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kev87lads 02-09-2012 10:19 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
In my lifetime that I've seen/followed:

1) Eric Lindros
2) Mark Recchi
3) John LeClair
4) Rod Brind'Amour
5) Jeremy Roenick

#6-#43 - Starting #1 goaltenders

fonzz41 02-09-2012 10:19 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 13328808)
This is pretty spot on. I'd probably put Charlie in as 6. Would like to sneak him in the top 5 but your list is hard to argue.

:thumbsup I would definitely put him at #6. It was a tough call for me. Also consideration went to Averman and that little smart ass kid who was only in the first one.

DMBCubs25 02-09-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13328818)
Good points both of you. But in the end, the buck stops with the head coach. Who is it that assigns responsibilities to the assistant coaches? Another responsibility of a coach is to not allow the message to get stale, and adapt where needed. Obviously, Q is a great coach. You don't win a Stanley Cup with a poor coach, but adaptation needs to be considered and implemented where necessary. After a while of the same thing over and over, the message gets stale, hence the high coaching turnover in the NHL. We hardly ever see guys make it more than 4-5 seasons with a team anymore for that very reason.

Exactly, This is middle of Q's 4th season now. The constant line juggling cannot sit well with any player. I'm sure you thought the same thing when Q coached in COL.

fonzz41 02-09-2012 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 13328825)
Exactly, This is middle of Q's 4th season now. The constant line juggling cannot sit well with any player. I'm sure you thought the same thing when Q coached in COL.

It's one of those difficult situations where it's nothing against the coach, it's just that a fresh start is needed. Many of the Avs players speak fondly of Q now, recognizing him as a fantastic player's coach, but many of those were the same guys who were fed up with him towards the end of his tenure there.

DMBCubs25 02-09-2012 10:26 AM

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I'd agree with that. I still believe he finishes this year out, although if they continue losing as listlessly as they have been that may change. They brought in guys to play physical in the offseason but the system they have in place is more about blocking passing lanes with your stick then aggressively pressuring the puck carrier. Also with the personnel they have there is no reason this team should be anywhere outside of the Top 5 PP units every year. Past few weeks they can't even set it up in the zone.

salrx95 02-09-2012 10:38 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 13328655)
Top 5 Caps (flame away)

1. Langway
2. Gartner
3. Bondra
4. Ovechkin
5. Kolzig

.

I think a good argument could be made for Bondra being higher. He put up goal totals when no one was scoring that was unbelievable.

Good list, though.

fonzz41 02-09-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13328898)
I think a good argument could be made for Bondra being higher. He put up goal totals when no one was scoring that was unbelievable.

Good list, though.

As mentioned earlier, it's more of who your FAVORITES were/are, not necessarily the best. Hence, me having Mike Ricci at # 3 on my list. :lol

How about one from our lone NYI rep?

salrx95 02-09-2012 10:41 AM

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As for the Islanders

Bossy
Potvin
Trottier
Billy Smith
LaFontaine.

Is it too early for Tavares to be 6. Going to real tough for him to crack top 4 but man, it will be some career if he does.

TMoore4075 02-09-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 13328628)
1, Eric Lindros
2. John LeClair
3. Michael Renberg
4. Eric Desjardins
5. Rod Brind 'Amour

Missing the cut:

Ron Hextall, Simon Gagne, Claude Giroux, Kim Johnsson, and Roman Checkmanek

And Janne Niinimaa

salrx95 02-09-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13328905)
As mentioned earlier, it's more of who your FAVORITES were/are, not necessarily the best. Hence, me having Mike Ricci at # 3 on my list. :lol

How about one from our lone NYI rep?

ah, ok. I didn't backread enough then. I thought it was best players in your lifetime and/or seen play.

My list could be very different then and that would be no disrespect to the cup winners. I had half season tickets in high school (that I worked all summer to pay for) with my older brother and saw them all play but it after the cup years.

So leaving them out, my favorites are:

1. Tavares (not too early, currently have wicked man crush)
2. Kasparaitis
3. LaFontaine
4. Turgeon (92-93 was a magical season)
5. Scatchard

fonzz41 02-09-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13328914)
As for the Islanders

Bossy
Potvin
Trottier
Billy Smith
LaFontaine.

Is it too early for Tavares to be 6. Going to real tough for him to crack top 4 but man, it will be some career if he does.

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13328941)
ah, ok. I didn't backread enough then. I thought it was best players in your lifetime and/or seen play.

My list could be very different then and that would be no disrespect to the cup winners. I had half season tickets in high school (that I worked all summer to pay for) with my older brother and saw them all play but it after the cup years.

So leaving them out, my favorites are:

1. Tavares (not too early, currently have wicked man crush)
2. Kasparaitis
3. LaFontaine
4. Turgeon (92-93 was a magical season)
5. Scatchard

Both excellent lists :thumbsup Nice to see Pierre Turgeon get some love. Not a physical player by any means, but mad skills. My favorite Isle is Butch Goring.

Bron Yr Aur 02-09-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13328818)
Good points both of you. But in the end, the buck stops with the head coach. Who is it that assigns responsibilities to the assistant coaches? Another responsibility of a coach is to not allow the message to get stale, and adapt where needed. Obviously, Q is a great coach. You don't win a Stanley Cup with a poor coach, but adaptation needs to be considered and implemented where necessary. After a while of the same thing over and over, the message gets stale, hence the high coaching turnover in the NHL. We hardly ever see guys make it more than 4-5 seasons with a team anymore for that very reason.

I think a lot of folks are getting the feeling that Q's defensive systems are just getting a bit dated in the fast-paced post-lockout NHL. When we played you guys, you saw the crazy number of 2-on-1's. And not just that, but the space our defenders have to give, allowing open looks. The players need to sack up and start helping each other, for sure. Forwards not getting back enough, flying the zone too early, etc...needs to stop. But if the source is right that the players are losing faith in Q's system, that is scary. If that's the truth, it's probably time to make a change.

But honestly we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. If they lose tomorrow to the Sharks, I'm guessing somebody goes. But we fare decently against SJ lately and if the team turns it around, all will be forgotten. Fact is, it's really tough to win games on the road when you don't went faceoffs. Toews is clearly not 100% yet and is losing them a lot. When that happens, the team struggles.

But right now I'm actually starting to become convinced that getting rid of Q might not be a bad idea. His style just is too soft and the Hawks need to play a more physical game.

barbogast 02-09-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13328914)
As for the Islanders

Bossy
Potvin
Trottier
Billy Smith
LaFontaine.

Is it too early for Tavares to be 6. Going to real tough for him to crack top 4 but man, it will be some career if he does.

Not taking anything away from Tavares, but I think when his career ends the top 4 of that list will remain intact. That's a ridiculous group of hockey players right there, and LaFontaine was certainly no slouch either.

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13328898)
I think a good argument could be made for Bondra being higher. He put up goal totals when no one was scoring that was unbelievable.

Good list, though.

And yeah, after reviewing my list and thinking about it a little more, I'd like to adjust it to:

1. Langway
2. Bondra
3. Gartner
4. Kolzig
5. Ovechkin

I move Kolzig ahead of Ovechkin for two reasons: the '98 playoff run, and the playoff disappointments from '10 and '11. Until Ovechkin blows me away like Kolzig did in 1998, Kolzig is ahead on the list.

salrx95 02-09-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13328959)
Both excellent lists :thumbsup Nice to see Pierre Turgeon get some love. Not a physical player by any means, but mad skills. My favorite Isle is Butch Goring.

why ownership let that Ranger trash Don Maloney come in is beyond me. He dismantled that 93 semifinals team quickly and most of it didnt work out. Turgeon for that cocksucker Kirk Muller who didn't report. Turgeon was a special talent. I wonder to this day if we might have fared better vs. the Habs if that other cocksucker Hunter didn't take him with one of the worst cheap shots of all time. Now both those pricks are coaches. I hope for a puck in the mouth every time we play them.

Goring was the missing ingredient for the cups teams. We needed a number 2 C behind Trottier. He put us over the top. For his contribution to the cup years, I'll have respect for Butch but he is an awful, I mean awful announcer. Miss Jaffe. He was good and should have another job by now and it is surprising that he doesn't

DmBand801 02-09-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13328990)
why ownership let that Ranger trash Don Maloney come in is beyond me. He dismantled that 93 semifinals team quickly and most of it didnt work out. Turgeon for that cocksucker Kirk Muller who didn't report. Turgeon was a special talent. I wonder to this day if we might have fared better vs. the Habs if that other cocksucker Hunter didn't take him with one of the worst cheap shots of all time. Now both those pricks are coaches. I hope for a puck in the mouth every time we play them.

Goring was the missing ingredient for the cups teams. We needed a number 2 C behind Trottier. He put us over the top. For his contribution to the cup years, I'll have respect for Butch but he is an awful, I mean awful announcer. Miss Jaffe. He was good and should have another job by now and it is surprising that he doesn't

Jaffe works for the NHL Network and TSN.

salrx95 02-09-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 13328985)
Not taking anything away from Tavares, but I think when his career ends the top 4 of that list will remain intact. That's a ridiculous group of hockey players right there, and LaFontaine was certainly no slouch either.

Yeah, I don't really see anyway JT breaks the top 4, no matter how good he becomes. That is a serious Mt Rushmore of professional teams.

19 straight playoff series victories is nothing to fool with. Talk about unbreakable records.

barbogast 02-09-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13329012)
Yeah, I don't really see anyway JT breaks the top 4, no matter how good he becomes. That is a serious Mt Rushmore of professional teams.

19 straight playoff series victories is nothing to fool with. Talk about unbreakable records.

:lol I don't even think the Caps have won 19 playoff series all time :lol

*enviously searches for a new hockey team*

salrx95 02-09-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DmBand801 (Post 13328998)
Jaffe works for the NHL Network and TSN.

yeah, I know and he does NHL live on msg saturday nights when around. I meant another job as analyst for a team full time. I wasn't clear.

Sometimes, I need to watch Isles on center ice package and there some bad announcers out there.

salrx95 02-09-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 13329023)
:lol I don't even think the Caps have won 19 playoff series all time :lol

*enviously searches for a new hockey team*

yeah, well, we haven't won a playoff series since 1993 so I anxiously wait for the bright future we will have in the coming years. I only hope Wang (our owner) starts to put some money into the team. You can't spend the cap minimum and expect to win in this league. Be a shame to not surround JT with a better, deeper team.

barbogast 02-09-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 13329038)
yeah, well, we haven't won a playoff series since 1993 so I anxiously wait for the bright future we will have in the coming years. I only hope Wang (our owner) starts to put some money into the team. You can't spend the cap minimum and expect to win in this league. Be a shame to not surround JT with a better, deeper team.

Yeah it really would. He has clearly turned out to be as good as advertised, and he's only getting better. I don't know a lot about the behind the scenes of the Isles, but it seems like Wang has done more bad than good for that team. Fair assessment?

salrx95 02-09-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 13329049)
Yeah it really would. He has clearly turned out to be as good as advertised, and he's only getting better. I don't know a lot about the behind the scenes of the Isles, but it seems like Wang has done more bad than good for that team. Fair assessment?

90% of the fanbase despises him. I used to support him vs the haters because he loses about 15-20 million a year on the team. But not anymore for about the last 2-3 years. He maybe saved the team when he bought it. He put a lot of money into the team when he first bought it (though not always smartly like the Yashin deal) cause he wanted to make a big splash.

It is now clear he bought the team for the Lighthouse Project. It was his dream to build and develop a new state of the art arena and the surrounding area to have it be the hub and center of attraction for Long Islanders to go to. The town has turn it down and most alternatives he has pursued, which has led to rumors of a move to KC, Quebec, Brooklyn, Queens.

He gave DP that deal, was too loyal to Milbury, hired Neil Smith then fired him a month later to hire Garth Snow. Most of the fanbase feels the team was secondary to real estate deal and will keep the team at the cap floor until the lease runs out in 2015. Isles have one of the best cable deals but one of the worst arena deals. So much of what is sold at the coliseum goes into the pockets of SMG, who hold the lease.

But you know the old saying, if you build it, they will come. Isles get most of the sale of tickets so if you put money into the team and improve the on ice product, the people will come in droves. They are there.

~Crashintome89~ 02-09-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13328921)
And Janne Niinimaa

Go ahead...post that video. :lol

fonzz41 02-09-2012 12:30 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
:lol:lol:lol What a joke...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/75...real-canadiens

TMoore4075 02-09-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 13329297)
Go ahead...post that video. :lol

I have no idea what you are talking about.


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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13329298)

They aren't last place..it's 2nd to last.

dduncan6er 02-09-2012 12:35 PM

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I can't stand that franchise. I've been to the city before and its nice but the residents suck.

Rebecca De Mornay 02-09-2012 01:41 PM

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2013 All-Star game in Columbus

Announced a little while ago so I'm sure you already know. Might be able to get a little more interest in the sport around these parts.

dduncan6er 02-09-2012 02:00 PM

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That's probably the last ditch effort by the Nhl to make hockey work in Columbus.

unccrombie 02-09-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 13329655)
That's probably the last ditch effort by the Nhl to make hockey work in Columbus.

would hockey be better in say Cleveland or Cinci?

dduncan6er 02-09-2012 02:05 PM

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I have no idea. I'm not familiar with the sports markets in Ohio, but I imagine if the team moved it wouldnt be staying in Ohio.

Brohan_Santana 02-09-2012 02:08 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Which player ends up on the Caps at the end of the year: Rick Nash, Jeff Carter or Tuomo Ruutu?

There have been plenty of rumors of Semin being moved to the Hawks or Leafs and if Semin does move out the Caps have plenty of cap space to land any of those three.


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