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Old 02-24-2013, 09:17 AM   #481
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The dude likes what he likes. Why does this bother you so much? Who gives a shit if this kid likes or dislikes Hunger For the Great Light or not? Who gives a fuck what his reasoning is? Whats wrong with liking everything a band does? We all like what we like. We all dislike what we dislike. You seem to have some sense of superiority or something. Is it your 20,000 posts? If someone hates Two Step that makes them a shitty fan cause its a classic DMB song? Jesus who cares??? Hahaha. You take the fun out of these boards and I question whether or not you leave your computer.
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    two step is a song thats universally accepted as one of their best songs. to not like that is just weird, and well proves you have a shitty taste in music.
    So if I hated Two Step but liked the rest of Crash, all of BTCS and UTTAD, would I still have a shitty taste in music? Does that then make the 'Big 3' shitty?
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    Old 02-24-2013, 09:18 AM   #483
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    I happen to agree with his statement, but the replies to it are also classic. i'll skip the lol's
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    Old 02-24-2013, 09:19 AM   #484
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    So if I hated Two Step but liked the rest of Crash, all of BTCS and UTTAD, would I still have a shitty taste in music? Does that then make the 'Big 3' shitty?
    if you hate two step, it doesn't matter what else you do in life, you are a terrible human being.
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    So if I hated Two Step but liked the rest of Crash, all of BTCS and UTTAD, would I still have a shitty taste in music? Does that then make the 'Big 3' shitty?
    Most people who hate Two Step like some of this bands worst songs. It's not a coincidence. Some people just don't like musically complex songs that borderline on perfection. Like how some people love Black Jack, Hunger and Cornbread but hate Seek Up. There are not many people like this but it is obvious that these people have bad taste when it comes to music.
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    So if I hated Two Step but liked the rest of Crash, all of BTCS and UTTAD, would I still have a shitty taste in music? Does that then make the 'Big 3' shitty?
    It was a joke, relax

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    Some people might prefer a different style of music and prefer the style represented by those albums rather than the one's that you opine as your favorite. musically complex songs (somewhat objective) and borderline on perfection (completely subjective) is ultimately an opionion. One that is shared by the majority, which is easily objectively defined but is ultimately limited in it's usefulness.

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    Most people who hate Two Step like some of this bands worst songs. It's not a coincidence. Some people just don't like musically complex songs that borderline on perfection. Like how some people love Black Jack, Hunger and Cornbread but hate Seek Up. There are not many people like this but it is obvious that these people have bad taste when it comes to music.
    Do you actually know anyone like this?

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    As an album SU is the worst lyrically of Dave's career.
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    The dude likes what he likes. Why does this bother you so much? Who gives a shit if this kid likes or dislikes Hunger For the Great Light or not? Who gives a fuck what his reasoning is? Whats wrong with liking everything a band does? We all like what we like. We all dislike what we dislike. You seem to have some sense of superiority or something. Is it your 20,000 posts? If someone hates Two Step that makes them a shitty fan cause its a classic DMB song? Jesus who cares??? Hahaha. You take the fun out of these boards and I question whether or not you leave your computer.
    Nice try taking over as the biggest crybaby in dmbc. Quit complaining!!!
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    That's totally cool and reasonable man. I'd never begrudge someone for their musical tastes.

    However, you can't deny that as a whole the fanbase doesn't enjoy these songs/the album.
    I acknowledge that 100%. And although my opinions vary, I totally respect that. People like what they like. That's fine with me. Apparently it's just too much to ask to not be knocked for me liking what I like.

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    LJF pulling a OnSweetMonkey and getting butthurt some of us have standards.
    I would like one example of me being "butthurt" over anyone having a different opinion than my own. And this has nothing to do with "standards". It has to do with personal taste. Is your musical taste superior to mine because I like certain songs/albums that you don't?

    Seriously, Kitty... you throw out these intents of insults without being able to back up a single word that you say. I'm "butthurt" because people don't like Stand Up, am I? Than show me an example of that, please.

    Isn't Stand Up the album that most likely got you into dMb? Or were you a long time fan who just happened to come across these boards around the same time American Baby hit the radio waves...?

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    I'm ignoring Stolen Away for the purpose of this post, so I've redacted that part of the comment.

    On what basis can you say that Old Dirt Hill is wonderfully awesome? It's one of their weakest studio efforts. The song builds up to nothing. Each time it cycles through the chorus, you think it's building to some awesome jam. Instead, just as the song gets to that point - it ends. Such a damn failure. And it's not just that it builds up to nothing. The quality of the production is flat and hollow and sounds fake. The "Bring that beat back to me again" boy band sound is completely out of place. The lyrics could be significantly improved.

    Nothing about it is wonderfully awesome, unless a premature ejaculation is considered wonderfully awesome. That would be news to me if that were the case.
    I like Old Dirt Hill because I think it's a song that perfectly describes ones nostalgia for their childhood. And I can totally relate to that. Sure, it's not the most complex song the Band has ever recorded. But it's a simple, sweet song that I can relate with.

    I've had this conversation about Old Dirt Hill before. Not every song has to be as musically complex as The Dreaming Tree or lyrically poetic as #41. Old Dirt Hill is a simple song about simple times. And it makes me feel happy when I hear it. That' why I can say that, on a personal level, Old Dirt Hill is a wonderfully awesome song.
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    If OnSweetMonkey is basing when someone became a fan of dMb off their Ants join date, then my post count says I'm more than 6 times the dMb fan he is. Nice.
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    If OnSweetMonkey is basing when someone became a fan of dMb off their Ants join date, then my post count says I'm more than 6 times the dMb fan he is. Nice.
    Join date and post count are two different things. I get that it's complicated to differentiate between the two, but still... Join date and post count... two different things. And I wasn't basing. I was asking. Because both happened in 2005. So it's a logical question.

    And I would actually say that it's how much of their music you enjoy that determines how big of a fan you are. In which case, I am about 4 albums more the dMb fan than you are. So... nice.

    Oh... and again... One example of me being "butthurt" over someone having a different opinion than my own? Did you miss that part, or are you just ignoring it because you can't do it?

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    accepting everything as good does not make you a bigger fan than someone who holds this band to a higher standard.
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    Every post in dMbc by OnSweetMonkey is an example of him being butthurt. He also doesn't know when Stand Up was released; some dMb fan he is.

    Don't let the fact some of us have standards rattle you, OnSweetMonkey.
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    I would actually say that it's how much of their music you enjoy that determines how big of a fan you are. In which case, I am about 4 albums more the dMb fan than you are.
    You keep topping yourself with more and more ridiculous statements.

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    Every post in dMbc by OnSweetMonkey is an example of him being butthurt. He also doesn't know when Stand Up was released; some dMb fan he is.

    Don't let the fact some of us have standards rattle you, OnSweetMonkey.
    Stand Up wasn't released in 2005?

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    You think you are a bigger fan because you like everything. That is absurd.
    You are more than 11 times the fan of dMb than OnSweetMonkey. haha nice
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    You think you are a bigger fan because you like everything. That is absurd.
    I don't think that at all. I would never say that I'm a bigger fan than anyone and be serious about it. My comment was clearly a rebuttal to Kitty's comment where he claimed to be a bigger fan than me because of his post count. Did you miss the comment where he/she said that?
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    I like Old Dirt Hill because I think it's a song that perfectly describes ones nostalgia for their childhood. And I can totally relate to that. Sure, it's not the most complex song the Band has ever recorded. But it's a simple, sweet song that I can relate with.

    I've had this conversation about Old Dirt Hill before. Not every song has to be as musically complex as The Dreaming Tree or lyrically poetic as #41. Old Dirt Hill is a simple song about simple times. And it makes me feel happy when I hear it. That' why I can say that, on a personal level, Old Dirt Hill is a wonderfully awesome song.
    I get what you're saying about the song. It's certainly describing one's nostalgia for their childhood, and I can relate to that as well. However, this is a song that isn't just a simple little song. It's got a certain driving power behind it. And you know that power exists, especially when you listen to Why I Am. But because the power takes you to nowhere on Stand Up, a signature mark on that album (no pun intended), it becomes such a disappointment. If a guy like Steve Lillywhite worked on this tune in it's formative stage, it could have become a beast. Considering Batson wanted these studio songs to only be the beginning of the development of these songs, it's no surprise he didn't try to develop them more for the album.

    When it comes to the lyrics, it's another signature mark on the album (again, no pun intended). The lyrics are extremely repetitive and tell very little. Okay, Dave's recalling a time from his childhood where he rode his bike down an old dirt hill, he went to smoke under a railroad bridge and he has fun with a girl. Rinse and repeat a couple of times. Then a quick I think back to those days when life gets hard today.

    There's a saying in writing that you should not be telling the reader something, you should show them. That's Dave's biggest problem writing lyrics these days. In the case of ODH, instead of telling us (paraphrasing) "I did this, this and this, and when times get tough I think about those times," he should be showing us this.
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    If any of you like the album, then ok... no argument from me, everyone has their personal tastes in music. I like some music that I'm sure others would think is crazy.

    But to say that Stand Up is a great or even good album... I don't know what to say other than you just can't objectively critique music and/or understand what makes an 'album' qualify as a quality body of work.
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    I get what you're saying about the song. It's certainly describing one's nostalgia for their childhood, and I can relate to that as well. However, this is a song that isn't just a simple little song. It's got a certain driving power behind it. And you know that power exists, especially when you listen to Why I Am. But because the power takes you to nowhere on Stand Up, a signature mark on that album (no pun intended), it becomes such a disappointment. If a guy like Steve Lillywhite worked on this tune in it's formative stage, it could have become a beast. Considering Batson wanted these studio songs to only be the beginning of the development of these songs, it's no surprise he didn't try to develop them more for the album.

    When it comes to the lyrics, it's another signature mark on the album (again, no pun intended). The lyrics are extremely repetitive and tell very little. Okay, Dave's recalling a time from his childhood where he rode his bike down an old dirt hill, he went to smoke under a railroad bridge and he has fun with a girl. Rinse and repeat a couple of times. Then a quick I think back to those days when life gets hard today.

    There's a saying in writing that you should not be telling the reader something, you should show them. That's Dave's biggest problem writing lyrics these days. In the case of ODH, instead of telling us (paraphrasing) "I did this, this and this, and when times get tough I think about those times," he should be showing us this.
    I appreciate your opinion. And you know what? You're probably right from start to finish. It's not the best songwriting, musically or lyrically. It's just one of those songs that, I guess, are a guilty pleasure for me. I like the simplicity of it. I don't know... I just like it.

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    If any of you like the album, then ok... no argument from me, everyone has their personal tastes in music. I like some music that I'm sure others would think is crazy.

    But to say that Stand Up is a great or even good album... I don't know what to say other than you just can't objectively critique music and/or understand what makes an 'album' qualify as a quality body of work.
    It's not always about "critique". Sometimes it just simply comes down to the most simple explanation there is... "because I do".

    "Why do you like Stand Up? Or think it's a good album?"

    "Because I do."

    It's art, and appreciation for art all lies in the eye of the beholder.

    When you are deciding when an album is good or great, you're probably listening on a technical level. What arrangements were complex and Dave's use of this chord here progressing into that chord there. Fonz's use of arpeggios or Carter's fills in 7/8 time. Not everyone does that. Some people just sit back and say "that's a great album, because it sounds good".
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    If any of you like the album, then ok... no argument from me, everyone has their personal tastes in music. I like some music that I'm sure others would think is crazy.

    But to say that Stand Up is a great or even good album... I don't know what to say other than you just can't objectively critique music and/or understand what makes an 'album' qualify as a quality body of work.
    this isn't necessarily true. a lot of it has to do with how one connects with the music or lyrics. just because something is written brilliantly doesn't mean that you have any kind of connection with it. things that are "poorly" written can still inspire a connection with some and that is what makes it great in their eyes.
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    Re: Stand Up is a great album...there I said it.

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    this isn't necessarily true. a lot of it has to do with how one connects with the music or lyrics. just because something is written brilliantly doesn't mean that you have any kind of connection with it. things that are "poorly" written can still inspire a connection with some and that is what makes it great in their eyes.
    Totally this. Thank you.
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    It's not always about "critique". Sometimes it just simply comes down to the most simple explanation there is... "because I do".

    "Why do you like Stand Up? Or think it's a good album?"

    "Because I do."

    It's art, and appreciation for art all lies in the eye of the beholder.

    When you are deciding when an album is good or great, you're probably listening on a technical level. What arrangements were complex and Dave's use of this chord here progressing into that chord there. Fonz's use of arpeggios or Carter's fills in 7/8 time. Not everyone does that. Some people just sit back and say "that's a great album, because it sounds good".
    And saying "because I do" is the kind of response a 6 year old gives his mother when throwing an unjustified tantrum.

    If you're going to hold an opinion, you should be able to back it up. It's one thing to say, "I like (insert shitty song)." It's another to call that same shitty song "great" or "awesome" and then act indignant when people ask you to justify your statement.

    Then again, in your case, I think you need to change "because I do" to "because Dave wrote it," because it certainly appears that's all that matters to you.

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    this isn't necessarily true. a lot of it has to do with how one connects with the music or lyrics. just because something is written brilliantly doesn't mean that you have any kind of connection with it. things that are "poorly" written can still inspire a connection with some and that is what makes it great in their eyes.
    But what you're saying simply justifies liking or feeling a connection to a certain song. It doesn't make the song great.
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    And saying "because I do" is the kind of response a 6 year old gives his mother when throwing an unjustified tantrum.

    If you're going to hold an opinion, you should be able to back it up. It's one thing to say, "I like (insert shitty song)." It's another to call that same shitty song "great" or "awesome" and then act indignant when people ask you to justify your statement.

    Then again, in your case, I think you need to change "because I do" to "because Dave wrote it," because it certainly appears that's all that matters to you.



    But what you're saying simply justifies liking or feeling a connection to a certain song. It doesn't make the song great.
    sure it does. it makes it great to the person that thinks it is. it really doesn't matter if a piece of work (art, music, poetry) is brilliant if no one gets it or can connect with it.
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