Live Trax 36 - 07.26.15 - 3CD+2DVD (DMB skimps on Blu-ray again)

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by sheldonlevene

So music, ostensibly an art, is just about margins and cost.

They could probably make more money on selective in-store releases that they market a little bit harder.

They made 36 Live Trax because no matter how large, there is a demand for this band's live performances. I see very little justification for not releasing a blu ray in The Year of Our Lord 2015. No one is advocating they do so at the same price point. It's a more expensive medium. It comes down to laziness and the fact that they're not concerned with putting out the best quality product.

This is a good point. Just charge more. They made the effort to have more tshirts, a blanket, and even commissioned methane to do a foil variant of the poster to release along with this. Cut out the blanket and give us a blu ray

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by dontdrink36

The emboldened is absolutely true. DMB, and every other major band are businesses. Smaller bands are also businesses trying to make it as big as the other bands.

I'm not arguing it isn't a business. I'm arguing that ~10 year old technology is not cost prohibitive for one of the most financially successful bands of all time.

[RSSR]

I'm curious to know how these LTs actually sell. I don't ever remember seeing any data on it. For the in-store releases, sure, but never for LTs. Maybe they really don't move enough to justify BDs being offered.

[kelchlsm]

Cant believe people are saying theyd rather have N1. With songs like Rye Whiskey, Be Yourself, SpaceBread. Yuck. At least this release the acoustic set is spot on.

[LetYouDown22]

So......how bout that bonus disc?! Great selection from N1

[Cryfreedom09]

I have not listened to the tape, but does this seem like a really short two step? Can somebody shed some light on the arrangement please?

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by Cryfreedom09

I have not listened to the tape, but does this seem like a really short two step? Can somebody shed some light on the arrangement please?

It was supposed to be SMLAM. This release would be turd city if it turned out that way.

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Hilly

The Red Rocks Blu Ray was a huge flop. And that was a large-scale, retail release.

This is Live Trax 36.

There was a Red Rocks Blu-ray?

[daveindyman]

Originally Posted by Cryfreedom09

I have not listened to the tape, but does this seem like a really short two step? Can somebody shed some light on the arrangement please?

As I recall they play the song like normal, Tim solos and then after he is done, it goes directly into Halloween.

[NiCK Crush]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

There was a Red Rocks Blu-ray?

Nope....

[dmb217]

Originally Posted by Cryfreedom09

I have not listened to the tape, but does this seem like a really short two step? Can somebody shed some light on the arrangement please?

It is short for an "electric" Two Step. The full song was played up until the point right after Tim's solo and when it would normally go to Carter's solo.

Carter then flip over to the intro to Halloween and the band switches on a dime.

Check out the video and you can see Carter and Dave talking about how they're gonna do it for a good minute, since it was a switch from Shake Me.

The audio is not that good straight from a phone, but I made a personal copy and put the audio from the taper release under it instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWn0qhKK5oo

The only thing better than this being released was being there in the middle of the pit when it happened.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

There was a Red Rocks Blu-ray?

Originally Posted by NiCK Crush

Nope....

he was talking about the O.A.R. blu-ray release

[ToySoldier#34]

Looks good, lots of songs I don't have acoustic / new / any versions of

[Alexis17]

Originally Posted by drop2d

It's pretty simple really... you do both options. 1 DVD and another blu-ray that's slightly more expensive. Like every other entity does. Choices are good.

This doubles the number of packages and you have to guess how many to manufacture of each, all of which is done before pre-orders begin and no matter what you sit on stock. There will be all blu rays before there will be options.

[Hilly]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

There was a Red Rocks Blu-ray?

The original guy was talking about the OAR Blu Ray from Red Rocks.

It was a flop.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by Hilly

The original guy was talking about the OAR Blu Ray from Red Rocks.

It was a flop.

It flopped because its OAR and their biggest selling release ever was MSG in 2007. Look at their shows nowadays noone goes. Their popularity died in 2010... and they even did a Blu Ray for MSG!

[richvisser23]

Originally Posted by Hilly

The original guy was talking about the OAR Blu Ray from Red Rocks.

It was a flop.

Supply and Demand.

The supply of Blu-rays from DMB is low (1x Dave and Tim show), creating high demand. I believe that no matter the show, if a Blu-ray was released, there would be high demand.

[jrkarger]

Originally Posted by Hilly

The original guy was talking about the OAR Blu Ray from Red Rocks.

It was a flop.

Your posts are flops. Care to provide any hard numbers?

[ToySoldier#34]

I really wish D&T Radio City behind the scenes DVD was on youtube or at least parts of it

[DMB41GUY]

Originally Posted by TurboPGT

Hell no. Why on earth would I still want to be collecting physical media in 2015?

1080p digital downloads are great, and have been for years. No need for physical media. None whatosever.

And no, better audio on BluRay is not motivation enough to horde discs.

Everyone is super impressed that you know how to stream and download 1080p movies. If we want to get into the technical aspects, a film on Blu-ray has a better bit rate than your fancy HD digital downloads... and let's not even get started talking about UHD Blu-ray coming at the end of this year.

Ultimately though, why come on here to complain about them releasing tangible media? I think most of their fans still want tangible media. Ever heard of vinyl?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Hilly

The Red Rocks Blu Ray was a huge flop. And that was a large-scale, retail release.

This is Live Trax 36.

Citation please.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Hilly

Trust me, I'd love nothing more than for it to all be Blu-ray. But the moment you do that, you're cutting off half of your potential purchases.

I'm not sure what type of numbers you think Live Trax #36 is going to pull in, and there's still a sizable fanbase, but if you want video, cutting out half of your buyers means that it's better to go without video, financially.

Utterly illogical, how the fuck do you cut off anyone by ADDING A BLU-RAY OPTION?

[Hilly]

Originally Posted by jrkarger

Your posts are flops. Care to provide any hard numbers?

For OAR? No, I don't have the total numbers. I can tell you that the idea of them releasing a blu-ray again is not on their radar.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by TurboPGT

And no, better audio on BluRay is not motivation enough to horde discs.

Said one person, ever.

[Hilly]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Citation please.

Citation for what?

That OAR's last Blu-ray was not a commercial success? Or that this is Live Trax 36?

[jrkarger]

Originally Posted by Hilly

For OAR? No, I don't have the total numbers. I can tell you that the idea of them releasing a blu-ray again is not on their radar.

Now that we've established that... How about some numbers for my other questions

[richvisser23]

Here let me post this again:

Supply and Demand.

The supply of Blu-rays from DMB is low (1x Dave and Tim show), creating high demand. I believe that no matter the show, if a Blu-ray was released, there would be high demand.

It is really quite simple.

[Hilly]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Utterly illogical, how the fuck do you cut off anyone by ADDING A BLU-RAY OPTION?

I get that everyone wants all live trax to have a Vinyl, CD, Digital (in 4-5 different formats), cassettes (they're coming back!), DVD, Blu-ray, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Itunes, but the amount of sales that this thing is going to generate does allow for that kind of flexibility. So you go with what you can sell the most of at a reasonable price. In this case, that's the DVD.

I agree, it'd be lovely to say, "Well just add an OPTION for Blu, and people that want that can buy it, and others can by the DVD, and others can stream it on Hulu." It'd be amazing. I'd love it.

But there's not the sales numbers to justify multiple formats.

[ToySoldier#34]

For the person that said the market for people buying Live Trax 36 will be "sizable", I'm not sure how many non-ant DMB superfans in every day life there are that have any idea what Live Trax is

[DMB41GUY]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

I'm curious about this too.

If I had to guess I would say pennies more per disc, but that could be way off

The cost difference is honestly quite minimal from a replication/pressing standpoint. It is a bit more expensive to get the HD masters done properly, but seriously... not THAT big of a difference, and we're talking a one time expense.

I do happen to know what I'm talking about on this one... I've worked in post-production in Burbank for about 12 years now.