Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 16332295)

They heard you. Starting to wake up.

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16332270)

This team is so bad right now.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16332471)

I love the oilers so much right now.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16332471)

I love the oilers so much right now.

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16332379)

Jets hit the post in the last 10 seconds but Wings win!

Originally Posted by c33dmb (Post 16332456)

On the Red Wings side, their power play was super fun to watch. Datsyuk in particular, just effortless looking distribution on the blue line when I saw him drift up there.

I couldn't decide whether Abdelkader's hit was dirty or not. It seemed to hit some head, but it also seemed like the Winnipeg player was falling. Either way, the last 10 minutes were a fun watch. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 16332586)

Oh, shut up.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16331807)

Leaving your feet for a shoulder-to-shoulder check is a charging minor. And even then, it's up to interpretation. Even with a clean body check, there is almost always some aspect of skates leaving the ice as momentum carries the hitter forward into the player. It's up to the ref to decide if it was just that, or if there was something more egregious. Now, usually leaving your feet MEANS that high contact is being made, hence sometimes more serious penalties.

A double minor is usually only imposed if a) two fouls were committed on the same play, or b) a visible injury occurred as a result of the play, i.e., high sticking a guy in the mouth, and he starts bleeding.



OK, here's what he didn't do:
- There were no excessive strides before the hit. He was gliding all the way.
- I felt like Ehrhoff was going for the puck in such a way that Reaves could reasonably expect him to have it, and therefore be eligible for the hit. By the time Ehrhoff pulled up, Reaves was already on trajectory to hit him.
- He did leave his feet, but I feel it was more a product of the hit itself (however, more on this below)

Despite all that though, there was one kicker: He targeted the head. It was a clear high hit that Reaves is responsible for. If he would have lowered his shoulder and taken Ehrhoff right in the chest (or bent over and given him some hip action, which is much more fun ;)), not only would his skates have stayed more on the ice, but it would have been a completely clean and legal check. Not even a minor penalty.

While I wouldn't have given him a match penalty, you know how I am with head shots and illegal hits: I want them gone, and the only way to really effect change is severity in penalization. With that in mind, even though there was no apparent injury or anything like that, I STILL would have given him a 5-minute major for illegal contact to the head and a game misconduct.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16331864)

And also, I agree with you in not blaming him for being upset at being kicked out, because the league has established a precedent that if the guy's not down on the ice unconscious, it's OK.

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16332710)

Yeah, the angle the ref had was not all that great to view it, nor were the replays so I can certainly see why they tossed him. Had he went down a little it would not have looked like an intentional shot to the head - ignoring the puck didn't help his case either. That said, I do not think he was intentionally trying to hurt him.



I would have been pissed too. I have been tossed out of some games myself and am generally really annoyed both at myself and at the officials.



I hope Subban is alright, sucks to loose a guy like that.

Alex Galchenyuk is playing some amazing hockey lately and flying under the radar somehow.

Nice win for the oilers!

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16332748)

I think there's hardly ever an instance where one player is intentionally trying to seriously injure another player. so intent isnt always a factor. It's more about re-learning the proper technique for hitting.

And that's why I would've still given Reaves a game, even if I had the perfect angle of view as the ref. the fact that Ehrhoff wasn't injured makes it an even more poignant teaching moment, showing Reaves and others that hitting high like that is not ok, even if the guy is fine after.

And yeah, Subban is my least favorite player in the league by a long shot, but I hate to see anyone at any level be carter out on a stretcher. Hope he's OK.

Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16332951)

Wideman suspension reduced to 10 games

Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16332951)

Wideman suspension reduced to 10 games

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16333038)

:lol now?? Wow

Does this mean anything for Wideman other than having his record show a 10 game instead of 20 game suspension?

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 16333080)

He would get paid for the 9, I believe

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16333846)

Pavel!!!! Or maybe Helm. A huge two points.

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 16333877)

This was dumb. Not the post. The Rangers blowing it.