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Old 01-06-2010, 11:59 AM   #121
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Re: Steve Lillywhite - "Found MacHead"

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Well, on many of those, I don't think it was his production that was the problem.
He is generally considered one of the most annoying producers to work with. People come back because the end result is usually very good; but he's very pushy and antagonistic. That works for some people, others it doesn't. The most established you are as a band (usually) the less you take his shit.

But also, how can we give him credit when an album is great (UTTAD) but not fault him when one sucks (How to Dismantle and Atomic Bomb, Naked by Talking Heads etc)
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    Re: Steve Lillywhite - "Found MacHead"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv2qBsayBY8

    guys the wait is over I found it on YouTube
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    This needs to leak...stat.
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    Re: Steve Lillywhite - "Found MacHead"

    This song can't possibly live up to the mythology that we've put on it.
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    I can't think of the last great album that Lillywhite produced. He's done the mix for some really good ones: No Line on the Horizon, All That You Can't Leave Behind (received producer credit though only mixed a few songs.) Carry On by Cornell was alright. I don't know why people think he's God's gift to producing.
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    This song can't possibly live up to the mythology that we've put on it.
    This is true. Thats why, if we get to hear it, people need to go in thinking "cool, i'm interested to hear this", not "this is going to be the greatest song ever". I mean it would be an interesting bit of music to hear, but its not even a finished song...
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    This song can't possibly live up to the mythology that we've put on it.
    Exactly. If we hear it will get a lot of "Well, it's got potential."
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    This song can't possibly live up to the mythology that we've put on it.
    i think this is right, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. i think that although sometimes intense curiosity ruins things, and prolly will for this song (given the immense buildup), it'll be just REALLY cool to finally hear it and it will also be cool to wonder what it could have sounded like if it ever was finished. fingers crossed.
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    Old 01-06-2010, 12:33 PM   #131
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    This is true. Thats why, if we get to hear it, people need to go in thinking "cool, i'm interested to hear this", not "this is going to be the greatest song ever". I mean it would be an interesting bit of music to hear, but its not even a finished song...
    Yep, and if it truly was so incredible, don't you think the band and Lillywhite would have wanted to complete it and put it on the album? I think it's gonna be like Build You a House... an interesting concept but not mind blowing.
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    Re: Steve Lillywhite - "Found MacHead"

    so....sum up


    he found it..that's it?
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    Old 01-06-2010, 12:38 PM   #133
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    so....sum up


    he found it..that's it?
    Yesterday RobbTheRevelatr (I think) asked him about it on his radio show. He said he had it and said something like, "Oh yeah, I should dig that out." One could easily assume he was just saying that to placate the hysterical DMB fanbase and had no real intention of doing so, but today he twittered and said he found it. Jake (@snakemonkey) and he had a brief Twitter exchange about it. We all hope he'll play it next Tuesday, which he hinted at yesterday, but didn't guarantee. We are also worried that the more we talk about it, the more likely DMB management will try to discourage him from playing it, but obviously we're not going to stop talking about it so we're still talking about it.

    That's it.
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    this is true but more effort in the studio would mean less on stage so i'll sacrifice album/songwriting quality for an extensive touring schedule and awesome live performances. Dave will never be considered one of the world's great songwriters so why should he even try? they're known as being an awesome live act so they should keep focusing on that.
    There is so much wrong with this post it's unbelievable.

    For starters, how do you know with certainty that "more effort in the studio would mean less on stage"? It sure seemed like Dave was working damn hard to make the first three records great and their touring schedule and quality of performance didn't suffer at all. Moreover, you damn well better care about the quality of the band's albums and songwriting, because both have a very direct correlation with the quality of a given tour. Why do you think people are so fond of 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2009 while both 2001 and 2005 are generally not well liked? I know you're relatively new to the community, but to say that the live shows won't suffer if the songwriting does it just asinine. However, the thing that really gets me here is the ridiculous question you pose: "Dave will never be considered one of the world's great songwriters so why should he even try?" Gee, I dunno. Maybe because he should take his craft seriously. Maybe because he should want to release the best possible material and have some pride what gets released. Or maybe because he should challenge himself to be the best, or at least strive to get his name into the conversation. Honestly, the fact that you asked that question seriously and without sarcasm makes it one of the single most ballwashingly sickening comments I have ever seen on AM.org (and that's saying something).

    What do you want DMB to become? Do you want a nostalgia act, one that just plays standard hits every night mixed in with a bunch of new songs no one wants to hear? Or, do you want a band that gives a shit, that writes songs people actually care about, to write lyrics that blow people's minds and music that does the same? If you want the former, I feel incredibly sorry for you.
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    This song can't possibly live up to the mythology that we've put on it.
    Agreed. There is no way this song will EVER live up to what we want it to.
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    There is so much wrong with this post it's unbelievable.

    For starters, how do you know with certainty that "more effort in the studio would mean less on stage"? It sure seemed like Dave was working damn hard to make the first three records great and their touring schedule and quality of performance didn't suffer at all. Moreover, you damn well better care about the quality of the band's albums and songwriting, because both have a very direct correlation with the quality of a given tour. Why do you think people are so fond of 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2009 while both 2001 and 2005 are generally not well liked? I know you're relatively new to the community, but to say that the live shows won't suffer if the songwriting does it just asinine. However, the thing that really gets me here is the ridiculous question you pose: "Dave will never be considered one of the world's great songwriters so why should he even try?" Gee, I dunno. Maybe because he should take his craft seriously. Maybe because he should want to release the best possible material and have some pride what gets released. Or maybe because he should challenge himself to be the best, or at least strive to get his name into the conversation. Honestly, the fact that you asked that question seriously and without sarcasm makes it one of the single most ballwashingly sickening comments I have ever seen on AM.org (and that's saying something).

    What do you want DMB to become? Do you want a nostalgia act, one that just plays standard hits every night mixed in with a bunch of new songs no one wants to hear? Or, do you want a band that gives a shit, that writes songs people actually care about, to write lyrics that blow people's minds and music that does the same? If you want the former, I feel incredibly sorry for you.
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    What do you want DMB to become? Do you want a nostalgia act, one that just plays standard hits every night mixed in with a bunch of new songs no one wants to hear? Or, do you want a band that gives a shit, that writes songs people actually care about, to write lyrics that blow people's minds and music that does the same? If you want the former, I feel incredibly sorry for you.
    One could argue that's already happened, even with the release of Big Whiskey

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    Orrrrr....lillywhite's well had run dry
    Please. Lillywhite's well had run dry? That's why many people feel that if tLWS had been completed in the state they were in, it would've been the bands best work by far. But Lillywhite's well had run dry?

    Its simple. The band is lazy in the studio. Lillywhite pushed them while in the studio. See where that would cause an issue?

    Did you not read the article I posted for you yesterday? Did you not watch "The Road to Big Whiskey"? It's all explained.

    Yet, you call him a douchebag and make comments like this. Personally, I think you have your head up your ass.
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    He is generally considered one of the most annoying producers to work with. People come back because the end result is usually very good; but he's very pushy and antagonistic. That works for some people, others it doesn't. The most established you are as a band (usually) the less you take his shit.

    But also, how can we give him credit when an album is great (UTTAD) but not fault him when one sucks (How to Dismantle and Atomic Bomb, Naked by Talking Heads etc)
    Can't argue with the first paragraph.. I've heard that as well.

    On the second, the question is.. when you say one sucks, are you saying its because the production is bad? Because I thought the songs on atomic bomb were lacking.. would better production have improved that? I don't think so.

    What I love about that show is how Steve talks about when he screwed up. He'll tell you he was the wrong producer for the wrong artist on more than one occasion. A bit of a side note here - He decided to not do GNR's Chinese Democracy because he knew he wasn't the right guy for it. In the end it's because he thinks the rest of the band made good music, but Axl's voice is shit. I thought that was funny.
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    Please. Lillywhite's well had run dry? That's why many people feel that if tLWS had been completed in the state they were in, it would've been the bands best work by far. But Lillywhite's well had run dry?
    If the Lillywhite Sessions had been finished and released and Everyday never happened, we would without question be talking about the Big Four.

    I hate the fact that management or RCA or whoever was like, "it's too dark, do something happier, work with this shitty producer who looks like a homeless person instead" when the fans LOVED those songs and they were released in watered down fashion two years later anyway.
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    If the Lillywhite Sessions had been finished and released and Everyday never happened, we would without question be talking about the Big Four.

    I hate the fact that management or RCA or whoever was like, "it's too dark, do something happier, work with this shitty producer who looks like a homeless person instead" when the fans LOVED those songs and they were released in watered down fashion two years later anyway.
    And the craziest thing about the whole switch was that it even got great reviews from different sources who prior to that (and since then) had given the band poor reviews. So, not only did it please the hardcores, it also pleased the music community.
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    If we do end up getting Machead it's going to be great having 50 new threads with titles like "OMG Machead is the best song ever!!" or "Machead is shit" or "Machead is so overrated!!"
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    If we do end up getting Machead it's going to be great having 50 new threads with titles like "OMG Machead is the best song ever!!" or "Machead is shit" or "Machead is so overrated!!"
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    If the Lillywhite Sessions had been finished and released and Everyday never happened, we would without question be talking about the Big Four.

    I hate the fact that management or RCA or whoever was like, "it's too dark, do something happier, work with this shitty producer who looks like a homeless person instead" when the fans LOVED those songs and they were released in watered down fashion two years later anyway.
    In reality, we'd probably be talking about the big 6 or 7 by now.
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    In reality, we'd probably be talking about the big 6 or 7 by now.
    You don't know that. Many people believe that if they'd finished tLWS, it would have destroyed the band, and we wouldn't be talking about anything right now.
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    This song can't possibly live up to the mythology that we've put on it.
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    Old 01-06-2010, 01:41 PM   #148
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    From what I gather, the band needed some kind of change for many reasons or something awful was going to happen. Stefan said in the documentary that the problem was they didn't know what change they wanted and while they were in this vulnerable state, someone convinced Dave to go visit Glen Ballard. The rest is history.
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    Please. Lillywhite's well had run dry? That's why many people feel that if tLWS had been completed in the state they were in, it would've been the bands best work by far. But Lillywhite's well had run dry?

    Its simple. The band is lazy in the studio. Lillywhite pushed them while in the studio. See where that would cause an issue?

    Did you not read the article I posted for you yesterday? Did you not watch "The Road to Big Whiskey"? It's all explained.

    Yet, you call him a douchebag and make comments like this. Personally, I think you have your head up your ass.

    Its called an opinion, and i am entitled to mine
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    people are going to bitch about it and people are going to go fuckin crazy over it no matter how good or bad it is because everyone has built it up to this huge thing. theyre puttin the pussy up on the pedistal
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