Family History

[Jake]

if you wanted to take part in Ancestry.com's $69 DNA test on Cyber Monday, don't bother... their site crashed 5 hours ago and still isn't up

[justink]

Originally Posted by Jake

if you wanted to take part in Ancestry.com's $69 DNA test on Cyber Monday, don't bother... their site crashed 5 hours ago and still isn't up

i did that about five years ago... meh...

every once in a while i will get an email from western russia telling me i'm jewish. which is cool. explains my liver's ability to eliminate toxins. but it never evolves into anything.

and i have actually since asked ancestry and me23 to delete my sample because law enforcement agencies have started using their database... and i still get emails. so... wtf.

no tin foil hat, i wouldn't do it if i were you.

[Julia Roberts]

Originally Posted by justink

i did that about five years ago... meh...

every once in a while i will get an email from western russia telling me i'm jewish. which is cool. explains my liver's ability to eliminate toxins. but it never evolves into anything.

and i have actually since asked ancestry and me23 to delete my sample because law enforcement agencies have started using their database... and i still get emails. so... wtf.

no tin foil hat, i wouldn't do it if i were you.

Is law enforcement closing in on you? #pizzagate

I agree about meh. It told me "congratulations you are actually related to people in your tree that you already knew you were related to." And it old me that I am 85% British. With a last name like mine that was not surprising. But it also confirmed that I'm less than 1% of any sort of non-white, which means I am awful.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by justink

i did that about five years ago... meh...

every once in a while i will get an email from western russia telling me i'm jewish. which is cool. explains my liver's ability to eliminate toxins. but it never evolves into anything.

and i have actually since asked ancestry and me23 to delete my sample because law enforcement agencies have started using their database... and i still get emails. so... wtf.

no tin foil hat, i wouldn't do it if i were you.

how does law enforcement have the ability to access the data? They'd need a warrant, and a Utah warrant at that (in the case of Ancestry)

I could possibly see following a specific lead but just blindly searching seems... odd.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

Is law enforcement closing in on you? #pizzagate

I agree about meh. It told me "congratulations you are actually related to people in your tree that you already knew you were related to." And it old me that I am 85% British. With a last name like mine that was not surprising. But it also confirmed that I'm less than 1% of any sort of non-white, which means I am awful.

that's kinda my thing: it's not going to tell me anything I don't know unless it comes back that I got a tiny bit of African in me; that would explain my dancing ability. But the only way it would shock me is if something I expected didn't show (like Russian or Native American)

[justink]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

Is law enforcement closing in on you? #pizzagate

I agree about meh. It told me "congratulations you are actually related to people in your tree that you already knew you were related to." And it old me that I am 85% British. With a last name like mine that was not surprising. But it also confirmed that I'm less than 1% of any sort of non-white, which means I am awful.

Originally Posted by Jake

how does law enforcement have the ability to access the data? They'd need a warrant, and a Utah warrant at that (in the case of Ancestry)

I could possibly see following a specific lead but just blindly searching seems... odd.

can't find the story (i'm not looking that hard either), but they actually wrongly filed charges on someone for a rape his dad or brother did (because, 'close enough!'), using these databases... but that innocent black man didn't get reimbursed for his legal bills or month in jail...

http://mashable.com/2016/03/26/law-e.../#eS.rv0lsGkq3

http://thescienceexplorer.com/techno...arge-you-crime

http://fusion.net/story/215204/law-e...customers-dna/

[justink]

Originally Posted by justink

can't find the story (i'm not looking that hard either), but they actually wrongly filed charges on someone for a rape his dad or brother did (because, 'close enough!'), using these databases... but that innocent black man didn't get reimbursed for his legal bills or month in jail...

http://mashable.com/2016/03/26/law-e.../#eS.rv0lsGkq3

http://thescienceexplorer.com/techno...arge-you-crime

http://fusion.net/story/215204/law-e...customers-dna/

and if they DO have a warrant for some quasi-specific sequence, who's to say more dna sequences won't fall under "fair use/plain sight of algorithm"? all that bullshit is subjective to a judge.

[Jake]

well I bit the bullet and did it anyway... if I end up in jail avenge my death.


I should be 25% Italian (or maybe 20 depending how accurate it is)
25% Eastern European
13% Irish/Scottish
35% Western European
and the rest a mix of Native American and some other random junk


we'll see how close I come to that

[justink]

i just logged into 23andme again. clearly they didn't delete my shit.

99.9%
European

Northwestern European
38.4%

French & German
35.2%

Scandinavian
0.8%

British & Irish
0.3%

Finnish
24.6%

Broadly Northwestern European
0.5%

Broadly European
< 0.1%

East Asian & Native American

East Asian
< 0.1%
Yakut
0.1%
Unassigned

i'm a French, German, Scandinavian Jew.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by justink

i just logged into 23andme again. clearly they didn't delete my shit.

99.9%
European

Northwestern European
38.4%

French & German
35.2%

Scandinavian
0.8%

British & Irish
0.3%

Finnish
24.6%

Broadly Northwestern European
0.5%

Broadly European
< 0.1%

East Asian & Native American

East Asian
< 0.1%
Yakut
0.1%
Unassigned

i'm a French, German, Scandinavian Jew.

I wonder how far back that truly goes? in theory, we all have a bit of Asian in us. I wonder if that's thousands of years or just a random relative at some point.

[justink]

Originally Posted by Jake

I wonder how far back that truly goes? in theory, we all have a bit of Asian in us. I wonder if that's thousands of years or just a random relative at some point.

i mean, it's dna. it goes as far back as mitochondrial dna goes. i "think" thats why they put me as Lily Mendel as my "mom".

that's the dna split.

supposedly, and i know you're a history guy, east asia split from africa earlier than europe. or, if they left africa at the same time, they went east first, before west to europe. so that kinda makes sense...

i'd be more interested in what percentage non homo erectus we are. i want to know what other homo status we are.

99.9%
European

Northwestern European
38.4%
French & German
35.2%
Scandinavian
0.8%
British & Irish
0.3%
Finnish
24.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
0.5%
Broadly European
< 0.1%
East Asian & Native American

East Asian
< 0.1%
Yakut
0.1%
Unassigned
100%
Lilly Mendel (Mom)

[Julia Roberts]

Originally Posted by justink

i want to know what other homo status we are.

That's gay.

Just checked mine again.

75% British
10% Western Europe
5% Irish

10% grab bag of Scandinavian, Iberian Peninsula, Italian, Greek, etc

[justink]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

That's gay.

Just checked mine again.

75% British
10% Western Europe
5% Irish

10% grab bag of Scandinavian, Iberian Peninsula, Italian, Greek, etc

shall we have biscuits with our tea then?

[justink]

i'm polish, german, french and russian catholic jew. all of a sudden, i feel like i'm Die Antword.

mutt as fuck

[Julia Roberts]

Originally Posted by justink

shall we have biscuits with our tea then?

Sounds positively delightful.

[justink]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

Sounds positively delightful.

tell your lord to email my lord, and let's make it happen, shall we?

[jaking1185]

I'm going to try Ancestry.com's test. I know I'm roughly 75% Native American but I'd like to know what the rest is.

[justink]

here's one of the cases i was talking about:

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/famili...rime-suspects/

[zajDmB1]

What's the best one for doing this? Me23? And use my 86 year old grandfather, right?

I'm definitely very Polish from my dad's side, as my last name is polish, his parents both came here from Poland, and we have decent info up until my dad's great grandfather.

Mom's side is German/Austrian and Irish. Her Irish great-grandmother's name is on the wall at Ellis Island, and we know her grandfather came here in like the 20s I think, but we don't know too much beyond that and my grandfather doesn't really remember.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

What's the best one for doing this? Me23? And use my 86 year old grandfather, right?

I'm definitely very Polish from my dad's side, as my last name is polish, his parents both came here from Poland, and we have decent info up until my dad's great grandfather.

Mom's side is German/Austrian and Irish. Her Irish great-grandmother's name is on the wall at Ellis Island, and we know her grandfather came here in like the 20s I think, but we don't know too much beyond that and my grandfather doesn't really remember.

The thing is if you use your grandfather you're missing out on 2 generations of DNA (your grandma & then your mothers side)


From what I read it depends on what you're looking to find. I only did Ancestry bc it was on sale. 23 and me seems a bit more complete Stink can probably go into detail


to the Bolded, you can find them at familysearch.org search in the 1930 census.



What I'd do is search last name, and residence (for New York use the borough or county), and range 1930-1930. Then choose US and State and you should be able to locate em

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by Jake

The thing is if you use your grandfather you're missing out on 2 generations of DNA (your grandma & then your mothers side)


From what I read it depends on what you're looking to find. I only did Ancestry bc it was on sale. 23 and me seems a bit more complete Stink can probably go into detail


to the Bolded, you can find them at familysearch.org search in the 1930 census.



What I'd do is search last name, and residence (for New York use the borough or county), and range 1930-1930. Then choose US and State and you should be able to locate em

First bold, I thought I read it's better to use the oldest male person to find the most info. I guess yea, we'd obviously have to do my dad's side too through my dad, since his parents are dead, but I could have sworn I read something about men having a better reading or something? I dunno, could have misunderstood.

I guess for that I mean it'd be better to use him as opposed to his daughter (my mom) or his wife.

To the last part, my parents/grandparents have come into the city to look at census records and couldn't find him for some reason. We don't know exactly what year he came, his name may have been spelled different/wrong, or he was just such a poor immigrant shlub nobody gave a shit and he just waltzed off a boat and went to the Lower East Side.

But I am going to send her that link, not sure if she's checked. Thanks!

[jnovo22]

All I know for sure, is that my maternal Grandparents are FOB Polish. Somehow got out before the German occupation. My mom was the youngest of 3, born in 1953. That's a story I'm really interested in.

My dad's side is mostly Polish and a little German. I've been told I'm 80% polish, with German making up the bulk of the rest. I'll probably do one of those ancestry tests next year.

[daveshookme]

The story of my dad's parents fleeing Hungary during the revolution is a riveting story. Literally went to work, heard there was a bus leaving, and they went AWOL from work. arrived in America with whatever they went to work with that day (about $5 USD cash, and the clothes they were wearing). Pulled into NY Harbor as dawn broke NYD '57.

My grandfather had been a political prisoner for a while, and when he left he wasn't allowed back in for a number of years. Ended up meeting a few popes and some POTUS'.

[CrashTheStone41]

My grandfather had a book sent to him from a distant relative that was writing the history of our family and got to my family part but did not have any information. the guy went back to early 1300s of Scotland and traced the lineage all the way to present. He asked if we could send a brief paragraph biography on each family member, so I wrote up some stuff and mailed him. A couple months later he sent me a final copy of his book. It's on a bookshelf at my gradnfathers. Pretty neat and kinda creepy too

[daveshookme]

Originally Posted by justink

i mean, it's dna. it goes as far back as mitochondrial dna goes. i "think" thats why they put me as Lily Mendel as my "mom".

that's the dna split.

supposedly, and i know you're a history guy, east asia split from africa earlier than europe. or, if they left africa at the same time, they went east first, before west to europe. so that kinda makes sense...

i'd be more interested in what percentage non homo erectus we are. i want to know what other homo status we are.

99.9%
European

Northwestern European
38.4%
French & German
35.2%
Scandinavian
0.8%
British & Irish
0.3%
Finnish
24.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
0.5%
Broadly European
< 0.1%
East Asian & Native American

East Asian
< 0.1%
Yakut
0.1%
Unassigned
100%
Lilly Mendel (Mom)

I'm curious into the origination of, like, "northwest european". It doesn't make sense to me, can somebody explain it?

Where I'm hung up on is, say, what makes me a certain % this and a certain % that, when THOSE ancestors had to have come from somewhere. How do they figure out where the lineage stops where they can trace it back to a specific region? I was born in England, but yet I'm still 50% Hungarian, and then a mutt for the other 50%.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

First bold, I thought I read it's better to use the oldest male person to find the most info. I guess yea, we'd obviously have to do my dad's side too through my dad, since his parents are dead, but I could have sworn I read something about men having a better reading or something? I dunno, could have misunderstood.

I guess for that I mean it'd be better to use him as opposed to his daughter (my mom) or his wife.

To the last part, my parents/grandparents have come into the city to look at census records and couldn't find him for some reason. We don't know exactly what year he came, his name may have been spelled different/wrong, or he was just such a poor immigrant shlub nobody gave a shit and he just waltzed off a boat and went to the Lower East Side.

But I am going to send her that link, not sure if she's checked. Thanks!

bolded: if you need specifics, email me or hit me up in + I'll provide a bit more detail

Originally Posted by jnovo22

All I know for sure, is that my maternal Grandparents are FOB Polish. Somehow got out before the German occupation. My mom was the youngest of 3, born in 1953. That's a story I'm really interested in.

My dad's side is mostly Polish and a little German. I've been told I'm 80% polish, with German making up the bulk of the rest. I'll probably do one of those ancestry tests next year.

I think you'll be surprised to find that you're not as German/Polish as you thought.

Originally Posted by daveshookme

The story of my dad's parents fleeing Hungary during the revolution is a riveting story. Literally went to work, heard there was a bus leaving, and they went AWOL from work. arrived in America with whatever they went to work with that day (about $5 USD cash, and the clothes they were wearing). Pulled into NY Harbor as dawn broke NYD '57.

My grandfather had been a political prisoner for a while, and when he left he wasn't allowed back in for a number of years. Ended up meeting a few popes and some POTUS'.

that's the kind of stuff I find fascinating; the story behind the how and why people came from the old country

Originally Posted by CrashTheStone41

My grandfather had a book sent to him from a distant relative that was writing the history of our family and got to my family part but did not have any information. the guy went back to early 1300s of Scotland and traced the lineage all the way to present. He asked if we could send a brief paragraph biography on each family member, so I wrote up some stuff and mailed him. A couple months later he sent me a final copy of his book. It's on a bookshelf at my gradnfathers. Pretty neat and kinda creepy too

those things are cool but they are a bit buyer beware. I have a book that sources part of my family (the Ogletree/Ochiltree) back to Robert the Bruce. Problem is it skips 5 generations. There's a lot of stuff like that.


And don't forget that back to the 1300's you'd have over a million direct relatives so it's just a tiny portion of your family

[DMBstandUP1984]

The spelling of my last name changed a few generations ago so no clue where I would even begin.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Yeah Jake I don't know even beyond my grandparents so where do I even start?

[mr. testaverde]

my dad and his family moved from Poland in 1960. my grandparents lived through the atrocities of the german invasion in WWII. my grandma's stories, that she's opening up about more and more these days, are just un-friggin-believable she saw some things that still freak her out to this day. amazing woman, she and her husband just packed up and moved their family across the ocean to get away from there

[cry_minarets458]

These things where you send in DNA and they do mapping, how do they protect privacy? What happens with the sample they use? Always thought about doing it, but if they're assessing for comparisons based on DNA sequences and location or whatever, I wasn't sure how I felt about my DNA going somewhere to be analyzed. Idk, tough to explain what I'm thinking.