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Originally Posted by seekupchuck
Jimi/Devil, you guys mad?
if you dont have the patience for us puny losers in here, you should probably rethink the entire concept of participating on a "discussion board"
I will try to do better fellas!
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Originally Posted by seekupchuck
so, your opinion is that amino acid supplements dont work in general, or just arginine? What about as a simple NO booster, especially w/ the ornthinine...again, I apologize for not being on your level in here, so feel free to ignore me as I dont want you to waste your obviously precious time... where did you get your molecular biology degree btw?
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funny...
I'm not mad...
amino acids are essentially what protein is made of, but I'm sure you knew that. Basically, they all have potential functions in your body and your body has a limit of how much it can use on a daily basis dependent on many factors. You supplement because you are deficient in some degree or you require more than normal because you aren't the average everyday person(athlete, bodybuilder, what have you). You drink protein shakes, take bcaa because you want to reach a certain macro to ensure you maintain a positive balance in your body for the body composition and activities you want to obtain/maintain. You can get this from food and never supplement if you eat the right amount.(Again, I'm sure you know this. I'm just pointing it out)
If the molecular biology degree was directed at me I don't have one. I do have a degree in chemistry/biochemistry and have done many years of research on free radicals and specifically nitric oxide and from everything I know/believe/studied/learned ingesting more arginine orally will not give you the effects you "think" you're getting from it that are claimed from NO boosters. To put it bluntly, your body makes a certain amount of nitric oxide for what it needs and does not want any more and has inhibition mechanisms for this reason because higher concentrations of free radicals or reactive oxygen species(Nitric oxide, superoxide, hydroxyl radical, etc) have adverse effects. Ingesting more arginine just doesn't turn them off or make more than normal tolerated concentration from what I've studied. With that said a cocktail of several ingredients(caffeine for example) often found in NO boosters will give you a "pumped, excited, intense" that you're looking for. If that's what you want or need to have a good workout, I see no problem using your money for it it it helps you reach your goals. To each their own...
If you are eating properly and not "chemically enhanced", you are getting more than enough in my opinion even if you have to have a shake or some bcaa every now and then.
Secondly, as it pertains to the combination of A-O, just because an article says there was a significantly difference between people taking and not taking doesn't mean it's significant different to actually have an effect on lean muscle growth or muscle growth at all. Also, the time frame in the article just from the abstract is not long enough I would say to actually make a clear conclusion of lean body mass even if the growth hormone was slightly elevated. Abstract also doesn't mention what type of diet all these subjects were on, and it is very important info. Their so called changes in LBM could have come from just a change in diet over those 5 weeks. As I mentioned I would like to actually read the entire article and also know where the source of funding was from. I can't make an personal conclusion unless I read the entire article.
I'm always willing to discuss... Sorry for the long essay...
inb4 TL/DR