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Old 02-02-2010, 11:42 AM   #241
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The fact is it does matter to people on this board. If DMB had won a grammy for album of the year you don't think people would be going ape shit over it right now? I doubt there would be too many people on here then proclaiming that the grammy's don't mean anything. Fact - Grammy's don't matter until you (or your favorite band) wins one.
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    Speak for yourself.
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    What does that even mean? I will take that as a submission to my point.
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    Thus proving you are dumb.
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    This this has turned from dumb to just plain 'tarded.
    Cant spell dumb without dmb.
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    Old 02-02-2010, 12:09 PM   #246
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    Good point. Now I know why you have 32 thousand posts.
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    What does that even mean? I will take that as a submission to my point.
    , did you make Beefy tap out?

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    Old 02-02-2010, 12:11 PM   #248
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    Hell yea I made him tap out. He is gonna be afraid of any ring I am in now
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    Hell yea I made him tap out. He is gonna be afraid of any ring I am in now
    The only ring I'm afraid of is a wedding ring. Too bad I wear one.

    edit: Maybe a cock ring too.
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    The grammys are for sure legitimate. If you were an artist you would be talking shit about the grammys until you were nominated for one and then you would show up in your thousand dollar suit just like everyone else does. Trust me the grammys may not "mean" anything until you are nominated but once that happens there is no way you wouldn't show up. Also grammys mean alot to the music business. You know how much easier it would be to get a job as a producer or an engineer if you had a grammy under your belt? Face the facts they may not mean much to you but the grammy's for sure are a damn big deal in the business.
    They mean a big deal *for* business and absolutely nothing else.

    They are meaningless if you are looking at them as recognition of great art. Because the overwhelming majority of time, they don't recognize what people passionate about music - and not sales and business - believe is great art.
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    The fact is it does matter to people on this board. If DMB had won a grammy for album of the year you don't think people would be going ape shit over it right now? I doubt there would be too many people on here then proclaiming that the grammy's don't mean anything. Fact - Grammy's don't matter until you (or your favorite band) wins one.
    That's actually a fantastic example of an opinion.
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    So what you are saying is that the recognition of winning a grammy means nothing outside of "Hey look at me I won a grammy." Bullshit, remember how much shit stefan was saying after they snubbed LeRoi? Looks like it didn't bother him that much after all. DMB would have loved to have won a grammy for AOTY and it goes far beyond their business. It has everything to do with being recognized by the industry you are a part of. Winning a grammy gets your name in some fashion into the history of music.
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    And for the record there have been some fantastic albums and artists that have won grammys.
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    So what you are saying is that the recognition of winning a grammy means nothing outside of "Hey look at me I won a grammy."
    It means you probably sold a lot of albums and are on tv a lot. It doesn't mean you are any good.

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    Bullshit, remember how much shit stefan was saying after they snubbed LeRoi? Looks like it didn't bother him that much after all. DMB would have loved to have won a grammy for AOTY and it goes far beyond their business. It has everything to do with being recognized by the industry you are a part of. Winning a grammy gets your name in some fashion into the history of music.
    For being popular? Yes. For being financially successful? Yes. For being good? Uh, no.
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    And for the record there have been some fantastic albums and artists that have won grammys.
    Some. But in terms of the main categories, many more who aren't fantastic.

    But I'm curious why you are so invested in this. Are you an "industry guy?"
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    I am studying Audio Engineering in Minneapolis right now. 5 weeks ago I would have been on the other side of the fence as far as the Grammy's go. However, call it fact or call it opinion, the Grammy's suck until you are asked to perform or the album that you worked your ass off for gets nominated in a category. It may very well be a popularity contest but when you are trying to represent yourself to the other artists in your industry winning a grammy or performing at the grammy's would be a huge honor I don't think anyone would turn down.
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    I am studying Audio Engineering in Minneapolis right now. 5 weeks ago I would have been on the other side of the fence as far as the Grammy's go. However, call it fact or call it opinion, the Grammy's suck until you are asked to perform or the album that you worked your ass off for gets nominated in a category. It may very well be a popularity contest but when you are trying to represent yourself to the other artists in your industry winning a grammy or performing at the grammy's would be a huge honor I don't think anyone would turn down.
    So we basically agree then. Winning a grammy is great for your popularity and status among your industry peers, but doesn't mean you don't suck and actually quite often means you are at best mediocre.
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    Haha yea we can agree on that. It always amazes me though how much shit people talk about music today (even the music that actually is shitty). I'm like, "damn man write one song better than Taylor Swift if you are going to be talking so much shit." My opinion is that most of the people on these boards couldn't even pull that off. The point in all of this was not to prove that the performers are legit or that the awards are given to the right records. In all honesty even DMB had no business in the category of AOTY this year. My point is only that on these boards people talk so much shit about the Grammy's saying that they mean nothing but on the flipside if DMB had won you know people would be using that as a positive thing. There would be few members of ants saying "It is no big deal DMB won a grammy." No, they would be saying shit like "It is about time" or something to that affect.
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    Haha yea we can agree on that. It always amazes me though how much shit people talk about music today (even the music that actually is shitty). I'm like, "damn man write one song better than Taylor Swift if you are going to be talking so much shit." My opinion is that most of the people on these boards couldn't even pull that off. The point in all of this was not to prove that the performers are legit or that the awards are given to the right records. In all honesty even DMB had no business in the category of AOTY this year. My point is only that on these boards people talk so much shit about the Grammy's saying that they mean nothing but on the flipside if DMB had won you know people would be using that as a positive thing. There would be few members of ants saying "It is no big deal DMB won a grammy." No, they would be saying shit like "It is about time" or something to that affect.
    That's beside the point though. That's like saying nobody should make fun of a bad QB unless they can throw a football 70 yards. Art and performance are perfectly open to criticism. This point would valid if significantly higher quality art (music) didn't exist. But it does and it is very easily found in this day and age.

    There are two problems. One, the general public is easily swayed. Not necessarily dumb (but that's very arguable in terms of music), but buy into mass media easily. The other problem is people in the industry buy into this as well. You have no idea how much shitty music I heard when I worked at Island Def Jam. It's an industry of yes men so when someone with remote authority likes something shitty, nobody tells them the truth half the time. The other half of the time the lower people like it too. It just perpetuates the problem.
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    That's beside the point though. That's like saying nobody should make fun of a bad QB unless they can throw a football 70 yards. Art and performance are perfectly open to criticism. This point would valid if significantly higher quality art (music) didn't exist. But it does and it is very easily found in this day and age.

    There are two problems. One, the general public is easily swayed. Not necessarily dumb (but that's very arguable in terms of music), but buy into mass media easily. The other problem is people in the industry buy into this as well. You have no idea how much shitty music I heard when I worked at Island Def Jam. It's an industry of yes men so when someone with remote authority likes something shitty, nobody tells them the truth half the time. The other half of the time the lower people like it too. It just perpetuates the problem.
    Agreed, I really hate the "let's see you do better" argument.
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    I am studying Audio Engineering in Minneapolis right now. 5 weeks ago I would have been on the other side of the fence as far as the Grammy's go. However, call it fact or call it opinion, the Grammy's suck until you are asked to perform or the album that you worked your ass off for gets nominated in a category. It may very well be a popularity contest but when you are trying to represent yourself to the other artists in your industry winning a grammy or performing at the grammy's would be a huge honor I don't think anyone would turn down.
    I guess you've never heard of Trent Reznor and a certain musical entity called Nine Inch Nails?

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    My point is only that on these boards people talk so much shit about the Grammy's saying that they mean nothing but on the flipside if DMB had won you know people would be using that as a positive thing. There would be few members of ants saying "It is no big deal DMB won a grammy." No, they would be saying shit like "It is about time" or something to that affect.
    They were probably saying that in 1996 when they did win a Grammy. Now most people know better, that the Grammy's are a meaningless circle jerk.
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    I guess you've never heard of Trent Reznor and a certain musical entity called Nine Inch Nails?
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    I was huge into NIN back in the day. I remember when they released "Broken" as basically a fuck-you to the music industry. They ended up getting a Grammy nod for it. I can't remember if they showed up though.
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    They were probably saying that in 1996 when they did win a Grammy. Now most people know that the Grammy's are a meaningless circle jerk.
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