Mercy and Gaucho are really bad songs...

[Antelope]

Looks like the complaining hasn't stopped since I was last here. Mercy and Gaucho are what they are....brand new songs. They're good, but it'll take a summer on the road for them to reach potential. I like them both better upon first few listens than I did most of Big Whiskey and most of Big Whiskey have turned out to be great after aging.

Be patient my fellow Ants!

[v0taw]

Originally Posted by TR3Esmoker

Gaucho is not a bad song, man im soooo happy i dont come read this shit anymore. Haters are going to hate. But i think its amazing just like every other DMB song, I cant wait to hear the rest of of their new album, and cant wait to see them this year!!!

It's starting to get ridiculous. Cynicism has always been a part of these boards, but when people find things to bitch about the following three:

• Tim Reynolds returning
• Steve Lillywhite-produced songs
• A member of these boards as a finalist on American Idol

its probably time to back away from the keyboard. The sun is shining people. No, these songs aren't 10/10. But for a band that caters at least a moderate amount to its hardcore fans, an 7/10 song 20 years out is a pretty stellar result.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

Gaucho is growing on me.

[dustycobb]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Let's see...
Dave's 45 years old, owns a winery, is a little bit wealthy, supports many good causes with his philanthropy, is happy with his wife and kids, delves into politics a bit, & fronts one of the world's most popular bands.
Drawing from his current experiences, what would you have him write about, exactly?
If he's drawing inspiration from the above, which he clearly is, then the songs will reflect it-and they do. That should be no surprise, right?
If you want "young, angry & depressed" I believe there's a Nirvana Box Set available on Amazon, or a dose of Eddie Vedder's* angst might be just what your doctor ordered. (If not, perhaps a Lithium prescription is in your cards-)
Dave's not in 1990's space, (perhaps because it's, um, 2012) so it's highly unlikely you're gonna' get much in the way of "introverted, angst-driven" ballads or screamers.
(You might get "Space Between">"I Love My Second House in Vienna" or
"Damn, I Love My Porsche">"Two Step" if you don't watch out!)
These new songs are really good, & I think "Mercy" will be a classic before its all said and done.
Personally I can't wait to see what they preview next!


~ToL~




*I love Pearl Jam, Eddie-angst and all... Not to mention their epic 3+ hour shows... One of the best all-around rock bands ever, imo...

So right on the above description of what music we will get...haven't we all grown up with the band in some regards. My life isn't the same from when I started to listening to them...eventually we all evolve, maybe it's time we stop trying to recapture what we were when the big three were out and embrace what we are now and enjoy another big three in the future. We can't all be frat boys forever (even though some of us will try).

[Ascf33]

So yeah both songs suck.

[coldengrey12]

Mercy is some pretty dull shite.

Gaucho still has teh pohtenchulz.

[DMBartenderWI]

Originally Posted by v0taw

It's starting to get ridiculous. Cynicism has always been a part of these boards, but when people find things to bitch about the following three:

• Tim Reynolds returning
• Steve Lillywhite-produced songs
• A member of these boards as a finalist on American Idol

its probably time to back away from the keyboard. The sun is shining people. No, these songs aren't 10/10. But for a band that caters at least a moderate amount to its hardcore fans, an 7/10 song 20 years out is a pretty stellar result.

Right on brah.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by v0taw

A member of these boards as a finalist on American Idol

What does that have to do with anything?

[DMBartenderWI]

Originally Posted by hmich176

What does that have to do with anything?

He stated it rather clearly. You'd think that collectively we'd be proud of any member of our little "community" being a finalist on a very popular nationally televised singing competition (regardless of whether you like the show or not), but instead he joins the list of "good things" that Ants find to bitch about.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by DMBartenderWI

He stated it rather clearly. You'd think that collectively we'd be proud of any member of our little "community" being a finalist on a very popular nationally televised singing competition (regardless of whether you like the show or not), but instead he joins the list of "good things" that Ants find to bitch about.

Just because he has posted on Ants doesn't mean I have to start liking his singing abilities.

[DMBartenderWI]

Originally Posted by hmich176

Just because he has posted on Ants doesn't mean I have to start liking his singing abilities.

And that's obviously not the argument being made, at all.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by DMBartenderWI

And that's obviously not the argument being made, at all.

I just don't see how anyone is being cynical if they're not a fan of PP.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

Mercy is some pretty dull shite.

Gaucho still has teh pohtenchulz.

every song doesn't have to be an all out jam session. i think it's a beautiful chill song and sometimes those are the best ones. if you don't like that ending part w/ the piano then you simply don't like good music.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by Antelope

Looks like the complaining hasn't stopped since I was last here. Mercy and Gaucho are what they are....brand new songs. They're good, but it'll take a summer on the road for them to reach potential. I like them both better upon first few listens than I did most of Big Whiskey and most of Big Whiskey have turned out to be great after aging.

Be patient my fellow Ants!

Are all the fans around here 18 and not capable of not liking good mature music? Not trying to knock the young fans here but some of the crap I hear when I come here makes me not want to come here.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Let's see...
Dave's 45 years old, owns a winery, is a little bit wealthy, supports many good causes with his philanthropy, is happy with his wife and kids, delves into politics a bit, & fronts one of the world's most popular bands.
Drawing from his current experiences, what would you have him write about, exactly?
If he's drawing inspiration from the above, which he clearly is, then the songs will reflect it-and they do. That should be no surprise, right?
If you want "young, angry & depressed" I believe there's a Nirvana Box Set available on Amazon, or a dose of Eddie Vedder's* angst might be just what your doctor ordered. (If not, perhaps a Lithium prescription is in your cards-)
Dave's not in 1990's space, (perhaps because it's, um, 2012) so it's highly unlikely you're gonna' get much in the way of "introverted, angst-driven" ballads or screamers.
(You might get "Space Between">"I Love My Second House in Vienna" or
"Damn, I Love My Porsche">"Two Step" if you don't watch out!)
These new songs are really good, & I think "Mercy" will be a classic before its all said and done.
Personally I can't wait to see what they preview next!


~ToL~




*I love Pearl Jam, Eddie-angst and all... Not to mention their epic 3+ hour shows... One of the best all-around rock bands ever, imo...

.....someone please sticky this post.

[matthewdaves187]

I love both songs, really great listening there.

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by crawfish

every song doesn't have to be an all out jam session. i think it's a beautiful chill song and sometimes those are the best ones.

It's true that not every song has to be an all-out jam and that chill songs are awesome. Both have to be interesting, however, tests that Mercy fails to pass.

Dave is a serviceable piano player, but not a particularly interesting one. If he wants to take a solo, it should be on the guitar since he's actually good at that.

In terms of pieces Dave plays on the piano, I prefer Out of My Hands. He embraces his limitations on that song.

Originally Posted by crawfish

Are all the fans around here 18 and not capable of not liking good mature music?

I'm 30, but my age doesn't change the fact that Mercy is pretty dull.

[DMBvol41]

Originally Posted by crawfish

every song doesn't have to be an all out jam session. i think it's a beautiful chill song and sometimes those are the best ones. if you don't like that ending part w/ the piano then you simply don't like good music.

The last 3 minutes of Mercy are absolutely outstanding musically.

It's pretty common on these boards that people don't like slow stuff. Even if it's outstanding musically.

I can't wait to hear studio Mercy

[kitkatcarter]

I do believe some of the Mercy supporters actually like the song, but for the most part I think people are just ballwashing because they're afraid to not like a new DMB song. Most people will come down to earth and realize Mercy is an average song (not bad, not great) when it's played this entire tour and nothing changes.

[Quadrophenia92]

Mercy is definitely one way to pull a slow and quiet song off

[Utopia]

Originally Posted by kitkatcarter

I do believe some of the Mercy supporters actually like the song, but for the most part I think people are just ballwashing because they're afraid to not like a new DMB song. Most people will come down to earth and realize Mercy is an average song (not bad, not great) when it's played this entire tour and nothing changes.

Eh, I disagree. People had not problem tearing apart Stand Up and BW when certain songs came out. Not ballwashing, my friend. The song is actually pretty great.

[kitkatcarter]

Originally Posted by Utopia

Eh, I disagree. People had not problem tearing apart Stand Up and BW when certain songs came out. Not ballwashing, my friend. The song is actually pretty great.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't people expecting amazing stuff coming from Stand Up, what with all the clips of songs and footage from the sessions? All I'm saying is, I realize the song has a lot of people liking it, but maybe that's just because it's new. Idk, just my opinion.

[Trippin4136]

Originally Posted by Quadrophenia92

Mercy is definitely one way to pull a slow and quiet song off

You know what was a better way to pull off a slow song?


Trouble.


But, oh no, that wasn't good enough for the band.

It's no accident they are playing more and more Some Devil songs.

They're all better than anything on the last two-plus albums worth of songs.

[Quadrophenia92]

Originally Posted by Trippin4136

You know what was a better way to pull off a slow song?


Trouble.


But, oh no, that wasn't good enough for the band.

It's no accident they are playing more and more Some Devil songs.

They're all better than anything on the last two-plus albums worth of songs.

Some Devil was a great piece of work no doubt, and it's good that they broke out Save Me (one of my favorites from Dave post 2000)

[AlexK79]

I made this same post in the poll thread, but I'm going to repeat here...I honestly do not understand the hate the Gaucho is getting. When I listened to it for the first time, I put on my nice headphones and was greeted with the return of the DMB sound that I truly love. Seriously, this song has so many of all the elements that fans have been bitching about wanting more of for years:

*More organic, live sounding production
*Song is based around a Dave acoustic riff
*Tim is adding fills and flourishes rather than overpowering the rest of the band
*Fantastic horn work including a great, melodic, Roi-like solo from Jeff (when he and Carter come crashing in over the 'kids' at 3:15)
*Carter being Carter

And yet all the focus seems to be on nothing but the chorus. OMGzz it's repetitive and Dave sings about 'change' so it must be political and about teh Obama! Worst song ever!

I can't wait to see this song develop live, because it really has a lot of places that could expand into nice jams. And I am more excited now than ever for the new album...I feel like Steve Lillywhite brought this band back.

[crashintonickdm]

gaucho has sounded good so far on tape, i feel.

[coldblueice]

LOL.... you kids.

stop in here from time to time. looks like www.antsmarching.org is still THE place to go if you want to hate on the Dave Matthews Band.

some would call that irony.

i call it sad.

Mercy is beautiful and Gaucho is great music.

peace

[coldblueice]

P.S. - i still remember the release of BTCS had people saying how much DMB has changed and their new sound sux.

so for everyone hating Gaucho and Mercy, don't let your ass hit you on the way out.

[kitkatcarter]

That's right, if you don't like the new songs, you're clearly wrong and shouldn't be allowed to live!

[Trippin4136]

Originally Posted by AlexK79

And yet all the focus seems to be on nothing but the chorus. OMGzz it's repetitive and Dave sings about 'change' so it must be political and about teh Obama! Worst song ever!

It has nothing to do with politics for me. I just think the lyrics, and especially the chorus, are flat out bad.

The music is better than recent efforts, I'll give them that.

Mercy just fades into the walls for me. I don't think it's necessarily a bad song, it's just very bland to my ears.