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Old 04-16-2014, 01:08 PM   #2881
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But the show has nothing to do with blacks and their struggle. If it were a period piece that focused on many different aspects of that era, then yes of course the civil rights movement should be focused on more heavily. But it's not, it's a character piece that happens to be set in the 60's, and our main characters are ad executives. Spending time focusing on black characters when they have nothing at all to do with the actual storyline -- for the sake of showing the 'struggle' -- is cheap in my mind and would irritate me if I were black. Let's not spend time focusing on characters that are irrelevant to the life of Don, Peggy etc for the sake of bringing attention to the injustices of the world when the show's message has nothing to do with fighting injustice or intolerance.

I hope I don't sound like a racist And i'm not saying Mad Men has done anything like that, in fact they don't focus on unimportant characters at all and that is one more reason that it's one of the best shows of all time. The criticism of the show for its lack of focus on minorities is my problem. It has nothing to do with the characters because none of them are activists so why would we have a well-developed black character?

The women thing is an interesting point but facts are facts -- women's rights had blossomed already in that point in history bringing women into the workplace and getting them positions of substance. That just wasn't true for blacks in that era and the show reflects that with their absence.
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    I have nothing against the show's "lack of" race struggles. They've touched on it at times, but more than that would really seem forced.
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    Old 04-16-2014, 05:07 PM   #2883
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    BREAKING: Man from Commonwealth of Kentucky thinks "We shouldn't see any black characters,"
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    Old 04-16-2014, 08:16 PM   #2884
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    Wasn't the opening scene in S1E1 Don seeking inspiration from a black man? That scene should fill the quota for the series.
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    Old 04-16-2014, 08:34 PM   #2885
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    BREAKING: Man from Commonwealth of Kentucky thinks "We shouldn't see any black characters,"
    No, a show about rich ad execs in new york in the 60's should be chock full of african americans playing meaningful roles that are respected and treated fairly by the rest of the characters, as history supports was the case.
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    Old 04-17-2014, 06:48 AM   #2886
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    Roger and Don's reaction to the "toting that barge" line on the gift basket that arrives....
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    Old 04-17-2014, 07:01 AM   #2887
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    Old 04-17-2014, 07:25 AM   #2888
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    No, a show about rich ad execs in new york in the 60's should be chock full of african americans playing meaningful roles that are respected and treated fairly by the rest of the characters, as history supports was the case.
    Nobody saying this, whygohome rattled by the idea of blacks on his teevee
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    Old 04-17-2014, 07:26 AM   #2889
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    Old 04-17-2014, 08:30 AM   #2890
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    Nobody saying this, whygohome rattled by the idea of blacks on his teevee
    Oh ok you don't have anything to add but trolling, that's cool

    But just so you know "rattled" hasn't been funny since 2011 but whatever you say guy!
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    Re: Mad Men

    catching up, in the beginning of season 6

    hated megan last season, now i feel bad for her
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    Old 04-18-2014, 06:52 PM   #2893
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    I never disliked Megan, just never really found her that interesting. Almost wish Don had randomly married a previous paramour like Rachel.
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    I never disliked Megan, just never really found her that interesting. Almost wish Don had randomly married a previous paramour like Rachel.
    yeah, hate is a strong word, i take that back

    holy shit tho, on the 4th episode... idk what surprised me more, MLK dying or seeing ethan from LOST guest star

    "i don't even want to talk. i was trying to communicate without words but it wasn't working"
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    Old 04-19-2014, 03:54 PM   #2895
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    Don: With you, or without you, I'm moving on. And I don't know if I can do it alone. Will you help me?

    Peggy: What if I say no? You'll never speak to me again.

    Don: Nope. I'll will spend the rest of my life trying to hire you.
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    Oh ok you don't have anything to add but trolling, that's cool

    But just so you know "rattled" hasn't been funny since 2011 but whatever you say guy!
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    Old 04-20-2014, 12:46 AM   #2897
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    I really hope that Neve is going to appear again. I was creepily obsessed with her in high school. Nice to see her face again. *heart rate rises*
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    Old 04-20-2014, 08:04 PM   #2898
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    at Roger hanging up on Pete
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    Sally: "I'm so many people."
    Don: Been there.

    It was a little too on the nose like some of Sally's best lines, but it worked.

    Loved the Don and Sally story. Don was more honest and vulnerable with Sally tonight than he's being with even his own wife. And she loved him for it.
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    Sally has a good bullshit detector, which is why she hates her mom so much.
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    Kiernan Shipka's gotten better with each season, and god damn was she good in this last episode. The scenes with her and Don were awesome. Also Jon Hamm needs an Emmy.

    It seems like Don will eventually find his way back to SC&P. That could be a trap, setting him back in his old ways and mistakes. He seems to be finding happiness with family, and he's made two positive decisions in the past two episodes. I think anyone hoping for a happy ending with Don should want him to keep his word with what he told Roger in season 1, that if he leaves it wouldn't be for more advertising.

    Cool themes about being wanted or sought after as well as communication issues. Funny to see Dawn at the forefront of this episode after recent discussions in this thread too
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    Old 04-21-2014, 06:38 AM   #2902
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    Last line was almost funny with how off guard it caught Don.
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    Great episode last night.
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    whygohome stomping around foaming at the mouth irl right now after last night's *gulp* black people storylines!
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    Did anyone else think it was weird that Bert was racist out of nowhere? I understood his point, but has he ever said anything like that in the show before?
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    Did anyone else think it was weird that Bert was racist out of nowhere? I understood his point, but has he ever said anything like that in the show before?
    I think/hope he's worried more about the perception of the clients. Since he's such a huge Asiaphile, I never got the impression he has a problem with races and cultures other than his own.

    I think/hope it's coming from concern about the business more than about race. That doesn't make it right either, but I think/hope that's what's behind it.
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    Right, that's why I was confused. I guess it was just in phrasing, cause it's a legitimate concern, but Bert in particular has always seemed pretty nonchalant about race, plus the Asian stuff.

    I like how Dawn was explaining Lou's preferences to the new girl, then gave up because 1) she's clearly really dumb and 2) Dawn realized she (Dawn) didn't care.
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    just finished the ep... so was Don just pulling Sally's leg about ditching on the meal? From his smirk I initially thought so, but then it looked like he only put a single dollar bill down on the table.

    and not sure I get the whole deal with Dawn and Shirley calling each others names. Unless it's supposed to be like their own little inside joke about office racism, if they're the only 2 black girls there, maybe some people assume their names are interchangeable or something.
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    Old 04-21-2014, 03:38 PM   #2910
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    Oh wow, good catch. I had no clue why they did that but that sort of makes sense as an explanation.

    And yea, he was kidding. Don may not be working, but he's still mega-rich.
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