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Old 07-17-2017, 09:57 AM   #31
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    Kind of sad it takes 3+ years of planning to put together a track listing of 25 rare songs for a band of this size.

    Thats not to say its not appreciated, just surprising they have so few resources to devote the time to get something like this done in a timely fashion.

    Makes me highly doubt any future stuff like this.
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    Old 07-17-2017, 01:54 PM   #33
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    Brett, I totally agree with you. I have a record player and I would love to buy it on vinyl more than any other format but it being over $200 with everything included, I just can't do that right now. So for people who don't have $200 plus to spend nor have a record player, there has to be another option. CD or digital download, has to be a secondary option.

    If it doesn't, I definitely lose respect for the band and co. because it makes them come off as capitalistic pigs.
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    I think its an absolute joke that this possibly isn't getting released in other formats. All the money the majority of people have spent to support this band through the years, and this is how we are thanked?

    Someone will make the arguments that there is a ton of content out there already that we can download if we want, but truthfully its all become the same to me... I stopped buying live trax, and dmblive because nothing separates them for me anymore. It's all starting to sound too similar. Same songs selections, perhaps great performances, but not distinguishable enough to keep me interested in spending money. I don't need more ants, two steps, or crashes in my collection, with the occasional "greatest performance ever" of if i had it all sprinkled in. I need the break for its, falling off the roofs, etc... to keep the collection fresh and exciting.

    This would/will be a nice way to rejuvenate my interest because it was different, and they blew/are blowing it for me personally by making the decision to have this vinyl only.

    My take, don't really care how others feel about my opinions. It is what it is. Happy for those who have the ability, and the means, to afford and hear these.
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    Brett, I totally agree with you. I have a record player and I would love to buy it on vinyl more than any other format but it being over $200 with everything included, I just can't do that right now. So for people who don't have $200 plus to spend nor have a record player, there has to be another option. CD or digital download, has to be a secondary option.

    If it doesn't, I definitely lose respect for the band and co. because it makes them come off as capitalistic pigs.
    Not capitalism! No!

    At least Dave and Tim are selling Mexico resort trips for the pure love of the music.
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    Brett, I totally agree with you. I have a record player and I would love to buy it on vinyl more than any other format but it being over $200 with everything included, I just can't do that right now. So for people who don't have $200 plus to spend nor have a record player, there has to be another option. CD or digital download, has to be a secondary option.

    If it doesn't, I definitely lose respect for the band and co. because it makes them come off as capitalistic pigs.
    "The vinyl is just a capitalistic pig move! They'd make more money if they'd do the thing I want!"
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    "lose respect for the band" over a vinyl only release?

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    Old 07-17-2017, 02:26 PM   #37
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    Brett, I totally agree with you. I have a record player and I would love to buy it on vinyl more than any other format but it being over $200 with everything included, I just can't do that right now. So for people who don't have $200 plus to spend nor have a record player, there has to be another option. CD or digital download, has to be a secondary option.

    If it doesn't, I definitely lose respect for the band and co. because it makes them come off as capitalistic pigs.
    So let me get this straight. If the band only releases 2500 of these on vinyl for $175 and makes a maximum revenue of of ~437,000, they are greedy bastards. But if they had released this on both vinyl and had a digital/CD release to make more than 437,000 in revenue they are some being more altruistic by seeking more money?

    You know I really would like Warriors courtside season tickets for $50 dollars or an 80 inch OLED TV for $75 and these companies that won't give me the product I want at the price point I want it are evil bastards.
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    My main point is that people have been buying the same, repetitive, songs via digital releases, or cds, for years now. The songs getting their first release should be made available to those who have supported the band by buying 50+ different two steps for the last 15+years of live releases that have been sold.

    I get why management is doing it (and we still don't know if there isnt't a digital option coming), I personally just think it sucks if there won't be. That's all.

    My options will be to purchase, and listen, to a new live trax that contains a ton of things im exhausted by, or continue listening to what ive already purchased. The final option is to not listen to them at all, which unfortunately is starting to happen with me.

    I need new, and fresh.

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    Old 07-17-2017, 03:45 PM   #39
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    The release is a very cool idea. I'm not spending $175 to hear it, but I also understand the purchasers not wanting them to release it on any other format. If they do that, then the price tag should be wayyy down. In other words, I'm fine accepting that I may never hear these tracks simply because I think it's overpriced and I don't see the price tag/worth aligning.
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    Old 07-17-2017, 05:49 PM   #41
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    Kind of sad it takes 3+ years of planning to put together a track listing of 25 rare songs for a band of this size.

    Thats not to say its not appreciated, just surprising they have so few resources to devote the time to get something like this done in a timely fashion.

    Makes me highly doubt any future stuff like this.
    Didn't take 3 years of planning. There's literally nothing sad about the planning of this project


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    Didn't take 3 years of planning. There's literally nothing sad about the planning of this project


    You do not know of what you speak
    You said they contacted you in late 13 or early 14, did you not?

    Means they were at least thinking about it then. I'm sure it was probably on the back burner for awhile but still lends to the fact that they can't get something like this out without a substantial amount of planning.

    If you want to elaborate on the process I'd be interested to hear.
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    Old 07-17-2017, 07:31 PM   #43
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    Not capitalism! No!

    At least Dave and Tim are selling Mexico resort trips for the pure love of the music.
    No one said anything about love of the music. People want this particular release. It has nothing to do with your stance of other material being available. We want and are willing to pay for this material of they release it on a format 90% of the music buying public uses.

    Shows and releases are apples and oranges. They tour the country so everyone has a reasonable opportunity to see them. Live releases are for everyone no matter where they live because they can be easily reproduced. The Mexico shows and this live relesse have nothing in common.
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    You said they contacted you in late 13 or early 14, did you not?

    Means they were at least thinking about it then. I'm sure it was probably on the back burner for awhile but still lends to the fact that they can't get something like this out without a substantial amount of planning.

    If you want to elaborate on the process I'd be interested to hear.
    You don't know when it was completed.
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    You don't know when it was completed.
    Why did they wait until 7 months into the bands 26th year to release this? Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to sell around Christmas?
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    You don't know when it was completed.
    Wellll when was it completed then, Mr. Jake? I feel like you can elaborate but you're just not willing to. Am I getting warmer??
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    You said they contacted you in late 13 or early 14, did you not?

    Means they were at least thinking about it then. I'm sure it was probably on the back burner for awhile but still lends to the fact that they can't get something like this out without a substantial amount of planning.

    If you want to elaborate on the process I'd be interested to hear.
    Honestly, most well done vinyl releases take substantial time. VMP recently remastered and pressed, for the first time ever, Fiona Apple's Tidal. It was a nearly 3 year process in all, and it was a great release.

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    Why did they wait until 7 months into the bands 26th year to release this? Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to sell around Christmas?
    Pressing delays are not really uncommon. I have a few things on pre-order that were slated for early 2017 releases and still have not shipped. There's not enough presses for the influx of demand; plus you have RSD twice a year which seems to get priority over other releases.

    Or, they figured it would be a good time for a release with the "off-year" and the D&T tour done
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    Won't be getting this release simply because I don't have a vinyl player. Well actually I think my parents may have one in the attic but who knows if it works or not. It's so fucking old and has Ben rotting away in the attic for years.
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    I'm on team "this need to be released in a digital format"
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    why do 73% of podcasts these days consist of dudes sitting around talking about food?
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