Originally Posted by rconverse (Post 13554360)

Can someone explain the last penalty to me? I'm not a hockey expert. (not kidding)

I mean, the guy got rocked but the puck was right there. Again, not saying it wasn't a penalty, I just don't know the rules well enough.

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13554358)

Eh enough with the over-reactions. As good as Smith was, it could have gone the other way with a bit better play from Crawford when it mattered. The Hawks skaters dominated the Yotes' and the Hawks gave a legit effort tonight. They were all over the Yotes for most of the game.

I am not one to complain about officiating but I am certainly a bit bitter that Phoenix was helped by some calls. Mike Smith won it for them, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 13554314)

Who needs a :hug

Originally Posted by Proudest_Raider (Post 13554381)

Hate the fact that we don't get home ice against the 'yotes. NHL needs to fix that.

Originally Posted by thechad90000 (Post 13554385)

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Proudest_Raider (Post 13554381)

Hate the fact that we don't get home ice against the 'yotes. NHL needs to fix that.

Originally Posted by Proudest_Raider (Post 13554389)

Phoenix is 3 seed, we're 4 so they get home ice, correct?

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554386)

Stop saying Kitchen needs to be gone, they all need to be gone.

Originally Posted by Proudest_Raider (Post 13554381)

Hate the fact that we don't get home ice against the 'yotes. NHL needs to fix that.

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554386)

Stop saying Kitchen needs to be gone, they all need to be gone.

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554411)

Predators had more points than Phoenix....

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13554429)

I'd keep Q if they could replace Kitchen with someone with a brain. Fact is, this team responds pretty well to Quenneville but I don't fire him unless you have a legit option waiting to replace him. Kitch needs to go tomorrow.

The fact is you need a bit of luck to get through these playoffs. Hawks certainly didn't have it because they skated circles around PHX in games 4-6. When you see Hossa go down like he did to Torres, and yet the only major penalties being called in this series are routine interference or boarding penalties, you just have to laugh. Toews getting called for interference as a guy takes him offside....I mean, whatever. That stuff happens and Crawford didn't show up in OT in Games 3 and 4. Hawks played well and Mike Smith was incredible. Better luck next time, I'm not really upset with the players. They battled all series.

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554441)

if we have carcillo we win the cup

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554463)

I don't blame the players, outside of Sharp and Kane for not showing up, but I completely blame the coaching staff and Bowman for the way the last 2 years have gone.

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13554369)

Not allowed to push a guy into the boards if you see his numbers. Shoulder to boards is ok, but that is dangerous.

But it's still a 2-minute penalty. There was no intent to injure. It was routine boarding.

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 13554556)

If you have Carcillo he probably lights up Boedker and gets 25 games. Hawks rally around their suspended teammate and win in 5.

Originally Posted by DMBCubs25 (Post 13554459)

Probably a much different series with Hossa, Montador, Carcillo in lineup but can't use injuries as an excuse. Weak goaltending, horrible special teams and invisible series from 88 and 10 did them in.

Originally Posted by monkeyman68 (Post 13554569)

Will anyone outside of NSH and PHX actually watch that series?

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554579)

I love doing these, can't wait for the thread for next season:

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / P-A Parenteau ($3.350m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m)
Jamal Mayers ($0.650m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Ryan Suter ($5.200m)
Steve Montador ($2.750m) / Dylan Olsen ($0.870m)
Scott Hannan ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,156,794; BONUSES: $647,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $143,206

Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 13554625)

I think there is an overreaction to Oduya......would not mind seeing him back at all.....not his fault we ran into a fucking wall

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554629)

right, but there are a lot of turnovers in this series that were his fault.

Originally Posted by monkeyman68 (Post 13554569)

Will anyone outside of NSH and PHX actually watch that series?

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 13554831)

No way Flyers win if they face the Rangers. The Flyers goal tending is too horrendous and the Rangers is too good.

Originally Posted by Jsweeney (Post 13554916)

not terribly excited about the prospect of this match-up, but I do not know if i would say "no way"...anything is possible this post-season

Originally Posted by Jsweeney (Post 13554916)

not terribly excited about the prospect of this match-up, but I do not know if i would say "no way"...anything is possible this post-season

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13554921)

The Panthers backing into the playoffs while the Devils were playing well is a good example of that. Or the Hawks and Canucks rolling into the playoffs and getting knocked out.

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 13554940)

As much as I generally hate Don Cherry, he made a good point last night in that he spoke to the fact that Vancouver just coasted into the playoffs and didn't really have a whole lot of fight in them, and it showed.

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13554979)

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index...._wings_22.html

I wouldn't go there either.

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 13554936)

Well, of course that is just sport chatter. This post season has been full of surprises, both good and bad. But, if the Flyers match up with the Rangers the Flyers will need to step up their D to help their goalies, unless their goalies start making stops. Letting in multiple goals will be a disaster for them against the Rangers. Hank will not return the favor.

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13503313)

I'll do my predictions real quick I guess but who knows what will happen.
NYR/Sens: Rangers in 6. Sens will be a battle though. Maybe goes 7 cause the Rangers have had a few not so good looking games but they'll win.

Bruins/Caps: What Caps team shows up? The one from Saturday could cause trouble but I won't hold my breath. Bruins in 6.

Panthers/Devils: I want to say Devils in 6 but I dunno. I'm gonna go in 5. Cats have struggled a lot lately and the Devils haven't.

Pens/Flyers: Should be great and I hope it lives up to the hype. Pens in 7.

Canucks/Kings: Should be a good series. A rematch of 2010 and the Kings are a better team. I think the Canucks get by though and in 7.

Blues/Sharks: It's 2000 all over again. I'm not sold on the Blues as a team being good enough to go all the way even with their goaltending. They still need to learn how to win in the post season. I'm gonna say Sharks in 7.

Yotes/Hawks: Hawks minus their captain and the Yotes are a tough team. I think this one might go the distance as well but not sure. I'd like to see the Yotes finally win a series, although it could postpone a possible relocation. I'm gonna go Hawks in 6 though.

Wings/Preds: Would love to pick my boys here. They have the talent, the experience, the goaltending but can't score worth crap lately. The positive side of that is the Preds don't score a lot either so they won't need to score a lot to win. If they can get enough offense going they could win. I like that a lot of you were picking my boys but I'm gonna have to go against them and say Preds in....7. I think it could be 6 but don't want to lose at home.

That was one long post.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13555206)

Fresh off my suspension! Good to be back :lol

Nice to see Phoenix advance. You've gotta give them credit... they have every reason to fail, and yet they continue to soldier on. A team of warriors... and scumbags (Torres).

I remember when they signed Smith... I didn't agree with many who said it was a terrible signing - I did see some potential there - but I didn't see him literally standing on his head most of the season. They are nowhere without him.

The job status of Coach Q going forward is an interesting one. Bylsma is another one. It's obvious both are great coaches, but at what point is it time for a fresh message? When you make a coaching change, it's not usually because the coach is "bad", it's just that a new message needs to be preached to keep the players motivated.

This is especially important on young teams. Vets know what they have to do... it's obvious they don't need as much hand-holding and "go get 'ems"; if they did they probably still wouldn't be in the league. But youngsters need that. Is Hitchcock a bad coach because he got fired from CBJ? Obviously not. Laviolette because he was fired from Carolina? Obviously not. The list goes on. It's just a "message getting stale" issue, and that's why we see the coaching carousel continuing to go around in the NHL. Not necessarily a bad thing.

I think the question both Pittsburgh and Chicago management need to consider (and it's not an easy one) is: At what point is it the coach's responsibility to get his guys going to play their best, and at what point is it the players responsibility to buck up and play to their full potential, and who's not pulling their full weight? I firmly think the players bear most of that responsibility, but the coach certainly has a job to do in that as well.

Will be interesting to see where it goes. One thing's for sure, Q and Bylsma are both good enough to land other jobs quickly. San Jose and Calgary come to mind.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13503596)

Playoff predictions, just to get them out there:

Rangers/Senators: Rangers in 5. I have a feeling the Rags are going to be hungry in this opening round.

Bruins/Capitals: Bruins in 4. A bold statement, but the Bruins are built to beat teams just like the Capitals.

Panthers/Devils: Devils in 6. I think the Cats could win at least 2 at home, but in the end won't be able to skate for a full series with the Devils. The depth just isn't there.

Penguins/Flyers: Pens in 7. Gearing up to be one of the more exciting matchups of the playoffs.

Canucks/Kings: Canucks in 7. The Kings have learned to score and will not just roll over in this first round, but the depth of the Canucks will win out.

Blues/Sharks: Blues in 6. Yep, I think they can do it. Although not a HUGE factor in the regular season, this is where the addition of proven winners like Arnott and Langenbrunner become really important. Expect at least one of them to make a noticeable impact at some point during this series. What we won't see is there influence in the locker room.

Coyotes/Blackhawks: At the risk of severing friendships here, I'm going to say Coyotes in 7. In two words, injuries and inconsistency seem to have plagued the Hawks this season. Dave Tippett is the best coach this side of Barry Trotz at getting the most out of his players, and I think this is their time.

Red Wings/Predators: Predators in 7. Maybe the toughest series to predict for me. The 5th gear the Wings jump into at playoff time is uncanny, but I like the sauce of the Preds this year.

Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 13555221)

I'd like to give Bylsma one more year where the status of Crosby isn't in limbo and he has a full complement of players for the better part of a full season. If they fail again in the playoffs, then it's time for a change.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13555237)

Damn! Further evidence of how crazy the playoffs have been this year. Got about half my winners correct, but completely goose-egged it on the number of games for each series :lol

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13555245)

The Bruins/Capitals one was real close for ya.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13555252)

Kinda like your Sharks prediction, eh? ;)

All this kind of shows just how silly making predictions is.

Oh, and the trend continues... the big market teams get eliminated and the thread traffic goes right back down to where it was before. :lol That first round of the playoffs is always the most fun in the NHL thread.

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13554579)

I love doing these, can't wait for the thread for next season:

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / P-A Parenteau ($3.350m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m)
Jamal Mayers ($0.650m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Nick Leddy ($1.117m) / Ryan Suter ($5.200m)
Steve Montador ($2.750m) / Dylan Olsen ($0.870m)
Scott Hannan ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,156,794; BONUSES: $647,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $143,206

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13554586)

If they don't make a serious run at a legitimate 2nd-pairing defenseman, I will be disappointed. Someone who plays with some physicality. Let Oduya walk please. Leddy / Suter is exactly what I would like. Probably will never happen. Give Leddy a safety net so he can be free to move the puck.

Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 13554625)

I think there is an overreaction to Oduya......would not mind seeing him back at all.....not his fault we ran into a fucking wall

Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 13554636)

I will give you that.....although are they magnified by the fact that we could not score for shit?

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13555206)

Fresh off my suspension! Good to be back :lol

Nice to see Phoenix advance. You've gotta give them credit... they have every reason to fail, and yet they continue to soldier on. A team of warriors... and scumbags (Torres).

I remember when they signed Smith... I didn't agree with many who said it was a terrible signing - I did see some potential there - but I didn't see him literally standing on his head most of the season. They are nowhere without him.

The job status of Coach Q going forward is an interesting one. Bylsma is another one. It's obvious both are great coaches, but at what point is it time for a fresh message? When you make a coaching change, it's not usually because the coach is "bad", it's just that a new message needs to be preached to keep the players motivated.

This is especially important on young teams. Vets know what they have to do... it's obvious they don't need as much hand-holding and "go get 'ems"; if they did they probably still wouldn't be in the league. But youngsters need that. Is Hitchcock a bad coach because he got fired from CBJ? Obviously not. Laviolette because he was fired from Carolina? Obviously not. The list goes on. It's just a "message getting stale" issue, and that's why we see the coaching carousel continuing to go around in the NHL. Not necessarily a bad thing.

I think the question both Pittsburgh and Chicago management need to consider (and it's not an easy one) is: At what point is it the coach's responsibility to get his guys going to play their best, and at what point is it the players responsibility to buck up and play to their full potential, and who's not pulling their full weight? I firmly think the players bear most of that responsibility, but the coach certainly has a job to do in that as well.

Will be interesting to see where it goes. One thing's for sure, Q and Bylsma are both good enough to land other jobs quickly. San Jose and Calgary come to mind.

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13503607)

Eastern Conference:

Rangers/Sens: HANK! This series goes 5, just because I hate predicting sweeps. I don't see how the Sens have any chance in this. Yikes, not quite. Sens made this one a series. Crazy.

BRUINS!!!/Brohan: I originally predicted 6 games for Boston to win this, but I'm changing it to 5 as well. Washington is going to look at this offseason and finally just blow this thing up instead of tweaking it constantly. Mike Green needs to go. Semin should have been traded. They're going to have decisions to make since he's a UFA, and they should have gotten value for him before, and instead now should just let him walk. Again, a little off. Caps surprised me. Boston obviously can still win this one, but the fact that it's going 7 is crazy to me.

Panthers/Devils: I want Florida to win, I really do. I want to see Tallon just continue to surprise the hockey world in markets that no one wants to come to (let's face it, no one, I mean no one, wanted to come to Chicago when he took over...it took $7+ million to get Soupy to sign with the Blackhawks and $5+ million for Huet to sign here...). But Kovalchuk/Parise are just too much for the Florida back end. Devils in 5. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Pens/Flyers: The series everyone and their mother is talking about. This. Will. Be. Fun. Limbs will be lost. Lives will be taken. Least bloody team survives. If Philly can knock the Pens off their game, and get them to play Flyers "pound you in the ass" hockey, the Flyers take this. Flyers in 7. Eh, close enough.

Western Conference:

Canucks/Kings: I've been on their side all season...I like the Kings. This will be one of those 1/8 matchups that shocks everyone, because the Kings are more talented than your standard 8 seed. Quick steals a couple games, Louuuuuuu steals a couple games, it goes 7. It's anyone's game then, and the Kings take it. Kings in 7. WOO! KINGS!

Blues/Sharks: I don't have that much faith in the Blues, but I have no faith in the Sharks. I originally said Blues in 6...now Blues in 5. SJ made some AWFUL offseason and mid-season moves. Sometimes the trade deadline moves that you make to try and "improve" end up backfiring. Bad decisions by the front office there. I just don't see them as a good hockey team anymore. Blues take this one easily. YOU'VE BEEN HALAK'D! No Halak, but they are basically the same freak goaltender. Halak/Elliot...whatever. I nailed this one

Yotes/Hawks: I love this matchup for the Blackhawks. I think the Coyotes system is all smoke and mirrors. Bryz and their defense continually got exposed in the playoffs, Smith will be the same. Over the course of a 82 game season, it's easy to "steal" games with their system, but when you have to work it every night, teams get more and more game film and figure out how they can expose it...watch the goals pour in. The Yotes somehow have a worse PP than the Hawks...I didn't think it was possible for a playoff team to have a worse PP than the Blackhawks...but it exists. Look for game 1 to be a low scoring affair, that PHX probably wins, after that, I expect a HUGE series from #10 from Chicago. Sharpie and the backdoor one-timer will be a huge factor here. I'm predicting a massive series for him, talking 5-6 goals. Hawks in 5 with Toews, Hawks in 6 w/o Toews. Fuck you.

Preds/Wings: As I said, I just don't see Nashville winning a game at the Joe. I don't. I can see the Wings stealing a game or even two in Nashville. I think this one isn't as close as everyone thinks it will be. I'm changing this to Detroit in 6. The problem then is exposed for Nashville...go all in one season and it doesn't work...the offseason becomes a scary, scary time. They have 12 guys currently under contract for next season (including that ridiculous contract for Rinne), and 8 of them expire then after NEXT season. Scary planning for Nashville if they don't "win now". I don't want to see that market die, but I think Suter leaves for Hockeytown and Shea Weber spends the offseason crying at the loss of his boyfriend, and upset that he was a RFA.Oooooops.

Originally Posted by monkeyman68 (Post 13554569)

Will anyone outside of NSH and PHX actually watch that series?

Originally Posted by thedak (Post 13555317)

Hell no

I am hoping for a Florida - Phoenix Final

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13555299)

.

We're a long shot for him, but have been mentioned as a dark horse candidate. Would Suter like to come here and play second fiddle to the 7-2 pair? He would be top dog in Detroit.

Q isn't going to go anywhere, I can tell ya that. I highly doubt Bylsma does either.

Q might not make it through next season if he doesn't start well, but I highly highly doubt that he gets fired this offseason. I expect changes on the Blackhawks front, they know that 2 years removed from the Stanley Cup title, having 0 postseason series victories is going to be detrimental to the popularity of this team in this city. Sad as it is, John McDonough/Rocky/Stan Blowman need that success to continue to justify pushing the salaries as close to the cap as possible. For another year, the Blackhawks as an organization failed to turn a profit, they are getting closer, but still didn't. Sustained success would get them there, but they need to win, and win now to be able to do it.

It will be interesting to see what moves they make, but losing Q is doubtful.

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 13555337)

Chris, I still want to know what "pound you in the ass hockey" is. It doesn't sound fun.

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13555383)

And Chris, a couple days ago you challenged all to a game of shinny. You are on buddy.

I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast...

(you miss that movie quote and you're getting suspended again!)

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 13503554)

I'll throw in my $0.02 as well for the 1st round.

NYR/Sens: Rangers in 5. The Rags haven't been playing up to par to end the season, but they haven't had much incentive to either. The Sens on the other hand have been pretty miserable. Goaltending is gonna kill em in this one. Yeah, missed this one by a mile

Bruins/Caps: Bruins in 6. Caps may win a few, but I think they tank and don't have a chance. Again, whoops

Panthers/Devils: Devils in 7. I think this one is closer than most think. Almost reminds me of last years Pens-Lightning matchup where the Pens were the seemingly strong favorite to win and somehow the Lightning pulled 3 straight wins out of their ass. In the end, the Devils pull it off though. Had some quiet confidence in the Panthers here but didn't think they'd have the chops to be where they are now. We'll see if I'm right...

Pens/Flyers: Vomit, I'm not evening going to guess what happens here. Vomit is code for I'm pretty sure the Pens would lose but didn't want to think about it. I think Amoebic Dysentery describes my feelings better now.

Canucks/Kings: Canucks in 5. The children of the corn are just too good. Way fucking off

Blues/Sharks: Blues in 7. This series will be a catalyst for the Sharks to reorganize next season. Thought Sharks would make it closer, but yeah

Yotes/Hawks: Yotes in 6. I think Tippett has been nothing short of miraculous this season and I think the series may depend on whether or not Smith can carry over his regular season success to the playoffs. Bryz couldn't do it last year, but I'm guessing Smith does. Nailed it.

Wings/Preds: Preds in 7. It'll be hard fought, but the Wings have floundered a bit while the preds have loaded up for the playoffs. It'll be extremely close, but I think the Preds come out ahead. Preds were either way better than I expected or the Wings were way worse. Not sure.

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 13555391)

Did pretty well in the Western, not so much for the Eastern me thinks

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13555334)

I don't see Suter signing with the Hawks, for the exact reason you mentioned. This is his time to make his money and make his mark. Not that he's egotistical or anything, but he's a damn good defenseman who deserves that number spot and the dollars that will come along with it.

I also agree about Q, just as I agreed with Dramageek on Bylsma. I think both keep their job this year. My comments were more directed to the "fire Q!" comments coming through after last night. A few were probably made in anger (kind of like Bonzo storming out of the thread :lol), but I just wanted to comment on the role of a coach in general.

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 13555337)

Chris, I still want to know what "pound you in the ass hockey" is. It doesn't sound fun.

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13555426)

This summer and beginning of the season is a make or break for a lot of people for the Blackhawks.

This is the last run this "core" gets, last run Q gets, last run Stan gets, IMO. If they can't get it done, I expect lots of changes. I'll do a massive write up later, but for now I'm going to return to work, and cry with my freshly shaven face.

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13555445)

Pussy...:lol

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 13556159)

The last Game 7 at the Garden was in the NBA. The New York Knicks lost 97-95 to Reggie Miller and the Indiana Pacers in the 1995 Eastern Conference semifinals. The last time the Rangers hosted a Game 7 was 1994, when they beat Vancouver to win their first Stanley Cup in 54 years.

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13556179)

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 13556204)

part of me wishes the cubs could experience that joy.