*Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

[kydmb99]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I would never blame anyone but the Nazis for what happened this weekend. I don't hold it against anyone for counter-protesting. They are standing for what they believe in, which I do find to be admirable. I certainly understand why they feel a need to be there, we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate.

All I am saying, is that from a 100% tactical perspective, if these 1,500 idiots had shown up for their rally and there was just literally nobody there. No news vans. No counter-protesters. People staying off the street and not paying attention to them. Not taking videos with their phones. No reaction whatsoever.

Don't they leave after a few hours pretty disappointed? Don't less of them bother to travel for the next big gathering?

I don't know if that is true or not. But I think it could be.

This is a very difficult concept for some

[Useliteski]

Originally Posted by jamband1

Them having that right is essential to the idea of America. We have laws against discrimination, we have laws against hate crimes, we have laws against violence, destruction of property, etc. But luckily, we do NOT YET have laws against what you're allowed to think or believe in. What you are advocating in your last few posts is essentially the formation of the thought police. And I promise you that's not a road we want to go down.

I really hope we can all take a step back before we start making legal lists of certain belief systems that are "unacceptable" in America, because that's a slippery slope. In the America that I know and love, you can believe and think whatever you like, it's when you DO something illegal that it becomes a problem. A protest with proper permits should always be allowed, nay encouraged.

this is why mayors/governors/state reps etc... need to do all they can to stop these people from being granted permits in the first place. with no place to openly hate, these people will go back to the internet where they can't harm anyone.

with that being said, thank you to all the democratic and republican leaders from both states i call home for condemning hate groups

[dmbetc]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

Why would it be her fault? She got ran over by a nazi driving a car. Very dumb question.

Just making sure, because applying some people's logic in here it would be her fault.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Boyd actually said it well, its telling those fucks they arent welcome. We shouldnt just allow Nazi's and racist groups to parade around streets in our country and convince ourselves thats okay and normal just because the constitution says they have a right to assemble. They have that right, but the rest have that right to tell them to STFU and GTFO.

95% of those in the rally werent from CVille, they were invading a peaceful college town, so the residents made it clear they werent welcomed there, as they should.

Allowing Nazis to gather and march is normalizing it, and that is something we should never allow to happen here.

Insane to me I even need to explain that.

Right, so counter-protesting them will definitely qualm their agenda and plans.

Look, I wouldnt shed a tear if these racist fucks were eradicated somehow forever, but they feed off the hate. Theyre being given a voice. And it only makes them stronger.

[Ascf33]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I would never blame anyone but the Nazis for what happened this weekend. I don't hold it against anyone for counter-protesting. They are standing for what they believe in, which I do find to be admirable. I certainly understand why they feel a need to be there, we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate.

All I am saying, is that from a 100% tactical perspective, if these 1,500 idiots had shown up for their rally and there was just literally nobody there. No news vans. No counter-protesters. People staying off the street and not paying attention to them. Not taking videos with their phones. No reaction whatsoever.

Don't they leave after a few hours pretty disappointed? Don't less of them bother to travel for the next big gathering?

I don't know if that is true or not. But I think it could be.

Originally Posted by kydmb99

This is a very difficult concept for some

"I certainly understand why they feel a need to be there, we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate."

This line makes everything that follows moot. Yeah, maybe its true. but it doesn't matter because "we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate."

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by dmbetc

Just making sure, because applying some people's logic in here it would be her fault.

I honestly don't see how anyone could put 100% of the blame on her.

[salrx95]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I would never blame anyone but the Nazis for what happened this weekend. I don't hold it against anyone for counter-protesting. They are standing for what they believe in, which I do find to be admirable. I certainly understand why they feel a need to be there, we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate.

All I am saying, is that from a 100% tactical perspective, if these 1,500 idiots had shown up for their rally and there was just literally nobody there. No news vans. No counter-protesters. People staying off the street and not paying attention to them. Not taking videos with their phones. No reaction whatsoever.

Don't they leave after a few hours pretty disappointed? Don't less of them bother to travel for the next big gathering?

I don't know if that is true or not. But I think it could be.

I think more of them show up for the next gathering. They would feel empowered by less resistance and grow in numbers.

They already feel empowered by their President. They would likely think they are "winning" and show up in a larger numbers.

[jssmith6]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

Dude, your guy is basically taking the side with Nazis. It's as unAmerican as it gets. Even if it's like 5% it's still too much. They're fucking Nazis. Did you skip history class? It's pretty much one of a handful of groups the entire planet is in agreement can go fuck itself and we can shit on it with no remorse.

I mean, shit man, I knew identity politics was bad but it's making you defend (however indirectly) Nazis. Get a grip.

I will reply more this evening. This is where liberals are quite frankly idiots. Did you not read that I DO NOT agree with there stance, so me defending? No. And Trump taking their side? again, did he come out and say that? no. He wasn't taking anyone's side, and can you think of anything that could be on his mind over the weekend while this was happening which delayed his response? Maybe North Korea!

To those who are ok with anti-protestors. What say you about those who are paid by the left to cause problems, to stir up the crowd? someone said it before, Soros does supply a lot of the crap. There were yet again people from out of town, asking where the park was, to get in the way.

[dmbetc]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I honestly don't see how anyone could put 100% of the blame on her.

So, part of the blame is on her?

[BTBaboon]

Why is there a need for a "yeah, but" when condemning Nazis?

Holy shit, this used to be a simple thing.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

"I certainly understand why they feel a need to be there, we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate."

This line makes everything that follows moot. Yeah, maybe its true. but it doesn't matter because "we all have a lot at stake in fighting against this kind of hate."

Or, it could be that there are multiple ways to fight it.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by Useliteski

this is why mayors/governors/state reps etc... need to do all they can to stop these people from being granted permits in the first place. with no place to openly hate, these people will go back to the internet where they can't harm anyone.

with that being said, thank you to all the democratic and republican leaders from both states i call home for condemning hate groups

Their permit was revoked.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

No that's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that counter protesting and giving these people wall to wall media coverage is the exact opposite of the tactics you should take if you're trying to minimalize them. These groups are in such a better position to grow and metastisize now than they were a week ago.

exactly...

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I honestly don't see how anyone could put 100% of the blame on her.

Here comes a page ripping you for this post ..

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by salrx95

I think more of them show up for the next gathering. They would feel empowered by less resistance and grow in numbers.

They already feel empowered by their President. They would likely think they are "winning" and show up in a larger numbers.

I could see it going this way too. I'm honestly not sure, just thought it's a debate worth having.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by salrx95

I think more of them show up for the next gathering. They would feel empowered by less resistance and grow in numbers.

They already feel empowered by their President. They would likely think they are "winning" and show up in a larger numbers.

This is a great point, and the key to all of this really.

We dont have a POTUS who will condemn them, so we have to do it ourselves.

[Rodey]

On a site note, it was pretty funny listening to my grandpa (someone who had to fight for Nazi Germany in WWII) rip into the ass clowns in Charlottesville.

[Useliteski]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Their permit was revoked.

yeah this is what i was touching on. with no LEGAL place to do this shit, they can't use the excuse that they were given permission to organize and meet somewhere. if they don't respect the law, they can deal with fines just like everyone else does.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by CrashDMB237

And as usual, you're not comprehending. This was a huge story long before the counter protests. It's as simple as that. No further explanation needed.

No, it really wasnt. It was known but was mostly a blip on the radar compared to other stories last week. I sit in on the daily editorial meetings here and it got very little talk.

[Climb2safety]

Nafta negotiations begin today.

Maybe Trump can actually get something positive done.

Unfortunately if he does we'll have to listen to him boast relentlessly about it.

[Ascf33]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

Or, it could be that there are multiple ways to fight it.

I think this is true. But saying and doing nothing, in my opinion, is not one of them.

EDIT:
and please don't misconstrue the opposite of doing nothing as "you need to show up to Virginia wearing a helmet and a club to counter Nazis". I think, quite simply, there are may ways to fight that are not on the polar ends. but we MUST fight.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by jssmith6

I will reply more this evening. This is where liberals are quite frankly idiots. Did you not read that I DO NOT agree with there stance, so me defending? No. And Trump taking their side? again, did he come out and say that? no. He wasn't taking anyone's side, and can you think of anything that could be on his mind over the weekend while this was happening which delayed his response? Maybe North Korea!

To those who are ok with anti-protestors. What say you about those who are paid by the left to cause problems, to stir up the crowd? someone said it before, Soros does supply a lot of the crap. There were yet again people from out of town, asking where the park was, to get in the way.

IF there are paid protesters, its horrible. But its laughable you think those are the only people there on the left.

But the bold is so wrong, at least 95% of the WP/Nazi protesters were from out of town themselves.

and ffs, this isnt a left vs right issue, its a nazi vs everyone issue.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

and ffs, this isnt a left vs right issue, its a nazi vs everyone issue.

A lot of people miss this part

[Noles20]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

Nazis are bad. Nazis who kill people are even worse. Think we all got that.

Some of them are very fine people.

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by Noles20

Some of them are very fine people.

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

and ffs, this isnt a left vs right issue, its a nazi vs everyone issue.

And this is why the president is dead wrong about not using stronger language.

There are not two sides or many sides. There are people who believe in genocide and everyone else.

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by jssmith6

I will reply more this evening. This is where liberals are quite frankly idiots. Did you not read that I DO NOT agree with there stance, so me defending? No. And Trump taking their side? again, did he come out and say that? no. He wasn't taking anyone's side, and can you think of anything that could be on his mind over the weekend while this was happening which delayed his response? Maybe North Korea!

To those who are ok with anti-protestors. What say you about those who are paid by the left to cause problems, to stir up the crowd? someone said it before, Soros does supply a lot of the crap. There were yet again people from out of town, asking where the park was, to get in the way.

Christ. The point is WHO THE FUCK CARES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH NAZIS.

The whole world has been in agreement these fucks have no place in society for decades.

Trump (and you) playing the "but the other guys!" with fucking Nazis is the worst take on anything.

Would you feel this way if ISIS held a protest? Fuck man, it's Nazis

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

A lot of people miss this part

Like werent we at a point in society where we all agreed Nazi's are abhorrent and shouldnt be given the light of day?

And yet we have some yelling about that people should just ignore them, that is not reality, never was and never will be with this kind of stuff.

[Ascf33]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

and ffs, this isnt a left vs right issue, its a nazi vs everyone issue.

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

A lot of people miss this part

[coldengrey12]

Also this: A terrorist kills a woman and injures 19 others in a Nazi terrorist attack and we are having a national debate about permits. What the fuck?