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Old 04-27-2017, 01:21 PM   #301
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The NHL is actually a lot like DMB in a sense. They have a dedicated base of fans who are very into the product but don't garner the same level of national attention as other leagues/acts.
Interesting comparison. I like it.

I have never in the last, say 20 years, went to ESPN TV for it's hockey coverage anyways. Hardly watch sportscenter for years as well but I did like the articles on ESPN.com, especially since I subscribe to be an "insider" and thought their hockey coverage there was solid. Now it's a barebones operation I'm guessing that I won't be clicking on to read about hockey.

I can get more knowledge likely from the NHL thread here at Ants.
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    Hockey has not really been giving a fair chance for over 2 decades though. A lot of that is their own fault with all the lockouts and work stoppages, but the numbers for the playoffs and Winter classic showed that it has potential. Also, a city like Nashville shows that hockey can grow anywhere. I don't agree that the vast majority doesn't care about it. I just think they only care at certain times.


    I think I know what you meant here, but it came out inaccurate. The issue is that the US soccer fan base fell in love with European Football teams like Manchester United and Barca. That has helped the MLS grow in the long run, but the TV focus is obviously on the European teams and not the MLS for that reason.
    It didnt come out wrong. TLP said that ESPN largely ignores the NHL even though it teams all over the country. The MLS is a good comparison because it's a large league that is even more ignored than the NHL but for a similar reason. Neither league moves the needle nationwide. That's why they don't get much air time on ESPN. The reason why they don't move the needle is irrelevant.
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    If only the NHL was given a fair chance.
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    It didnt come out wrong. TLP said that ESPN largely ignores the NHL even though it teams all over the country. The MLS is a good comparison because it's a large league that is even more ignored than the NHL but for a similar reason. Neither league moves the needle nationwide. That's why they don't get much air time on ESPN. The reason why they don't move the needle is irrelevant.
    They do move the needle in certain situations. That was my point. I didn't see that you were comparing the MLS for the reason that it is a league with teams all over the country.

    However, you worded it as though MLS represente the entire sport of soccer...which it doesn't. America has shown that it cares about soccer right up there with the other sports. Just not MLS.


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    Dude, put together some actual thoughts, because right now your posts are nothing more than trolling. I don't get it...are you trying to be clever?
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    Mark May was let go. About time!
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    ignoring hockey is one of the few things ESPN gets right
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    ignoring hockey is one of the few things ESPN gets right
    I'm sure they will covering the positive for Thames any day now. (though I hope not for my fantasy team's sake)
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    Thames will be fine, he uses exotic Korean steroids that the MLB doesn't test for
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    really surprised by some of these names. like others have said, it seems like ESPN is getting rid of real journalists who provide thoughtful, experienced insight (jayson stark) and keeping talking head race-baiting idiots like Bomani Jones
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    really surprised by some of these names. like others have said, it seems like ESPN is getting rid of real journalists who provide thoughtful, experienced insight (jayson stark) and keeping talking head race-baiting idiots like Bomani Jones
    I agree. It's a reflection of society, no doubt. Instant gratification and non stop social media. Who wants to read a long piece in espn.com any more, I guess. They want crap and talking heads like Smith, etc. Besides Mike and Mike in the morning, I spend little to no time watching or listening to any espn shows at all anymore.
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    really surprised by some of these names. like others have said, it seems like ESPN is getting rid of real journalists who provide thoughtful, experienced insight (jayson stark) and keeping talking head race-baiting idiots like Bomani Jones

    Some people are entertained by race baiting. Sad.
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    Bomani is good
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    He's not even good at race baiting because he doesn't even try and defend what he says. I still think lebatard is a better race baiter
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    Yeah....bomani is definitely a coward about his racism.
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    His fake voice is really annoying too.
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    I don't know he seems to have you guys riled up
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    Britt McHenry got let go? Damn.
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    ignoring hockey is one of the few things ESPN gets right
    this x1000
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    I wonder how ticked off the real laid-off journalists were while watching that ridiculous commercial for the Michael Smith/Jemel SC

    my god Smith has gotten bad. He tries too damn hard. I used to really like him before he was a cartoon character
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    I liked Michael Smith when I used to watch ESPN years ago, maybe he's bad now

    I mean maybe Bomani is bad now too but he was fun when I used to watch Around the Horn
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    @Aero what situations does the NHL move the needle?
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    @Aero what situations does the NHL move the needle?
    Look, I'm a diehard hockey fan. It's my favorite sport and even I'll be the first to admit that the NHL isn't perfect. They take a lot of their "wins" (like the Winter Classic) and beat them into the ground. They can't seem to get through labor negotiations without a lockout.

    But popularity? Who cares. Frankly, I'm with Bill Burr on the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34Gwxilycs

    But it's not about "moving the needle" and it's not about hockey. It's about diversifying your customer base. ESPN has gone all-in on the NBA and the NFL. Anything outside that and you're getting the scraps, even MLB.

    ESPN has done the same thing with NASCAR and soccer when they didn't get the rights to broadcast them. NASCAR fell off the face of the earth on ESPN when they didn't get those rights. For a while there it was on all the time. Like I said, it's a chicken or the egg thing, because are NASCARs ratings down because ESPN won't cover them anymore or is ESPN not covering them anymore because their numbers are down? Who knows? I certainly don't have all that information, and we can talk each other in circles until the end of time.

    The point is - viewers have been leaving in droves, and it's for more than one reason. None of this happens in a vacuum. While hockey fans, or soccer fans, or NASCAR fans, etc. may not be as large of a group as NBA or NFL fans as a while, in aggregate they've alienated so many sports fans by focusing so hard on their "money makers" that there are multiple large chunks of people that don't even bother with ESPN anymore.

    You have to appeal to as many groups as possible, and ESPN kicked a lot of people to the curb. You link that together with how more and more people are streaming/cutting the chord every day, as well as more and more people going to the internet for their information (and ESPN still for some reason insists on having 70% of their worthwhile content behind a paywall) and the end result is this. There are larger populations of people that just don't need to keep cable for ESPN anymore because ESPN doesn't talk about what they care about.

    So, in my opinion, it's short-sighted to look at just hockey, or just soccer, and say "well people don't care about soccer" when ESPN is supposed to be a sports network. Not an NBA/NFL/TMZ network. It doesn't have to be an even split, but the numbers are just so insanely disproportionate that people don't trust ESPN as their source of sports news for so many popular sports. Is hockey as popular as the NBA? No. But it's popular enough that ESPN should care more about it, if for no other reason than to appease that fanbase to keep them interested in their network. Same for soccer. And NASCAR. etc.

    I just think it's bad business. And in my opinion, that's how we got here.
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    The NHL is actually a lot like DMB in a sense. They have a dedicated base of fans who are very into the product but don't garner the same level of national attention as other leagues/acts.
    I agree to an extent, but DMB's popularity has fallen because they're just getting old and stale.


    Hell, I watched some NHL Playoff game last night falling asleep because I get NBC Sports (had no clue until then).

    Hockey is just so regional it's hard to gain interest from casual fans. There's a large portion of the population who has never stepped foot in an ice rink much less play the sport. If I played it growing up I'd watch every night. I just can't relate to it that much.
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    No. Dmb has too many shitty songs. Billy Joel is old and stale but he still sells out msg and ballparks whenever he wants.
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    Look, I'm a diehard hockey fan. It's my favorite sport and even I'll be the first to admit that the NHL isn't perfect. They take a lot of their "wins" (like the Winter Classic) and beat them into the ground. They can't seem to get through labor negotiations without a lockout.

    But popularity? Who cares. Frankly, I'm with Bill Burr on the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34Gwxilycs

    But it's not about "moving the needle" and it's not about hockey. It's about diversifying your customer base. ESPN has gone all-in on the NBA and the NFL. Anything outside that and you're getting the scraps, even MLB.

    ESPN has done the same thing with NASCAR and soccer when they didn't get the rights to broadcast them. NASCAR fell off the face of the earth on ESPN when they didn't get those rights. For a while there it was on all the time. Like I said, it's a chicken or the egg thing, because are NASCARs ratings down because ESPN won't cover them anymore or is ESPN not covering them anymore because their numbers are down? Who knows? I certainly don't have all that information, and we can talk each other in circles until the end of time.

    The point is - viewers have been leaving in droves, and it's for more than one reason. None of this happens in a vacuum. While hockey fans, or soccer fans, or NASCAR fans, etc. may not be as large of a group as NBA or NFL fans as a while, in aggregate they've alienated so many sports fans by focusing so hard on their "money makers" that there are multiple large chunks of people that don't even bother with ESPN anymore.

    You have to appeal to as many groups as possible, and ESPN kicked a lot of people to the curb. You link that together with how more and more people are streaming/cutting the chord every day, as well as more and more people going to the internet for their information (and ESPN still for some reason insists on having 70% of their worthwhile content behind a paywall) and the end result is this. There are larger populations of people that just don't need to keep cable for ESPN anymore because ESPN doesn't talk about what they care about.

    So, in my opinion, it's short-sighted to look at just hockey, or just soccer, and say "well people don't care about soccer" when ESPN is supposed to be a sports network. Not an NBA/NFL/TMZ network. It doesn't have to be an even split, but the numbers are just so insanely disproportionate that people don't trust ESPN as their source of sports news for so many popular sports. Is hockey as popular as the NBA? No. But it's popular enough that ESPN should care more about it, if for no other reason than to appease that fanbase to keep them interested in their network. Same for soccer. And NASCAR. etc.

    I just think it's bad business. And in my opinion, that's how we got here.
    Excellent post. I totally agree.

    There is clearly enough of an audience for ESPN to do more than they do with sports like hockey. If you want to appeal to a mass audience, you need the coverage varieties.
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    No. Dmb has too many shitty songs. Billy Joel is old and stale but he still sells out msg and ballparks whenever he wants.
    DMB has great songs. They just like playing your favorite (Cornbread) too much.
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    ESPN has already way overspent on live rights for the NBA and NFL. Makes sense they wouldn't want to spend another quarter-half billion dollars on a niche sport
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    ESPN has already way overspent on live rights for the NBA and NFL. Makes sense they wouldn't want to spend another quarter-half billion dollars on a niche sport
    No one said they should.
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    I agree to an extent, but DMB's popularity has fallen because they're just getting old and stale.


    Hell, I watched some NHL Playoff game last night falling asleep because I get NBC Sports (had no clue until then).

    Hockey is just so regional it's hard to gain interest from casual fans. There's a large portion of the population who has never stepped foot in an ice rink much less play the sport. If I played it growing up I'd watch every night. I just can't relate to it that much.

    i think that has a lot to do with it. every town in america has a little league baseball association. every school district has a football team. so many kids play those sports growing up. i played baseball from 5 years old up into high school. my parents wouldnt let me play football, but i could have been playing from when i was 8 or 9. and EVERYBODY has played basketball at recess, if not for the school teams growing up.

    those sports are so accessible for kids to learn and grow up loving. there was only one high school that had a hockey team in my area that i knew of. even D1 colleges only have like 60 teams in the country compared to 128 football teams, which are 3 times the size, and over 300 basketball teams.

    to play hockey, or to grow up racing, you really had to just be lucky enough to be born in the right place and under the right circumstances, like having parents who could afford the hobby. maybe i could have been a great racer, but i was never in a position to have he opportunity to find out. a lot of my interest in nascar came from my dad, who was an earnhardt sr fan. and with hockey, i have the penguins AHL team 25 minutes away from home since i was like 10. those were my access points, which a lot of people don't have, even for how basic they are.

    sports in general need to do a better job at getting kids interested, and a lot of that comes from making it accessible for families to actually be able to take their kids. for avalanche games, seats that are center ice in the upper level at $60 a piece. doesn't matter if you're 5 or 50, you pay $60. i know a lot of teams like chicago and detroit dont have trouble selling out, but a lot of people can't afford to go. it would be almost $300 after fees for a family of 4 just to buy decent tickets for hockey game. even sitting in the upper level corners would be $150, not to mention parking and food.

    make the sports more accessible to everyone and they'd be able to build a larger following nation wide. i know some people who were never interested in hockey until they saw their first game in person and then realized what a great sport it in. just need to find a way to give more people that chance to experience it.
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    This post is uneducated.
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