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Less then 1-2x per week 16 17.78%
1-2x per week 33 36.67%
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1-2x per month 3 3.33%
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:17 AM   #121
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Well, "actual" Italians (whatever that means) call their marinara sauce "salsa", so they must clearly be wrong since we have a different name for it.

Restaurants might call it bolognese. Some Italian-American families call it gravy.

Why is anything called what it is? It's a regional/cultural thing. We've been calling it that in my family for as long as I can remember. My mom's parents are off the boat and my dad's mom is 2nd generation, is that "actually" Italian enough for you?
Dude my dads side of the family is Italian. My dad is from NYC and he calles it gravy as well. Yeah i definitely have heard the term before.
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    It's almost like one word can have several commonly accepted interpretations, or something like that.
    No, you're just calling something the wrong name.
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    I'm at bars frequently but actually going out to eat maybe 1x every other month
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    No, you're just calling something the wrong name.
    No he's not, gravy is a widely accepted term for sauce, but as has been pointed out on numerous occasions in here it's a regional thing.
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    I'm at bars frequently but actually going out to eat maybe 1x every other month
    You only go to a sit down dinner or get take out 6ish times a year??
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    Old 03-08-2017, 10:22 AM   #126
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    No, you're just calling something the wrong name.
    Well, people from Chicago call this cheese casserole/pie: http://archives.quarrygirl.com/wp-co...ce-570x412.jpg a pizza, so I guess that's sort of one in the same, right?
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    You only go to a sit down dinner or get take out 6ish times a year??

    Yeah about that, I've only gone out to dinner once this year so far
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    Well, people from Chicago call this cheese casserole/pie: http://archives.quarrygirl.com/wp-co...ce-570x412.jpg a pizza, so I guess that's sort of one in the same, right?
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    Old 03-08-2017, 10:30 AM   #129
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    No he's not, gravy is a widely accepted term for sauce, but as has been pointed out on numerous occasions in here it's a regional thing.
    I agree that it is widely accepted and I agree that it's a regional thing, but I still think it's a misnomer re: what gravy is - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravy
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    Old 03-08-2017, 10:31 AM   #130
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    It's almost like one word can have several commonly accepted interpretations, or something like that.
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    Old 03-08-2017, 10:32 AM   #131
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    Well, "actual" Italians (whatever that means)
    People from Italy
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    call their marinara sauce "salsa", so they must clearly be wrong since we have a different name for it.
    Salse translation is sauce
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    Restaurants might call it bolognese. Some Italian-American families call it gravy.

    Why is anything called what it is? It's a regional/cultural thing. We've been calling it that in my family for as long as I can remember. My mom's parents are off the boat and my dad's mom is 2nd generation, is that "actually" Italian enough for you?
    Just curious on how that term was generated, since it's not an actual Italian thing. At least in Southern Italy, where my FIL was born and raised, and we still have a ton of family (100+ cousons, zias, zios), it's not a term. What part of Italy is your family from?
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    Re: How often do you go out to eat/eat takeout?

    Typically 1-2 times a week. More if I got a lot going on the weekend, or if family is out of town.
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    People from Italy

    Salse translation is sauce

    Just curious on how that term was generated, since it's not an actual Italian thing. At least in Southern Italy, where my FIL was born and raised, and we still have a ton of family (100+ cousons, zias, zios), it's not a term. What part of Italy is your family from?
    It is true that Italians do not have a word that translates directly to "gravy". My basic understanding is it's usually either salsa, ragu, or sugo. It's an Italian-American thing, which is what I've said all along. I don't know why it's relevant what people from Italy do as it's not what I ever said.

    My maternal grandmother is from Genoa.
    My maternal grandfather is from Calabria (exact village unknown).
    My paternal grandmother's family is from Salerno.
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    My grandpa's fam is from Offida... still have peeps over there we communicate with regularly.
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    My grandparents are dead, but were from NY and MA, FWIW FYI
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    My grandpa's fam is from Offida... still have peeps over there we communicate with regularly.
    That's awesome. To my knowledge we don't have any more relatives over there.
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    Re: How often do you go out to eat/eat takeout?

    Marinara and bolognese aren't the same thing. A restaurant would never call a marinara sauce bolognese.

    What the hell is going on in here
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    Isn't bolognese a bunch of meat in sauce / gravy and marinara .. isn't?
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    It is true that Italians do not have a word that translates directly to "gravy". My basic understanding is it's usually either salsa, ragu, or sugo. It's an Italian-American thing, which is what I've said all along. I don't know why it's relevant what people from Italy do as it's not what I ever said.

    My maternal grandmother is from Genoa.
    My maternal grandfather is from Calabria (exact village unknown).
    My paternal grandmother's family is from Salerno.
    Nice, FIL's family is from a village outside of Leche. I was more interested in how that term generated from Italian Americans, since it wasn't really an Italian term.
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    People from Italy

    Salse translation is sauce

    Just curious on how that term was generated, since it's not an actual Italian thing. At least in Southern Italy, where my FIL was born and raised, and we still have a ton of family (100+ cousons, zias, zios), it's not a term. What part of Italy is your family from?
    In Italian-American communities, particularly on the East Coast and around the Chicago area, the term "gravy", "tomato gravy", or "Sunday gravy" is used, but this refers to a tomato sauce rather that meat drippings mixed with a thickener. Used in this context, "gravy" is an erroneous English translation from the Italian sugo, which means juice. However, Sugo can also mean sauce, as in sugo per pastasciutta. Whether certain sauces are referred to as "gravy" or "sauce" in Italian-American cuisine continues to be a source of debate and varies according to different family and community traditions.
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    In Italian-American communities, particularly on the East Coast and around the Chicago area, the term "gravy", "tomato gravy", or "Sunday gravy" is used, but this refers to a tomato sauce rather that meat drippings mixed with a thickener. Used in this context, "gravy" is an erroneous English translation from the Italian sugo, which means juice. However, Sugo can also mean sauce, as in sugo per pastasciutta. Whether certain sauces are referred to as "gravy" or "sauce" in Italian-American cuisine continues to be a source of debate and varies according to different family and community traditions.

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    It's almost like one word can have several commonly accepted interpretations, or something like that.
    It's very much like that
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    Marinara and bolognese aren't the same thing. A restaurant would never call a marinara sauce bolognese.

    What the hell is going on in here
    Yeah they are definitely not referred to the same. Marinara is just one type of sauce. bolognese is another, as is arrabiata etc.
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    Isn't bolognese a bunch of meat in sauce / gravy and marinara .. isn't?
    I thought gravy was marinara with meatballs, beef, pork, and sausage. Bolognese is just grounded meat in marinara.

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    I thought gravy was marinara with meatballs, beef, pork, and sausage. Bolognese is just chop meat in marinara.

    I just put " / gravy" because of what other people are saying, until today I've never heard of gravy being anything other than what you put on a turkey or mashed potatoes, which is delicious but would be nasty on pasta.
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    I just put " / gravy" because of what other people are saying, until today I've never heard of gravy being anything other than what you put on a turkey or mashed potatoes, which is delicious but would be nasty on pasta.
    I've had some slamming pasta dishes with brown/bordelaise sauce, which is not too far off from gravy.
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    Just curious on how that term was generated, since it's not an actual Italian thing. At least in Southern Italy, where my FIL was born and raised, and we still have a ton of family (100+ cousons, zias, zios), it's not a term. What part of Italy is your family from?


    I'll clarify some things in this thread. Fellow RI Italian here.

    The term gravy was lost in translation when Italians came over and learned English. Very simple common mistake.

    Nowadays the term "gravy" (Sunday gravy) implies that you are making a meat based sauce. You sauté braciole, pork, sausage... brown the bottom of a pan, toss in some onions and garlic, then tomatoes. The meat goes back in, and you cook it for several hours (gotta stir it a lot) then you let it simmer for another couple hours.

    I cut up chunks of pepperoni as well, it's the best part. Also, pan fry meatballs, cook them about half way, then throw them in the "sauce" with all the other meat. FYI this is done in a big ass pot with at least 4-5 cans of (Pastene or San Marzano) tomatoes

    Upon serving you take most of the meat out and set aside, and the "gravy" is just tossed with pasta. Utensils include a fork, spoon (for angel hair) and a slice of Italian bread cut nice nice. Few bottles of homemade red wine on the table, and there ya have it

    In no way shape or form is any other sauce called "gravy"

    Marinara is a fresh tomato sauce, I usually top mine with basil and garlic toasted bread crumbs.

    Sauces like al'amatriciana and bolognese is still a "sauce" by definition.

    The term "Sunday gravy" stems from it usually being made on a Sunday since, well Sunday was the only day you could make it. It takes north of 8 hours after prep/cook/simmering times, Sunday was the only day of the week and in a traditional America-Italian household your large family dinner was on a Sunday afternoon.

    Someone mentioned raisins before in the braciole. My nana used to put them in her meatballs and they were effing incredible.




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    It is true that Italians do not have a word that translates directly to "gravy". My basic understanding is it's usually either salsa, ragu, or sugo. It's an Italian-American thing, which is what I've said all along. I don't know why it's relevant what people from Italy do as it's not what I ever said.



    My maternal grandmother is from Genoa.

    My maternal grandfather is from Calabria (exact village unknown).

    My paternal grandmother's family is from Salerno.


    To my understanding

    Sugo is a slightly sweeter tomato sauce, and ragu is particularly thicker than you average tomato sauce.


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    Isn't bolognese a bunch of meat in sauce / gravy and marinara .. isn't?


    Bolognese is ground meat cooked fairly well done with carrots/onions/celery... traditionally the veggies are removed then a basic tomato sauce is added, not marinara.

    When I make bolognese I cook the meat to smithereens, almost burned, then deglaze the pan with red wine and beef stock to get all the flavors out of the pan and have the meat suck in all that fluid. In another pan I'll sauté the veggies then purée it. Add it to the meat then add tomato sauce and cook it for a bit

    Serve with a rigatoni style pasta and I shave fresh horseradish on top instead of parmigiano reggiano. Don't knock it until you try it. The horseradish substitute is out of this world


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    Well, people from Chicago call this cheese casserole/pie: http://archives.quarrygirl.com/wp-co...ce-570x412.jpg a pizza, so I guess that's sort of one in the same, right?
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