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Old 07-23-2014, 07:37 AM   #31
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Re: Ants Podcast 42: Twittergate - Discussion

and yikes, 2013 was real bad
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    Re: Ants Podcast 42: Twittergate - Discussion

    If dmb plays 110 different songs over a summer tour, but 80 of them were only played once, is that actually variety?
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    Re: Ants Podcast 42: Twittergate - Discussion

    It should be noted that attendance so far this summer is even more impressive considering the size of some of the venues they're playing. Of the 22 shows reported so far, 6 had capacities of less than 17,000. That means that they're selling better in the bigger markets.

    The one thing that might really hurt Alpine moving forward is that sales there were horrific last summer (47,882 / 71,200) while Northerly Island sold out both nights this summer.
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    I'm not jumping down your throat at all. Just stating facts.

    However, per the quote I omitted...

    2009 - 58 shows, 997,158 tickets sold (17,192 per show)
    2010 - 57 shows, 1,052,312 tickets sold (18,461 per show)
    2011 - Caravans
    2012 - 41 shows, 757,629 tickets sold (18,478 per show)
    2013 - 47 shows, 712,088 tickets sold (15,150 per show)
    2014 - Through 22 shows, 397,255 tickets sold (18,057 per show)

    A jump of roughly 3,000 tickets per show is more than a "slight boost" (just as the 3,000 ticket drop between 2012 and 2013 was a huge decline). A difference of a few hundred tickets per show is pretty much on par with what they were averaging between 2009 and 2012 (not including the Caravans). Interestingly enough, the post I copied these stats from was another response from me to you on the same topic.

    And I'm not trying to single you out, but sales stats are inarguable facts.
    Looks like the #dmb2sets gimmick worked.
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    If dmb plays 110 different songs over a summer tour, but 80 of them were only played once, is that actually variety?
    On a per night basis, yes. Assuming 40 shows every night would get 2 unique songs.

    But for the tour absolutely not. Assuming it's a normal tour (i.e. 20 songs per night) and 40 shows, you'd have at least 12 repeats every single night from the previous show.
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    Old 07-23-2014, 08:01 AM   #36
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    Looks like the #dmb2sets gimmick worked.
    Definitely a factor, but I also think it lends at least some support to my theory that a good tour one year means better sales the next.
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    Definitely a factor, but I also think it lends at least some support to my theory that a good tour one year means better sales the next.
    yea that has to be a factor
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    Definitely a factor, but I also think it lends at least some support to my theory that a good tour one year means better sales the next.
    Yeah, I imagine it's a bit of both. The only reason I went to a show this year was b/c of 2sets.
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    Re: Ants Podcast 42: Twittergate - Discussion

    Next person who has PIT from here needs a big sign with stenciled easy to read 2" or bigger lettering saying:

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    Old 07-23-2014, 08:13 AM   #40
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    Next person who has PIT from here needs a big sign with stenciled easy to read 2" or bigger lettering saying:

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    I'm gonna say the reaction would be


    prognosis: negative
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    Old 07-23-2014, 08:17 AM   #42
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    Dave just about lost his mind at Jones Beach a couple years back when a fan gave him a thumbs down at the start of WAYG. I think he might order someone with that sign shot.
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    Dave just about lost his mind at Jones Beach a couple years back when a fan gave him a thumbs down at the start of WAYG.
    I'd love to see that
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    Sometimes I wonder how much "Dave just plays what he wants" is because the rest of the band is so chill with him that they lay back and mostly let him do everything. There are instances over the past few tours where we can gather, basically using social media, that suggestions were made to him. In those instances, it seems like he does whatever they ask. Halloween at Hartford N2 in 2012 was a twitter suggestion from Fonz. I was under the impression that Minarets at Mansfield and Typical at Deer Creek were TDed under similar circumstances (Fonz informing Dave of various twitter campaigns). I seem to also recall Fonz attributing a TD of Ants replacing Squirm on the setlist at Atlanta 2012 to Carter. We know that they played True Reflections at Mansfield last year because Boyd asked Dave if they could. And this year, although LYD has not been played, many of the rarer songs that have been in semi-rotation (PFWYG, Stolen Away, GGT, IBYU) were from Fonz's twitter survey, which I assume means they were his suggestions as well. Hell, didn't Dave say something like "good call, Fonz" right after they TDed Rhyme & Reason a few weeks ago? Is it possible that "Dave just plays what he wants" because the rest of the band doesn't actually say much? I know Fonz makes it seem like he wants to dive deeper into the rarities from time to time on twitter, but is it possible that when it comes to his relationship with Dave, he doesn't actually say much?
    no it wasn't.


    There was a Twitter campaign, yes, but the band already knew that Halloween hadn't been played in Hartford.

    The Twitter campaign to get Halloween had as much with it getting played as a rally cap makes hitters find the gaps.
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    wait, rally caps don't work?
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    Dave just about lost his mind at Jones Beach a couple years back when a fan gave him a thumbs down at the start of WAYG. I think he might order someone with that sign shot.


    I got kicked out of the Alice in Chains show last year for my sign, not by the band but by Live Nation security, bunch of jackasses. At least it was during the last song of the night, plus we got four free VIP tickets from them as an apology for any 2014 show (we went to DMB).

    Their roadie Baldy wrote about it here, the story is quite long but has a happy ending as it's clear when you read the comments that Mike Inez (bass player) understood the sign was in no way disparaging about the album itself, he ended up putting the sign in his touring bass rack. \m/ \m/

    http://www.aliceinchains.com/blog/da...e-august-11th/

    Actually the comments have all been deleted which is odd, but here's Mike's bass case - https://twitter.com/maniacon99/statu...383744/photo/1
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    I probably have not followed this tour close enough, and have not attended any shows live, although I did catch the Jacksonville webcast.. I can understand both sides of this argument from a fan perspective. On the one hand it has been great to see some of these songs played acoustically and i have gained a new respect for Snow Outside.. Good Good time came back.. and Minarets is awesome to see in regular rotation. After reading through the comments here it seems like the fan unrest with the setlists is due to 3 things:
    1) unpopular Songs getting played- Can't Stop, Mercy, WAYG, Y&M.. seems like tour debuts get pulled from this category, whats next "smooth Rider", "Hunger", "Angel"? (although we did get YNK too recently) instead of debuting from the next list (#2) below....
    2) desired songs not getting played - 3rd verse Grey Street, Full Blue Water, Hello Again, Monkey Man, Let You Down, Beauty of Wynona, Last Stop, Dreaming Tree, Fool to Think (ok i like it), Kill the King, Black Jack, Sugar Will, Crazy Easy, SUAD, Deed is Done.. i don't know what else can they pull out of their hat?.. remove a few clunkers and replace with a few of these and we have a great tour!
    3) Placement of songs.. (e.g. Shake Me, Why I am, Grey Street as Encore closers) - ok how many songs are considered great for encore closers: Last Stop, Ants, AATW, Halloween, Tripping Billies.. and how should the band add new closers from more recent albums to avoid only rotating from the above standard list? - it seems that key songs are: set opener, set closer, encore opener (soft song - dave only), encore closer (epic song with high energy).. and also important are "great runs" during the set.. good flow song to song (segues).. avoid multiple clunkers in a row..

    Ok what DMB needs is a software package on their Ipads.. which has all the statistics from current and past tours but also adds in current fan opinions from social media, then it would help them formulate the best setlist for each night.. logic would be built in to avoid repeats, to play songs not previously heard at that venue.. etc.. just like many sports teams employ statisticians in their front office - DMB could employ one and take them on the road.. the position could be called "Setlist advisor" .. hmmmm any thoughts?
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    no it wasn't.


    There was a Twitter campaign, yes, but the band already knew that Halloween hadn't been played in Hartford.

    The Twitter campaign to get Halloween had as much with it getting played as a rally cap makes hitters find the gaps.

    Sorry, Jake. you're right. I believe an Ant sent that tweet to Fonz regarding Halloween having never been played at Hartford and then Fonz responded with something like "I will make this known." Minarets and Typical were more of a classic/literal "twitter campaign." By "similar circumstances" I meant twitter influence/communication generally. But you're right, there is a distinction. Either way, my point is that when we know Fonz/Carter/Boyd have actually made a suggestion, Dave seems to abide.
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    Sorry, Jake. you're right. I believe an Ant sent that tweet to Fonz regarding Halloween having never been played at Hartford and then Fonz responded with something like "I will make this known." Minarets and Typical were more of a classic/literal "twitter campaign." By "similar circumstances" I meant twitter influence/communication generally. But you're right, there is a distinction. Either way, my point is that when we know Fonz/Carter/Boyd have actually made a suggestion, Dave seems to abide.
    They already knew. Trust me.
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    They already knew. Trust me.
    Ok, I do. I always thought it was an Ant because that was the information I was privy to, but who am I to argue. I will no longer cite that as an example of Dave being receptive to a Fonz suggestion.
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    Twitter campaigns are worthless.

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    wait, rally caps don't work?
    Rally caps work, though. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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    Ok, I do. I always thought it was an Ant because that was the information I was privy to, but who am I to argue. I will no longer cite that as an example of Dave being receptive to a Fonz suggestion.
    he wishes he was the reason it was played..
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    Rally caps work, though. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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    Re: Ants Podcast 42: Twittergate - Discussion

    The assumption made during the conversation that the members of Ants represent the feelings of the bands fan base at large is grossly overstated. I know many fans that won't go near the Ants site due to the general negativity displayed on the site. This is not necessarily my opinion, just what I have heard.

    It may have been true 10 years ago or at some time in the past that the people on this site represented the fan base at large. That does not seem to me to be the case in 2014.

    Just my two cents.
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    he wishes he was the reason it was played..
    You're 100% sure? Because that was pretty coincidental.
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    You're 100% sure? Because that was pretty coincidental.
    I'm 100% sure. I've only been saying it since that weekend. Don't you think I should know for sure?
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    I'm 100% sure. I've only been saying it since that weekend. Don't you think I should know for sure?
    I didn't know you've been saying saying that the whole time. I also didnt think it would be out of the realm of possibility for a Band member to suggest a song and actually have it set-listed.
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    no it wasn't.


    There was a Twitter campaign, yes, but the band already knew that Halloween hadn't been played in Hartford.

    The Twitter campaign to get Halloween had as much with it getting played as a rally cap makes hitters find the gaps.
    maybe I need to start a campaign for Halloween in The Woodlands since it has never been played there either
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