Westworld (HBO series)

[DMB1983]

My opinion on shows like this and the Affair for instance, is that the writer intended for them to be one season. They always take a weird turn about episode 4 or 5 to draw things out, or bring in mysterious new characters to add another level to the story. But to me it's obvious these "twists" weren't in the original story, and HBO saw how big of an audience it had, so they told them to prepare for season 2.

I truly believe the plot of Westworld would be stronger if they had just ended it. Less loose ends to just keep your interest until next season, which will either end up being resolved withing in the first episode, add up to nothing, or linger and drag on for another entire season.

If Anthony Hopkins doesn't return, it will deflate my antcipation which must remain until 2018??? That's asking a lot from any audience. Unless your DMB fans. Then you know how long to wait for the next thing.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by DMB1983

My opinion on shows like this and the Affair for instance, is that the writer intended for them to be one season. They always take a weird turn about episode 4 or 5 to draw things out, or bring in mysterious new characters to add another level to the story. But to me it's obvious these "twists" weren't in the original story, and HBO saw how big of an audience it had, so they told them to prepare for season 2.

I truly believe the plot of Westworld would be stronger if they had just ended it. Less loose ends to just keep your interest until next season, which will either end up being resolved withing in the first episode, add up to nothing, or linger and drag on for another entire season.

If Anthony Hopkins doesn't return, it will deflate my antcipation which must remain until 2018??? That's asking a lot from any audience. Unless your DMB fans. Then you know how long to wait for the next thing.

you know this show is based on a Michael Crichton screenplay from the 70's, right?

season 2 was being talked about since October and the writers were most likely ready for multiple outcomes, most likely of which was multiple seasons

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by DMB1983

My opinion on shows like this and the Affair for instance, is that the writer intended for them to be one season. They always take a weird turn about episode 4 or 5 to draw things out, or bring in mysterious new characters to add another level to the story. But to me it's obvious these "twists" weren't in the original story, and HBO saw how big of an audience it had, so they told them to prepare for season 2.

I truly believe the plot of Westworld would be stronger if they had just ended it. Less loose ends to just keep your interest until next season, which will either end up being resolved withing in the first episode, add up to nothing, or linger and drag on for another entire season.

If Anthony Hopkins doesn't return, it will deflate my antcipation which must remain until 2018??? That's asking a lot from any audience. Unless your DMB fans. Then you know how long to wait for the next thing.

You think they re-wrote and re-shot the second half of the season after seeing the ratings the first month of the show?

The second season wont even be out until 2018 because shooting for it wont start until the spring/summer of 2017

[camptravisr]

Just binge watched this in a day and a half last weekend. Wow! I did backread most of the thread from where the show ended. A few things still up in the air: What happened to Logan? What happened to William's bride-to-be? I've seen conflicting answers in this thread.

[DMB1983]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

You think they re-wrote and re-shot the second half of the season after seeing the ratings the first month of the show?

The second season wont even be out until 2018 because shooting for it wont start until the spring/summer of 2017

I really do. It happens with TV shows all the time. The execs get a whiff of success and then they meddle with the writing. It happened with Breaking Bad, it happened with X Files, it happens all the time. They don't want the story to resolve, so they tell the writers to make changes. Or that they want a second season. That changes things.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by DMB1983

I really do. It happens with TV shows all the time.

but...it didn't happen with this show...

which is the point

[junior94]

Originally Posted by DMB1983

I really do. It happens with TV shows all the time. The execs get a whiff of success and then they meddle with the writing. It happened with Breaking Bad, it happened with X Files, it happens all the time. They don't want the story to resolve, so they tell the writers to make changes. Or that they want a second season. That changes things.

The ENTIRE season was shot in the can before a minute of the show aired on TV, I promise you. What the issue is, there was a point early on where the shooting process was going faster than they initially thought in relation to how much writing was done at the time. They did use the time to take a broader look at the plotting of the show, and that's where a lot of the more long term, mythology-based elements we ended up seeing came from, but they had to shut production completely so they could get ahead with the writing. But that's all. They weren't still shooting the end of the show while the beginning was broadcasting.


btw, one of the lingering questions from the finale in relation to Thandie Newton's Maeve character, we've got a confirmed answer from the Paley Fest panel. When Maeve gets up out of her seat on the train (now that she's "escaped") and goes BACK to the park, this was not a pre-determined element of her host character. It was an independent decision she made with her new AI. The very first one, in fact.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by junior94

The ENTIRE season was shot in the can before a minute of the show aired on TV, I promise you. What the issue is, there was a point early on where the shooting process was going faster than they initially thought in relation to how much writing was done at the time. They did use the time to take a broader look at the plotting of the show, and that's where a lot of the more long term, mythology-based elements we ended up seeing came from, but they had to shut production completely so they could get ahead with the writing. But that's all. They weren't still shooting the end of the show while the beginning was broadcasting.


btw, one of the lingering questions from the finale in relation to Thandie Newton's Maeve character, we've got a confirmed answer from the Paley Fest panel. When Maeve gets up out of her seat on the train (now that she's "escaped") and goes BACK to the park, this was not a pre-determined element of her host character. It was an independent decision she made with her new AI. The very first one, in fact.

I still don't buy it...they can say whatever they want but based on the rules established by the show, her desire to be reunited with her daughter arises directly out of her programming. She would not have a desire to see her daughter if she wasn't programmed to. I'd say everything leading up to that point was her independent choice and then she reverts back to her programming.

[M. Steng]

Thought this was really cool, how music of Westworld foreshadows/matches up with many of the themes of the show:

https://youtu.be/MkDXcP7JNOw

[jkrue22]

Bump because I just got into this show and finished it last night.

Loved all the Radiohead tunes, but how could they leave out Paranoid Android??

[TheLastPig]

So I guess I missed the commerical during the SB but S2 comes April 22. I swear when S1 ended all reports were that this wouldnt be back til 2019. Very happy to hear this news.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/4/16...uper-bowl-2018

[FromTheMorning]

Was I drunk or was the one aired during the game only 30 seconds? Full trailer looks absolutely insane. Can't wait.

[GSUdawg521]

Originally Posted by FromTheMorning

Was I drunk or was the one aired during the game only 30 seconds? Full trailer looks absolutely insane. Can't wait.

Yeah I watched the full one last night and wasn't sure if that's what aired Sunday or if I just missed most of it with all the people talking where I was watching.

Think there's really gonna be that buffalo stampeded scene or was that just promotional?

[dre2142]

Looking forward to it.

[GSUdawg521]

Newer trailer is even more badass. Can't even imagine where this show is going

https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/29/17...er-hbo-dolores

[ToySoldier#34]

I'll be watching season one again before season 2 starts, can't wait for S2!

[TheLastStop123]

looks really good. hope they stop with the puzzle box mystery stuff and make season 2 more about character development.

[Jordan#41]

Excited for this to come back. But if you asked me what happened last season I'd have NO IDEA how to respond to that.

[GSUdawg521]

Originally Posted by Jordan#41

Excited for this to come back. But if you asked me what happened last season I'd have NO IDEA how to respond to that.

I might have had trouble rewatching it myself, but since I was able to get my wife to try it, it made it that much more interesting, for me to watch it with someone seeing it for the first time. We just finished a couple weeks ago, so she's excited for S2.

[FromTheMorning]

I'm doing a S1 rewatch right now and everything is a bit more clear to me this time around.

[lockman21]

Uhhhhhh season 2 debut tonight? Why does this feel so under the radar?

[M. Steng]

Definitely under the radar but I’m still so fucking pumped for tonight. Really excited to see where they take the story.

[Thesongilike]

I’ve been waiting all week for tonight! One of my favorites shows that is running these days.

[iMAC386]

I haven't rewatched S1 one yet and I really feel like I should before catching any of season 2. I might delay starting S2, even though I wanna keep up on the chat about it really bad.

[lockman21]

Get started on S1! Definitely don’t want to start S2 without it. It’s incredibly binge-able.

[TheLastStop123]

Re-watching the finale now. Forgot it’s almost 2 hours. Christ.

[M. Steng]

Now, you're in my dream.

Full thoughts coming tomorrow, solid premiere which set the table. Obviously not going to be the same level of intrigue/spark like the pilot but overall really thought it was a great hour and a quarter of TV. The best scene of the episode was the opening one, IMO. I love how that was filmed in a different aspect ratio from the rest of the episode.

The production value and cinematography of this show are just unbelievable. I watched the little feature on the Drone Hosts, and those are fully practical with real actors inside which I thought was pretty incredible. Thought for sure that would have been CGI.

[TheLastStop123]

thought it was okay. a little slow to start. the rest of the season seems promising.

[DMBstandUP1984]

at some point won't they have to do a little bit of a restart? How many seasons can they do out of the robots vs humans.

[M. Steng]

One of the main reasons I love this show so much is how much it makes me think while I'm not actually watching. I thought of this possibility last night while I was falling asleep:

What if Dolores actually hasn't reached the center of the maze yet and is still following the Wyatt programming (or a hybrid of Wyatt and Dolores) that Ford installed in her before she killed him? And, what if Maeve is actually the one who broke her programming by getting off the train?

The only way I can see this as a possibility is because in either E9 or E10 last season we got the revelation that Maeve was simply acting out on her programming by being rebellious and tearing shit up. What if she was the host who was supposed to reach the mainland, and by getting off the train, she messed up Devos' plan? Perhaps she was actually the host who has achieved sentience moreso than any other, while Dolores is acting out this pseudo-sentience implanted by Ford. After all, Ford knew literally everything about the park, the guests, and the hosts; it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility to me that he was developing this programming for years and years knowing how everything would unfold in an attempt to screw over Devos. Ford, I think, grew to appreciate Arnold's empathy with the hosts and realized that he had made a mistake by opening the park against Arnold's wishes in the first instance.

I know it's flimsy but if this show has taught us anything, it's that nothing is what it seems.