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Old 05-22-2017, 10:47 PM   #1
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Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

A friend of mine is a project manager and currently in NYC working on a large project where he and his team have been putting in a lot of long hours.

His CEO, who is black, asked him tonight if he was going to take everyone to dinner, and my friend jokingly replied "No, I'm a slave driver." He said his CEO seemed offended by his use of the term.

I never thought of that phrase in a racial context before. When I was a kid, my mom, who is in no way prejudiced, would say it all the time when I'd complain about having to do some trivial chore - 'Oh yes Alex, I'm such a slave driver!"

While I never though of that term as racial before, I suppose I can see how someone would.

What say you, Ants? Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    not in the least.

    for the record, neither is "porch monkey".

    my grandma used to call me a porch monkey all the time. i'm taking it back.
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    Nah, but you can't use the word "slave" anymore in mixed company. People are too sensitive/want attention for being offended nowadays
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    Context is important. On its own I'd say no but a white person saying it to a black person might be uncomfortable.
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    Nah, but you can't use the word "slave" anymore in mixed company. People are too sensitive/want attention for being offended nowadays
    there was a black lady in a friend's office who went ape shit over the term "rebel". went to HR and everything.

    white female office lady was busy with something and went to lunch late.

    black female office lady called her out saying "you HAVE to take lunch at 11, if you don't go to lunch at 11, yadda yadda..."

    white female office lady said something like "yeah, i know that's what the policy says, but i was busy working and went to lunch a bit late, not a big deal... i'm such a rebel, aren't i?"

    black female office lady lost her god damn mind and called her a number of names and reported her to HR for being a confederate flag waving racist. for using the word "rebel".

    guess black female office lady never saw any of the 8 star wars movies.
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

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    there was a black lady in a friend's office who went ape shit over the term "rebel". went to HR and everything.

    white female office lady was busy with something and went to lunch late.

    black female office lady called her out saying "you HAVE to take lunch at 11, if you don't go to lunch at 11, yadda yadda..."

    white female office lady said something like "yeah, i know that's what the policy says, but i was busy working and went to lunch a bit late, not a big deal... i'm such a rebel, aren't i?"

    black female office lady lost her god damn mind and called her a number of names and reported her to HR for being a confederate flag waving racist. for using the word "rebel".

    guess black female office lady never saw any of the 8 star wars movies.



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    I prefer the term Master.
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

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    A friend of mine is a project manager and currently in NYC working on a large project where he and his team have been putting in a lot of long hours.

    His CEO, who is black, asked him tonight if he was going to take everyone to dinner, and my friend jokingly replied "No, I'm a slave driver." He said his CEO seemed offended by his use of the term.

    I never thought of that phrase in a racial context before. When I was a kid, my mom, who is in no way prejudiced, would say it all the time when I'd complain about having to do some trivial chore - 'Oh yes Alex, I'm such a slave driver!"

    While I never though of that term as racial before, I suppose I can see how someone would.

    What say you, Ants? Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    Yes. Is this a joke? The person who said that to their black boss at all, and then was surprised when his boss was offended, is an idiot. He has apparently zero common sense or self awareness. That language is obviously offensive and inappropriate in a professional or any setting.

    But, alas, many people like to cling to these outdated, historically loaded terms and insist they are not offensive because xyz (aka "I like to say it and it doesn't hurt me"). They're more concerned about justifying their use of these words, (using arguments that focus on extremely narrow, willfully blind semantic meanings) than considering just why they cause offense / discomfort in the people they are communicating with. It's probably worth bringing your vocabulary up into the 21st, or even 20th, century. That way you won't blatantly offend people and then be scratching your head as to why.
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    Yes. Is this a joke? The person who said that to their black boss at all, and then was surprised when his boss was offended, is an idiot. He has apparently zero common sense or self awareness. That language is obviously offensive and inappropriate in a professional or any setting.

    But, alas, many people like to cling to these outdated, historically loaded terms and insist they are not offensive because xyz (aka "I like to say it and it doesn't hurt me"). They're more concerned about justifying their use of these words, (using arguments that focus on extremely narrow, willfully blind semantic meanings) than considering just why they cause offense / discomfort in the people they are communicating with. It's probably worth bringing your vocabulary up into the 21st, or even 20th, century. That way you won't blatantly offend people and then be scratching your head as to why.
    is this a joke?

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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    is "well i'll be a monkey's uncle" racist?
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    Old 05-23-2017, 01:59 AM   #12
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    It's certainly a racial term, unless there is non-race-based slavery in this country that I am unaware of. That doesn't mean someone is racist for using it, or has ill intentions regarding another's race, but I would be careful about what context (and around whom) I used it. See also: get you cotton picking hands off that, shucking and jiving, sold down the river, etc...

    Lots of common language has its origins in racial degradation, or what we now call systemic racism.
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    Old 05-23-2017, 07:45 AM   #13
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    Went with my gut on this and my gut says no.
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    Recently was out to a restaurant with my wife and her parents. My father-in-law was talking about all the work he's been doing on their house and he said something like "slave driver" or himself being slave driven, I forget exactly. And he was saying it while our black server was dropping something off at the table or picking something up. I immediately picked up on that and thought ooh, that's awkward. Then I remembered, well, we're Jewish. Maybe we're allowed to say it?
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    Old 05-23-2017, 09:26 AM   #17
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

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    Context is important. On its own I'd say no but a white person saying it to a black person might be uncomfortable.
    Pretty much this.

    By definition it's not racist, but it's too closely tied to slavery in this country to just go freely slinging the term around.
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    Old 05-23-2017, 09:35 AM   #18
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    Context is always important. In the context of this thread the use of the term was in poor taste.
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    I'm not sure if it is a racist/racial term but I probably haven't heard anyone use it in 20 years.
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    Context is always important. In the context of this thread the use of the term was in poor taste.
    Didn't really read the OP. I would agree that yes, in the context of the story in the OP it definitely was in poor taste.
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    Context is important. On its own I'd say no but a white person saying it to a black person might be uncomfortable.
    This is the correct answer.
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    I think context is important as well. All though location maybe plays a role to. Black people were not the only slaves in history. I also agree that I have not heard this term used in decades.
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    Pretty much this.

    By definition it's not racist, but it's too closely tied to slavery in this country to just go freely slinging the term around.
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    there was a black lady in a friend's office who went ape shit over the term "rebel". went to HR and everything.

    white female office lady was busy with something and went to lunch late.

    black female office lady called her out saying "you HAVE to take lunch at 11, if you don't go to lunch at 11, yadda yadda..."

    white female office lady said something like "yeah, i know that's what the policy says, but i was busy working and went to lunch a bit late, not a big deal... i'm such a rebel, aren't i?"

    black female office lady lost her god damn mind and called her a number of names and reported her to HR for being a confederate flag waving racist. for using the word "rebel".

    guess black female office lady never saw any of the 8 star wars movies.
    This never happened. You have a made-up story for everything. It's gotten pretty obvious.
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    went with my gut as well, which is "no"

    I honestly picture the building of the pyramids first when I hear "slave driver"

    as a general term in itself, I wouldn't say it's racist
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    Re: Poll: Is "slave driver" a racist/racial term?

    I imagine it's a person by person thing. The biggest problem is you can't really ask a bunch of white people if theoretically-derogatory-words-towards-minorities are racist or not. Obviously slave driver refers to white people, so it IS about us, but I mean, South Park had the best view of it. We just don't understand.
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    How is it racist? So many people (of all colors) have been slaves throughout history. Def not racist.
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    went with my gut as well, which is "no"

    I honestly picture the building of the pyramids first when I hear "slave driver"

    as a general term in itself, I wouldn't say it's racist
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    I imagine it's a person by person thing. The biggest problem is you can't really ask a bunch of white people if theoretically-derogatory-words-towards-minorities are racist or not. Obviously slave driver refers to white people, so it IS about us, but I mean, South Park had the best view of it. We just don't understand.
    Very true. I wasn't looking for a definitive answer per se, but rather to see if there was some kind of consensus on how people view the term. I never thought of that term in a racial sense, but I absolutely see how it is derived or interpreted that way. It's not a phrase that I really ever use, but did hear a lot when I was younger. Kind of one of those things that really isn't on your radar and then something like this happens and you think "Hmm, yeah, I suppose that is kind of a racial term."
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