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Old 11-25-2014, 06:47 PM   #31
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Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

I just don't understand how a unique opener for each show makes the tour better. All that means is everyone will know exactly what isn't going to open. It would really be cool if they mixed in more openers or tried random songs in th st placement. But it would suck to know that a cool and rare opener like two step or ants wasn't going to happen because it opened 2 months prior and 3000 miles away.
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    I just don't understand how a unique opener for each show makes the tour better. All that means is everyone will know exactly what isn't going to open. It would really be cool if they mixed in more openers or tried random songs in th st placement. But it would suck to know that a cool and rare opener like two step or ants wasn't going to happen because it opened 2 months prior and 3000 miles away.
    Excellent point, and totally agree
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    Old 11-26-2014, 05:11 AM   #33
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

    Stolen Away, Minarets, and Good Good Time were pretty unpredictable this past summer.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 05:49 AM   #34
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

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    Stolen Away, Minarets, and Good Good Time were pretty unpredictable this past summer.
    Rhyme & Reason as well Id say
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    Old 11-26-2014, 07:38 AM   #35
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    Phish has a large following but is in no way mainstream...far from it
    I could argue that Springsteen, Pearl Jam and DMB aren't mainstream either. Popular? Definitely. Mainstream? Not really. The popularity rankings probably goes Bruce, Pearl Jam, DMB then Phish. But the only time those bands get talked about is usually when an album drops. Or when Bruce goes on tour. Do all of those bands mix up their sets every night? Absolutely.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 09:16 AM   #36
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    I could argue that Springsteen, Pearl Jam and DMB aren't mainstream either.
    That would be a terrible argument.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 09:25 AM   #37
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    Stolen Away, Minarets, and Good Good Time were pretty unpredictable this past summer.

    Their positions in sets weren't. GGT was only played once acoustic and otherwise mostly E1 in electric sets. Minarets mostly was an opener all tour. Stolen Away was mostly in the middle/beginning of the acoustic set.

    But yes, song choice-wise, they were unpredictable.

    I realize the quality of the song being played is more important than its location in a set. But, if a song is going to be played a lot on a tour, switch up where it's played night to night at least to keep things interesting for everyone involved.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 09:56 AM   #38
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    That would be a terrible argument.
    So you don't think anything I said above is valid?
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:06 AM   #39
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

    When the band takes a song and plays it at almost every show, people complain.
    When the band takes the same song and plays it only once or twice the whole tour, people also complain.

    So what is it then? What is the acceptable percentage of shows for a single song to be performed?

    I know that is not the full depth of this thread, just something I've noticed that is really worth mentioning. Please note, I am also one who has probably complained about both of the above.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:11 AM   #40
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

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    So you don't think anything I said above is valid?
    No, Nothing is valid.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:26 AM   #41
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    So you don't think anything I said above is valid?
    Pearl Jam, DMB, and Bruce whenever they drop an album goes straight to #1...that makes them as mainstream as any band in the world today....Phish is a touring band with a following...not even close to mainstream..maybe they are relevant to this discussion about changing sets, but they are irrelevant in terms of mainstream music.

    The mainstream bands that change sets night to night are as I mentioned..Springsteen, PJ, and DMB
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:32 AM   #42
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    No, Nothing is valid.
    Thank you for furthering the conversation.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:44 AM   #43
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

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    When the band takes a song and plays it at almost every show, people complain.
    When the band takes the same song and plays it only once or twice the whole tour, people also complain.

    So what is it then? What is the acceptable percentage of shows for a single song to be performed?


    I know that is not the full depth of this thread, just something I've noticed that is really worth mentioning. Please note, I am also one who has probably complained about both of the above.
    I don't think there's a real answer here. The main thing is the quality of song. No one really complains about Ants, DDTW, WWYS, Two Step being played often every tour. Now If Only and Belly Belly Nice on the other hand get similar amount of plays but get complained about.

    After Mercy was overplayed in 2012-2013 no one was complaining after this tour that Mercy (5 plays) wasn't played enough. Again, quality of song is the key so its really a case by case argument.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:47 AM   #44
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

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    Most bands do that...even large acts

    The only mainstream bands who change it up nightly on a regular basis are Pearl Jam, Bruce Springsteen, and DMB...
    This is the #1 thing Ants seem to forget when debating DMB setlist variety. I go to see a lot of concerts for a lot of different bands/types of music. DMB is the only act I would ever bother seeing more than once per tour (or year, even).

    Yes, the sets could be better. Yes, they could be more unpredictable. But in reality, DMB is about as unpredictable as mainstream bands get. Even small-time bands hardly shake it up on a nightly basis. I saw a few small alternative/punk bands this month, and they play the same 6-8 songs every night, in the same order, without fail. I enjoyed the show, but that's the reality of most live music.

    DMB has spoiled us. Here's a little devil's advocate:

    What if DMB played a static setlist unchanged throughout a tour, BUT the songs were all great?

    Would that still bother you? Knowing that you definitely would hear songs like Two Step, Last Stop, Ants, DIDO, #41, SUAD, etc because they were in the static setlist for the tour. But that also meant you had ZERO chance of getting Captain, JTR, or even Satellite because at the top of the tour, Dave decided those weren't going to be played that year. At all.
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    Old 11-26-2014, 12:50 PM   #45
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    No, Nothing is valid.
    However, is 'Nothing' not at the same time 'Something'? Being the 'lack of something', surely is it therefore an entity in itself?
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    Old 11-26-2014, 10:47 PM   #46
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

    Do not care about predictability.
    Just want to hear the good DMB songs all the time.
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    Old 11-27-2014, 10:17 AM   #47
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    Re: Why can't sets be more unpredictable?

    What if DMB played a static setlist unchanged throughout a tour, BUT the songs were all great?

    This would lead to almost no one going to more than one show. That means all 3 night stands would be the same. This would destroy ticket sales.

    I think the problem with DMB for us is that we see all the potential in set lists and jams, almost none of it is happening and we're getting frustrated. We will obviously go to shows, dance our asses off, and proclaim loud our love for this band, but it frustrating ya know?
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