24hrs just slagging everyone from his own team's fans, local reporters, Ottawa's mayor and somehow the Toronto Maple Leafs. This man is clueless and is running his franchise into the ground. They'll be lucky to get 10k out to their shit arena, in a shit area to watch their shit team next year.

Edit: This thread, read this thread (and its not even up to date as yet)
https://twitter.com/ryanclassic/stat...79240250564608

pathetic 03-22-2019 09:03 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Bruins!!!1

barbogast 03-22-2019 10:21 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 17405134)
When I get down on myself for cheering for the Oilers, I just have to remind myself that I'm not a Sens fan, and that helps. Their owner has spent the past 24hrs just slagging everyone from his own team's fans, local reporters, Ottawa's mayor and somehow the Toronto Maple Leafs. This man is clueless and is running his franchise into the ground. They'll be lucky to get 10k out to their shit arena, in a shit area to watch their shit team next year.

Edit: This thread, read this thread (and its not even up to date as yet)
https://twitter.com/ryanclassic/stat...79240250564608

This was a crazy read. Damn.

aeroshady 03-22-2019 10:54 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 17405134)
When I get down on myself for cheering for the Oilers, I just have to remind myself that I'm not a Sens fan, and that helps. Their owner has spent the past 24hrs just slagging everyone from his own team's fans, local reporters, Ottawa's mayor and somehow the Toronto Maple Leafs. This man is clueless and is running his franchise into the ground. They'll be lucky to get 10k out to their shit arena, in a shit area to watch their shit team next year.

Edit: This thread, read this thread (and its not even up to date as yet)
https://twitter.com/ryanclassic/stat...79240250564608

Well, this just made me feel really good about the NY Rangers leadership. Wow, I had no idea what a shitshow Ottawa was.

fonzz41 03-22-2019 11:30 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Holtby announces he'll be skipping the White House visit too :lol

fonzz41 03-22-2019 11:34 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 17405134)
When I get down on myself for cheering for the Oilers, I just have to remind myself that I'm not a Sens fan, and that helps. Their owner has spent the past 24hrs just slagging everyone from his own team's fans, local reporters, Ottawa's mayor and somehow the Toronto Maple Leafs. This man is clueless and is running his franchise into the ground. They'll be lucky to get 10k out to their shit arena, in a shit area to watch their shit team next year.

Edit: This thread, read this thread (and its not even up to date as yet)
https://twitter.com/ryanclassic/stat...79240250564608

I still can't believe that the up-and-coming Avs, already with a ton of talent and currently in playoff contention (albeit barely), have a VERY good chance of getting the #1 overall pick in the draft. All so the Sens could get Duchene for a season.

dmbetc 03-22-2019 01:14 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17405282)
Holtby announces he'll be skipping the White House visit too :lol

More reasons to love him!

dmbetc 03-22-2019 01:23 PM

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That was an exhilarating read about the Sens.

BotheLaneFan 03-22-2019 01:42 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Golden Knights gonna win it awwwwlllll.

barbogast 03-22-2019 02:49 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17405282)
Holtby announces he'll be skipping the White House visit too :lol

Iím glad he stuck true to his beliefs on this. Itís sticky and I think the team has gone about this in the best manner possible. None of the players have been anything but supportive of each other. Thatís great to see. Iíve said it already but Iím behind anyone that wants to go or doesnít, and Iím glad thatís the approach the team is taking.

swordo84 03-22-2019 02:58 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17405284)
I still can't believe that the up-and-coming Avs, already with a ton of talent and currently in playoff contention (albeit barely), have a VERY good chance of getting the #1 overall pick in the draft. All so the Sens could get Duchene for a season.

My father in law nearly lost his mind when I told him this last week :lol

fonzz41 03-22-2019 03:07 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: featuring Gritty, the regular season mascot champ.
 
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Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 17405488)
My father in law nearly lost his mind when I told him this last week :lol

It's pretty unfair. :lol

Needless to say, I'm rooting for the Kings and Wings to win out so Ottawa stays in last place.


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