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Old 02-26-2014, 10:07 AM   #31
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Re: The 2014 Major League Baseball Season

Is there a better deal in sports?

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    WOW...i really dont understand whats going on here. I mean on 1 hand its the largest pre-arbitration contract ever, but on the other, well...not sure why neither side is locking up a longer deal
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    Old 02-26-2014, 10:15 AM   #33
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    WOW...i really dont understand whats going on here. I mean on 1 hand its the largest pre-arbitration contract ever, but on the other, well...not sure why neither side is locking up a longer deal
    I think he'll sign. Getting around 150 million and being able to hit free agency in his prime.
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    Old 02-26-2014, 10:23 AM   #34
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    This is based on two assumptions (fairly safe ones, but still). If he does indeed sign that 6/150, or something close and keeps up this pace. And then enters his real prime to sign his next deal. Can y'all imagine how big that one will be?
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    I guess 400-500K is pretty much nothing to the angels, but not really sure why gave him that much when there's zero evidence to suggest it's going to help them later.
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    It's absurd that Trout is only 22 years old. He has a legitimate shot to be the highest paid player in MLB history, salary wise.
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    I guess 400-500K is pretty much nothing to the angels, but not really sure why gave him that much when there's zero evidence to suggest it's going to help them later.
    this is correct
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    Old 02-26-2014, 11:55 AM   #38
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    I guess 400-500K is pretty much nothing to the angels, but not really sure why gave him that much when there's zero evidence to suggest it's going to help them later.

    hmm... yea this is just a first guess off the top of my head but... do you suppose it could have anything to do with that they'd like to do something in the immediate short term to acknowledge how good he is and what he's done for them, and so they let him set the pre-arb record, have that distinction as like a "gift"... ?
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    Old 02-26-2014, 12:10 PM   #39
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    But why?

    Unless they know that he is going to sign the extension, making this 1mil totally for show, and they just wanted to do this so he would set a record, which I guess makes sense.
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    well I don't know I mean, maybe if they weren't quite ready to pull the trigger on the 6-ish year deal until next season (and/or if they knew he didn't yet), and in a way it seems almost preposterous for arguably the best player in the whole game to make a shade above league minimum just because the timing of his situation happens to shake out that way. And so one million is ultimately barely a sneeze for them, this is something they can do in the here and now to, like I said, give him some distinction without having to go too crazy yet.
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    The terms of the 6-ish year deal are blown up as soon as this season starts. In fact I'd argue that there's zero chance trout signs a 6 year deal after next season.
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    deal doesn't hurt them at all. they're gonna have to pay a lot for him in the future, what's an extra couple hundred thousand to keep him happy?
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    ...it's an extra couple hundred thousand dollars???
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    Re: The 2014 Major League Baseball Season

    He can still sign a 5 year deal at the end of the season

    Year 1: 20 mil
    Year 2: 23 mil
    Year 3: 27 mil
    Year 4: 35 mil
    Year 5: 40 mil

    5 years / 145 mil, buying out 2 years of his free agency
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    ...it's an extra couple hundred thousand dollars???
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    He can still sign a 5 year deal at the end of the season

    Year 1: 20 mil
    Year 2: 23 mil
    Year 3: 27 mil
    Year 4: 35 mil
    Year 5: 40 mil

    5 years / 145 mil, buying out 2 years of his free agency
    Whatever chance you think there is that he would sign a six year deal in the offseason between the 2014 and 2015 seasons, multiply it by .0000000001 for the chance that he'd sign a five year deal.
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    Old 02-26-2014, 01:04 PM   #47
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    Whatever chance you think there is that he would sign a six year deal in the offseason between the 2014 and 2015 seasons, multiply it by .0000000001 for the chance that he'd sign a five year deal.
    Bookmarked - however I was referencing a 5 year deal after 2014.
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    yeah that would be the offseason between the 2014 and 2015 seasons.
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    Old 02-26-2014, 01:08 PM   #49
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    That's right; me no good at math
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    He can still sign a 5 year deal at the end of the season

    Year 1: 20 mil
    Year 2: 23 mil
    Year 3: 27 mil
    Year 4: 35 mil
    Year 5: 40 mil

    5 years / 145 mil, buying out 2 years of his free agency

    That's so fucked up to look at initially, but it's probably right that we aren't that far away at all from a player getting $40M for a single season.
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    Old 02-26-2014, 01:22 PM   #51
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    ...it's an extra couple hundred thousand dollars???
    what's your point? it obviously doesn't matter too much to them
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    if you think it will keep him happy and increase his chances of agreeing to a long term deal later, do it.

    I've always said, lock guys up early instead of dealing with arbitration every year. players tend to not like that, because the agent is going up against the GM, and the GM is stating reasons why you aren't worth the arbitration #. This is pre-arb, and I think its a good faith contract. Absolutely nothing wrong with it
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    But it won't help your chances of signing him later.

    What exactly is the line of thinking here: "Well, you guys are off by about 5 million dollars, but since you gave me that 400K a few years back, let's just call it even"
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    Nobody likes going to arbitration, and that's the way the system is set up--to specifically dissuade teams/players from going through with it.
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    But it won't help your chances of signing him later.

    What exactly is the line of thinking here: "Well, you guys are off by about 5 million dollars, but since you gave me that 400K a few years back, let's just call it even"
    the team gave him more than he was scheduled to get paid. i think it counts for something and the dollar figure isn't hurting the angels. why not do it? it in no way guarantees trout will sign with them, but it doesn't hurt to make him satisfied for this season
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    But it doesn't help. It counts for nothing. The last team to do this was the Phillies. Did Ryan Howard claim for less in arbitration because they gave him 900K? No, actually he claimed (and won) the most anyone has ever gotten. Did he give them a discount in extension talks? No, actually he negotiated for (and got) a deal that is to this day among the least team-friendly in sports.
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    if we're going to go back to Ryan Howard, my thoughts from Day 1 were to sign him after that monster 06 season (or even after 07) to a 6 yr $150mm deal...avoid arbitration all together, give him a fat fucking paycheck for a 2nd yr player who made just $355k the year before, and guess what? When he's 32 or 33 and coming down, he's out of your hair

    Ryan Braun, Evan Longoria...those guys were signed very early, avoiding FA (and arbitration? not sure)...lock em up young. It doesnt mean you're going to get a discount later, but it might mean you're not over paying for a 35 yr old


    Trout is a special case because he'll hit the FA market so damn young. Most guys hit it around 28, 29. This is a case where you have to look down the road a bit. If you pay him the minimum now, will that effect your chances of signing him later? If I'm Trout, and I had those 2 seasons and you're still gonna pay me the minimum, well go fuck yourself Angels when you want to resign me.

    If the Angels can make him happy by giving him several hundred thousand $ more than they have to, maybe he'll remember that later. Maybe he won't, but he won't have a reason to be mad at them when it comes to the FA table
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    Just as a point of fact, Ryan Howard won't be "out of the Phillies' hair" until he's 37.

    Again, there is zero evidence that suggests even in the slightest that giving an increase now helps later. Not one shred. It's kind of ridiculous to think that these players and their agents are so petty that they would take 400K from 2014 as such a slight as to not even listen to deals for 2018 and beyond with three more zeroes on the end of them. There is no evidence of that level of pettiness anywhere in the history of sports--money from years past is a whisper compared to the roar of money from years to come.

    The offer the Angels give him whenever they decide to do it is not going to have anything to do with Mike Trout's 2014 salary as it stands today, and neither will his acceptance or denial of it.
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    agree with smoke - the couple hundred thous doesn't matter if there's a potential for helping future negotiations
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    But there isn't...that's the whole point. The Angels' offer in the future will not be affected in the slightest, most infinitesimal amount by the money above the league minimum they gave him today.
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